GUILTY Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 *Arrest* #19

[Scooby-Doo]

Mushroom triple murderer prepares to face her victims​

Patterson will face the Supreme Court in Melbourne for a pre-sentence hearing, where sole surviving victim Ian Wilkinson and family of her murder victims are expected to give statements.

The Pattersons and Wilkinsons, who attended much of the trial, have not been seen in court since before the jury returned verdicts on July 7.

Their victim impact statements will either be read out by them, or a prosecutor, at Monday's plea hearin

Prosecutors will argue how long Patterson should be jailed for over the murders and attempted murder and her defence team will explain any factors that should mitigate the length of her sentence.

Jurors were not told the reason he did not attend, with that information revealed weeks later after a suppression order was lifted.

Justice Christopher Beale allowed pre-trial evidence to be released for the first time.

Simon allegedly believed Patterson had been trying to kill him by poisoning meals since 2021, during or before camping trips the pair took together.

He claimed Patterson poisoned him with a penne, chicken curry and a wrap she had prepared, but she denied this and the allegations were never tested at trial.

She was charged with three counts of attempted murder, but they were dropped at the start of her trial after Justice Beale ruled they should be heard separately.

Other evidence ruled out of trial included an allegedly fake cat post to a poisoning help page, an appendix from a Criminal Poisonings book allegedly found on a tablet and an additional trip to the tip on the day of the lunch.

Patterson will be brought in person from prison to the plea hearing, which is expected to span two days.

She faces life in prison and a date for her sentence could be set at the hearing.

Erin Patterson's only surviving victim forgives her, asks for confession

www.9news.com.au

 

[SouthAussie]

Latest ABC article

Erin Patterson to appear for first time since guilty murder verdict

Victims of Erin Patterson and their loved ones will face the triple-murderer in Victoria's Supreme Court today, as they give statements to the court ahead of her sentencing.

www.abc.net.au

A couple of things from your linked article ...



While victims are given some latitude in expressing how a crime has affected them, there are things that are not allowed to be included in a victim impact statement.

Victims will be told not to give their opinion as to what sentence Patterson should receive, or make comments about her personality or chance for reform.

They are also forbidden from referencing other crimes an offender may have committed or been accused of in the past.

Breaching these instructions means that part or all of a victim's impact statement could be considered inadmissible by the court.

 

[SouthAussie]

"Now, a former inmate who shared the unit with Patterson has come forward, revealing to news.com.au that the high-profile prisoner earned a reputation for being unpleasant, manipulative and antisocial.

“She is just a real rude ,” the former inmate said bluntly.

“When she first moved to the Murray Unit (protection), girls would say hello to her and she would just ignore them.
“Any interactions she has with people, she tries to manipulate them and make them feel like ,” she added.

The former inmate, who was released in March this year, claimed Patterson was convinced she wouldn’t be convicted.
“She didn’t ever deny (her crimes) but said they couldn’t prove it,” she said.

“Her cell was a pig sty. She was very serious, never smiled, only made fun of people, was narcissistic and hardly slept,” the former inmate said."

‘Rude b....’: Inmate calls Patterson out for prison antics

A former cellmate of Erin Patterson, has painted a grim picture of the triple murderer’s life inside a maximum security women’s prison.

thenightly.com.au

 

[drsleuth]

‘Rude b....’: Inmate calls Patterson out for prison antics

A former cellmate of Erin Patterson, has painted a grim picture of the triple murderer’s life inside a maximum security women’s prison.

thenightly.com.au

Now, a former inmate who shared the unit with Patterson has come forward, revealing to news.com.au that the high-profile prisoner earned a reputation for being unpleasant, manipulative and antisocial.
“She is just a real rude ,” the former inmate said bluntly.
“When she first moved to the Murray Unit (protection), girls would say hello to her and she would just ignore them.
“Any interactions she has with people, she tries to manipulate them and make them feel like ,” she added.
The former inmate, who was released in March this year, claimed Patterson was convinced she wouldn’t be convicted.
“She didn’t ever deny (her crimes) but said they couldn’t prove it,” she said. “She’s not going to cope doing 30 years. No way, absolutely not.”
Describing Patterson’s demeanour in custody, the woman said she spent her time obsessively crocheting and regularly clashed with another inmate “who was getting more attention”.
“Her cell was a pig sty. She was very serious, never smiled, only made fun of people, was narcissistic and hardly slept,” the former inmate said.

 

[iamshadow21]

"Now, a former inmate who shared the unit with Patterson has come forward, revealing to news.com.au that the high-profile prisoner earned a reputation for being unpleasant, manipulative and antisocial.

