Australia Australia - Pheobe Bishop, 17, failed to board a flight from Queensland, Bundaberg, 15 May 2025 *Arrests* #3

[Warshawski]

Thank you for your post. If I recall correctly you are ‘local’ to the area so I appreciate your area knowledge.

I also don’t think she was killed at the house, but I agree that the 5am commotion may have ‘involved’ her somehow

-Samuals Road is within close proximity to the airport and is a place of interest with a confirmed stop. This is not on the way and requires a detour from the direct route to the airport.

How long would it normally take to drive from the GinGin house to Bundaberg Airport ?
Where would they need to detour to get to Samuals Road - like how far into the drive ?
Might they go there if they needed to fuel up ?

An argument commenced in the morning at the house, most likely involving the roommates tardiness.

If we consider their ‘tardiness’ to mean they were still sleeping & she wanting them up and ready for drive to the airport, I doubt this would happen at 5am ( neighbour reported 5am commotion so that time seems correct). As others have stated, PB will have been all packed and ready, possibly struggled to sleep with excitement, which often means you fall asleep in early hours!
To be woken I’m wondering by a 5am argument between JW & NB.
She had apparently found out he was cheating / or online attempting to cheat - friends had told her he was cheating; he told an ex that he was no longer in relationship with NB.
Perhaps NB said she was taking the 5K
The car belonged to NB, maybe she didn’t want JW to go for the drive to airport .
(Maybe JW was worried she’d hop on plane to WA as well ! )

Eventually perhaps NB intervened and said STFU as we need to leave for the airport, and JW then turned. … she will have given him a mouthful I surmise as her Mum & Aunt both indicated she didn’t back down.

This most likely cause a commotion which the neighbours reported. This may have resulted in a broken TV. The roommates then (probably spitefully) decided to drop her off as promised.

I think there probably was a broken TV, police will have found in the search. They may have found hair etc but could belong to NB

Tensions would have been heightened and further arguments ensued. A call was made to PBs boyfriend and arguing was heard with no intelligible conversation from PB.

I wonder who was arguing and if the topic was same. Did PB at this stage say how pleased she was to be getting away from them & their depraved lifestyle ( perhaps accidentally letting slip she was aware of some of their / his criminal activities )

For some reason PB was in contact with TBs makeup bag (JW offered this up as DNA evidence must have turned up on it) and the altercation turned physical. The car was detoured to Samuals Road to either assess the situation or put an end to it. They then drove the vehicle the dumping grounds in either Bundy or GNSNP. After the immediate gravity of the situation subsided they returned to move PB's body to a more secluded area. The fact that she was moved twice suggests neither the murder or initial body disposal was premeditated. If she died at the house, they would have thought up a plan on where to get rid of her once and for all. She died in that car.

The insertion in his story of the makeup case is interesting - ( it was passed back to her ) I don’t think Phoebe’s DNA on her flatmates makeup case would be a big deal. Must be more than that -
But I think for whatever reason JW decided he’d had enough of listening to her, possibly stoped, bound & gagged her, and drove to GNSNP where he killed her. Then together they moved her body to a better hiding place in that area where she’s lain for 3 weeks.

How far is drive from Samuels Road to GNSPNP ?
Is it an easy direct route ?

 

[TMich6811]

I’m still going back to his media confession


the tv in the house was broken (he said by her) - says to me there was some kind of incident there he was trying to story up

I wonder if SA will be identified given his telling of the pants.

Is there a possible scenario where SA started in the living room and either she came home or some version of this

 

[scepticalscotty]

Thank you for your post. If I recall correctly you are ‘local’ to the area so I appreciate your area knowledge.

I also don’t think she was killed at the house, but I agree that the 5am commotion may have ‘involved’ her somehow


How long would it normally take to drive from the GinGin house to Bundaberg Airport ?
Where would they need to detour to get to Samuals Road - like how far into the drive ?
Might they go there if they needed to fuel up ?

If we consider their ‘tardiness’ to mean they were still sleeping & she wanting them up and ready for drive to the airport, I doubt this would happen at 5am ( neighbour reported 5am commotion so that time seems correct). As others have stated, PB will have been all packed and ready, possibly struggled to sleep with excitement, which often means you fall asleep in early hours!
To be woken I’m wondering by a 5am argument between JW & NB.
She had apparently found out he was cheating / or online attempting to cheat - friends had told her he was cheating; he told an ex that he was no longer in relationship with NB.
Perhaps NB said she was taking the 5K
The car belonged to NB, maybe she didn’t want JW to go for the drive to airport .
(Maybe JW was worried she’d hop on plane to WA as well ! )

Eventually perhaps NB intervened and said STFU as we need to leave for the airport, and JW then turned. … she will have given him a mouthful I surmise as her Mum & Aunt both indicated she didn’t back down.


I think there probably was a broken TV, police will have found in the search. They may have found hair etc but could belong to NB

I wonder who was arguing and if the topic was same. Did PB at this stage say how pleased she was to be getting away from them & their depraved lifestyle ( perhaps accidentally letting slip she was aware of some of their / his criminal activities )

The insertion in his story of the makeup case is interesting - ( it was passed back to her ) I don’t think Phoebe’s DNA on her flatmates makeup case would be a big deal. Must be more than that -
But I think for whatever reason JW decided he’d had enough of listening to her, possibly stoped, bound & gagged her, and drove to GNSNP where he killed her. Then together they moved her body to a better hiding place in that area where she’s lain for 3 weeks.

How far is drive from Samuels Road to GNSPNP ?
Is it an easy direct route ?

Samuels road is not a thoroughfare for any standard route. It is a little less than 1km in length and intersects at the main Eastbound road into Bundaberg. Knowing that CCTV captured them at the BMX club now makes me assume that Samuels road was visited after this fact. My theory stands but I believe the arguing escalated even further at this point. I would assume they threatened not to drop PB off and started heading back. This would have elicited a reaction which led to the Samuel Road detour and possibly her death. I think that is the only reasonable deduction with her presence being captured at the BMX club. To get there, they would have driven directly past the airport terminal entrance road.

 

[whitelilac]

The murder could have been accidental.
It only takes one hit with blunt force to kill a person.
Scenario - they are arguing, she tries to call her boyfriend & he snatches her phone, she launches to get it back and he hits her either with hand or something else.

Accidental......no doubt this will be what they claim, hoping for manslaughter instead of murder.
Who knows though at this point if it was accidental?
But manner and cause of death is still to be determined. Hopefully possible and fully determined after 3 weeks.

 

[Cleety_]

Accidental......no doubt this will be what they claim, hoping for manslaughter instead of murder.
Who knows though at this point if it was accidental?
But manner and cause of death is still to be determined. Hopefully possible and fully determined after 3 weeks.

Accidental is probably the wrong word I was looking for.
More so a crime of passion is what I was meaning. As in it’s happened quickly, violently, not pre meditated. As in I’m more inclined to think this happened in an argument rather than the act of taking her someone to kill her.
Although my mind could just be bias to that idea as I’m not a sick, twisted murderer & find it hard to wrap my head around someone doing that. There are evil people on this world though, so very possible it was planned and these scum are worse than anyone could have imagined.
I’m so sad about the whole thing.

 

[Detechtive]

Accidental is probably the wrong word I was looking for.
More so a crime of passion is what I was meaning. As in it’s happened quickly, violently, not pre meditated. As in I’m more inclined to think this happened in an argument rather than the act of taking her someone to kill her.
Although my mind could just be bias to that idea as I’m not a sick, twisted murderer & find it hard to wrap my head around someone doing that. There are evil people on this world though, so very possible it was planned and these scum are worse than anyone could have imagined.
I’m so sad about the whole thing.

I agree with you. But in order to prove murder, they only have to prove that the accused had the intention to cause harm to Pheobe, so therefore I think it fits the definition of murder.

To me, it seems spur of the moment and disorganised. Not at all planned. But planning isn't central to intent, per se. As long as it can be established that they meant to cause harm, they will likely succeed in a murder conviction. IMO

 

[thinker47]

Logically it makes a lot more sense. To assume she was killed in the house would require a lot of implausible events to occur and dismissal of evidence to the contrary.

-A call was made to the boyfriend. Police can verify what area this was made and at what time. It is extremely unlikely this was made by anyone other than PB.
-A witness reported an argument in the vehicle earlier in the investigation.
-QPS have confirmed that 3 people arrived in the vicinity of the airport. (Police are generally very selective with their terminology and it is doubtful they would refer state that a deceased person 'arrived'.

Logically it makes a lot more sense. To assume she was killed in the house would require a lot of implausible events to occur and dismissal of evidence to the contrary.

Im assuming the people that are saying she was carried away in a duffle bag have never attempted to move an unconscious/deceased person. Even a small adult is quite difficult to move when they cannot assist. To carry PB down the stairs of that house and then to position her in the vehicle would have not only been extremely difficult, it would have been noticable. There was quite literally no room out the front of that home for a vehicle to be parked. They would have had to carry her out to the street where the vehicle was parked. This would have been a very risky move.

What time does it get light there at this time of year?

 

[Aussieboy]

I think that is the only reasonable deduction with her presence being captured at the BMX club. To get there, they would have driven directly past the airport terminal entrance road.

Not necessarily, there are no reported sightings that they drove through multiple traffic cams in Bundaberg CBD.