“She is just a real rude ,” the former inmate said bluntly.

“When she first moved to the Murray Unit (protection), girls would say hello to her and she would just ignore them.
“Any interactions she has with people, she tries to manipulate them and make them feel like ,” she added.

The former inmate, who was released in March this year, claimed Patterson was convinced she wouldn’t be convicted.
“She didn’t ever deny (her crimes) but said they couldn’t prove it,” she said.

“Her cell was a pig sty. She was very serious, never smiled, only made fun of people, was narcissistic and hardly slept,” the former inmate said."

‘Rude b....’: Inmate calls Patterson out for prison antics

A former cellmate of Erin Patterson, has painted a grim picture of the triple murderer’s life inside a maximum security women’s prison.

thenightly.com.au

Start as you mean to go on, Erin.

Enjoy your life sentences. Alone.

MOO

 

[Monstradamus]

A couple of things from your linked article ...



While victims are given some latitude in expressing how a crime has affected them, there are things that are not allowed to be included in a victim impact statement.

Victims will be told not to give their opinion as to what sentence Patterson should receive, or make comments about her personality or chance for reform.

They are also forbidden from referencing other crimes an offender may have committed or been accused of in the past.

Breaching these instructions means that part or all of a victim's impact statement could be considered inadmissible by the court.

So, no name calling then. That's disappointing

 

[iamshadow21]

So, no name calling then. That's disappointing

That's what media interviews and tell-all books are for.

The victim impact statement has a specific purpose in law, and like everything in a courtroom, it has to stick within the bounds of legality.

I understand that most people's exposure to courtroom etiquette is American, because we don't generally televise our courts. I appreciate the window into the American system, but I have a deep respect for how we do things here. It's less 'flashy', but it has a solemnity and gravity the law should have. It's a serious thing. You're enacting judgement for a terrible transgression, the punishment for which may be depriving someone of their liberty. And to reach that point, someone had to be harmed grievously at the hands of that person.

The specifications for the impact statements here are designed to keep them relevant to what the judge needs to hear to sentence accordingly. Everything else, while it may be cathartic for the individual, belongs in another forum.

MOO

 

[Deleted member 363451]

"Starting today, the Leongatha woman who murdered three of her in-laws with a lunch meal laced with death cap mushrooms will sit in the dock inside Court 4 at the Victorian Supreme Court surrounded by a packed gallery including family members of her victims and a huge media scrum.

For more than eight hours she will be forced to listen to victim impact statements either read out in person or by the prosecution.

Her own lawyers will have the opportunity to outline mitigating factors and personal circumstances they say should afford her some leniency.

But ultimately, Justice Christopher Beale will decide on a head sentence and a non-parole period for the convicted killer in the final chapter of a story that has captivated the public in Australia and abroad.

And at the end of it, one thing is certain. Patterson will return to her filthy cell at Melbourne’s only all-female maximum security prison."

https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/courts-law/former-cellmate-reveals-state-of-erin-pattersons-cell-comments-she-made-about-trial/news-story/8d5a812287db1b1256d132a688a599ff

 

[SouthAussie]

It seems that the media will be there this morning. The Australian is now "live" in its reporting.

imo

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/erin-patterson-to-face-families-of-mushroom-murder-victims-in-court-at-plea-hearing/live-coverage/4fb924bec8e49d59cb0cd198c6ba02d8?amp

 

[HoneyBunOne]

I agree, but, I read somewhere that there is no toilet room/cubicle/area directly inside that door. There is a long hall to the end where the separate M/F/Disabled rest rooms are. If this is true, she wouldn't have had time unless there was some sort of bin right inside that entrance door. IMO

Thanks for the additional info Detechtive, I was not aware of that. Not that I'm in the habit of remembering such details, but I can't recall there ever being a bin inside a corridor leading to toilets, they're always located inside the toilets themselves. I do agree that the time she spent behind that first door was not very long at all, but it obviously has great meaning. I wonder if the ladies/disabled toilet entrance was very near by that initial door, giving her time to dispose of something quickly. Perhaps she was banking on no cameras beyond that first door, and moved quickly once out of sight? Not that I can imagine her moving in any other way than her slow wander, but it could be possible.

 

[Megnut]

I think the most absurd lie is ovarian cancer in the elbow.
IMO it's also the most damaging lie as it's the thing that lured the family together

100% with the racism, let's just blame random 'Asians' for some vicious torturous murders.

Most convoluted lie: the dehydrator, before and after LE finding the instruction manual and her tip trip. No I never had one, never foraged anything, never preserved or dried out any foodstuffs ... oh yes, I did do all those things.

How did I forget that one? Should have topped the list of ridiculous lies. From a canceled dermatology appointment to metastatic ovarian cancer of the elbow. Or elbow cancer of the ovary. And I assure you, I'm not making light of it. SHE DID. SHE exacted sympathy she didn't deserve, lured good people to nearly certain death, and awful deaths at that.

She's a poser.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

Thanks for the additional info Detechtive, I was not aware of that. Not that I'm in the habit of remembering such details, but I can't recall there ever being a bin inside a corridor leading to toilets, they're always located inside the toilets themselves. I do agree that the time she spent behind that first door was not very long at all, but it obviously has great meaning. I wonder if the ladies/disabled toilet entrance was very near by that initial door, giving her time to dispose of something quickly. Perhaps she was banking on no cameras beyond that first door, and moved quickly once out of sight? Not that I can imagine her moving in any other way than her slow wander, but it could be possible.

Perhaps there was someone else in there. In the restroom or in the access hallway. Customer, employee who didn't exit during that clip. Maybe she wasn't able to do whatever it was she was planning.

Left with whatever she hoped to rid herself off and disposed of it elsewhere.

Such a fast turn around, it's hard to imagine she could accomplish much of anything.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

"Now, a former inmate who shared the unit with Patterson has come forward, revealing to news.com.au that the high-profile prisoner earned a reputation for being unpleasant, manipulative and antisocial.

“She is just a real rude ,” the former inmate said bluntly.

“When she first moved to the Murray Unit (protection), girls would say hello to her and she would just ignore them.
“Any interactions she has with people, she tries to manipulate them and make them feel like ,” she added.

The former inmate, who was released in March this year, claimed Patterson was convinced she wouldn’t be convicted.
“She didn’t ever deny (her crimes) but said they couldn’t prove it,” she said.

“Her cell was a pig sty. She was very serious, never smiled, only made fun of people, was narcissistic and hardly slept,” the former inmate said."

‘Rude b....’: Inmate calls Patterson out for prison antics

A former cellmate of Erin Patterson, has painted a grim picture of the triple murderer’s life inside a maximum security women’s prison.

thenightly.com.au

Apparently she hasn't found a use for her fellow inmates yet. No worries, she will.

She can't not start fights.

It's her nature.

JMO

 

[IBR]

Does this mean that Simon can’t mention her alleged previous attempts to murder him even now? This poor man!

„They are also forbidden from referencing other crimes an offender may have committed or been accused of in the past.“

Erin Patterson to appear for first time since guilty murder verdict

Victims of Erin Patterson and their loved ones will face the triple-murderer in Victoria's Supreme Court today, as they give statements to the court ahead of her sentencing.

www.abc.net.au

 

[SouthAussie]

Does this mean that Simon can’t mention her alleged previous attempts to murder him even now? This poor man!

„They are also forbidden from referencing other crimes an offender may have committed or been accused of in the past.“

Erin Patterson to appear for first time since guilty murder verdict

Victims of Erin Patterson and their loved ones will face the triple-murderer in Victoria's Supreme Court today, as they give statements to the court ahead of her sentencing.

www.abc.net.au

The judge already knows about her alleged previous attempts. While he cannot officially take that into consideration in this matter, he knows. As does the rest of the world, via the media.

imo

 

[drsleuth]

Erin Patterson to hear victim impact statements in court

Follow the latest news headlines from Australia's most trusted source. Read in-depth expert analysis and watch live coverage on ABC News.

www.abc.net.au

Audio in link

 

[Marg944]

Erin Patterson arrives at Court……

The ‘elaborate’ cover-up after the beef Wellington lunch and the single word that might have changed everything

September 8 is the date Erin Patterson will learn her fate – whether that be life in prison without the possibility of parole, as the prosecution has requested, or life with the possibility of the poisoner one day walking outside of jail once again.

www.theage.com.au

 

[drsleuth]

Thinking of all the victims of murderer Erin Patterson today.

Listen carefully Erin!!

 

[drsleuth]

Erin Patterson arrives at Court……

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The ‘elaborate’ cover-up after the beef Wellington lunch and the single word that might have changed everything

September 8 is the date Erin Patterson will learn her fate – whether that be life in prison without the possibility of parole, as the prosecution has requested, or life with the possibility of the poisoner one day walking outside of jail once again.

www.theage.com.au

Why is she not in prison clothing??

 

[IBR]

The judge already knows about her alleged previous attempts. While he cannot officially take that into consideration in this matter, he knows. As does the rest of the world, via the media.

imo

Yes, but I had hoped that Simon could mention all that happened to him. As a victim of the murder of hia relatives and the relatives of his kids as well as a victim of almost having been murdered himself.