 

[discostu]

I agree with one hit with blunt force perhaps

Only thing with the timeline for me is

40 odd minute drive from Gin Gin to Bundy

The call is alleged to have been 8.30, going on media reports -
About 8.30am, before they’d left Gin Gin for Bundaberg, Pheobe called her boyfriend to let him know she was on the way.

If he was seen at the IGA around 8am that morning - as per his interview

* I know he lies but I cant add more to my theory for the moment*

Lets say he was at the IGA and PB makes that call at about 8.30 , still in Gin Gin

Car seen on CCTV near BMX

Timeframe would be handy Inspector Mansfield


Because then the media reports -
" The CCTV footage is time stamped 10.30am May 15 – two hours after Pheobe was alleged to have been dropped to Bundaberg Airport to fly to Brisbane."

Say they arrived near BMX CCTV about 9.15 roughly - 40 odd minute drive from Gin Gin to Bundy

and the other CCTV picks up the car at 10.30 am along the back of Gin Gin Showgrounds

Take off the 40 odd minutes to get back to Gin Gin to be captured on CCTV at 10.30

That leaves not much more than half hour ????????????????????????????????

I dont think they would have had time to do much at all looking at that ?. Maybe throw the phone and hide a few of PB possessions.

How are they going to *** her and then dispose of her all within half hour ?

Be a pretty rushed event IMO


Had to have put her somewhere close by then gone back to get her and move her to GNP

"they had discovered what they "believed to be human remains" near the Good Night National Park near Gin Gin

Detective Inspector Craig Mansfield said they have been confirmed as human, and forensic officers believe "the remains would be consistent with the time frame when Pheobe went missing".

He said cadaver dogs were used in the search and the remains were discovered in bushland.

Police "believe the remains were not buried", Inspector Mansfield said."

Police confirm human remains found in search for missing teen Pheobe Bishop

Police confirm they have discovered human remains near the Good Night National Park near Gin Gin.

www.abc.net.au

Absolutely disgusting pair of individuals !

I haven’t been able to find where the police have mentioned the time stamps on the cctv footage?

I feel like this new info today has completely changed the timeline though and it’s making me wonder where their original claim about last seeing PB at 8:30am might have come from..

It feels that much sadder that she was so close to making it to the airport & leaving all of the dysfunction behind (at least for a bit).

 

[Detechtive]

What time does it get light there at this time of year?

Sunrise is around 6:30 am

 

[discostu]

What time does it get light there at this time of year?

Sunrise on the day was at 6:18am so I’d assume first light would probably have been around 30 mins before that.

 

[Aussieboy]

Accidental is probably the wrong word I was looking for.
More so a crime of passion is what I was meaning. As in it’s happened quickly, violently, not pre meditated. As in I’m more inclined to think this happened in an argument rather than the act of taking her someone to kill her.
Although my mind could just be bias to that idea as I’m not a sick, twisted murderer & find it hard to wrap my head around someone doing that. There are evil people on this world though, so very possible it was planned and these scum are worse than anyone could have imagined.
I’m so sad about the whole thing.

I think it was some type of attempt at extortion gone wrong, what for, most likely money, since he mentioned the stolen $5000.

They both look like low life scum bags and every dollor counts to them.

 

[findmollie]

What time does it get light there at this time of year?

Early, around 5:30-6am.

Even now (Winter), it is still light early.

 

[HinterlandObserver]

I think it was some type of attempt at extortion gone wrong, what for, most likely money, since he mentioned the stolen $5000.

They both look like low life scum bags and every dollor counts to them.

I hope the NDIS look into her allocation of funds as a CoS. My bet is there will be fraud there too. MOO.

 

[findmollie]

I haven’t been able to find where the police have mentioned the time stamps on the cctv footage?

I feel like this new info today has completely changed the timeline though and it’s making me wonder where their original claim about last seeing PB at 8:30am might have come from..

It feels that much sadder that she was so close to making it to the airport & leaving all of the dysfunction behind (at least for a bit).

The initial police report stated:
Pheobe Bishop, pictured, was last seen at Airport Drive, Bundaberg around 8.30am on May 15.

I think the times mentioned outside of that have come from the media and may be unreliable.

 

[Aussieboy]

I hope the NDIS look into her allocation of funds as a CoS. My bet is there will be fraud there too. MOO.

Maybe there's something tied in with the airplane ticket and illegally acquired funds. PB might have used it as leverage as to not pay the money back. An argument ensuing all morning makes sense to me if this occurred. MOO

 

[discostu]

The initial police report stated:
Pheobe Bishop, pictured, was last seen at Airport Drive, Bundaberg around 8.30am on May 15.

I think the times mentioned outside of that have come from the media and may be unreliable.

Sorry, I realise that the 8:30am time has been given by the police. My question was more if the cctv time stamps are actually from later in the morning (10am-ish as mentioned by PP) it makes me wonder where the 8:30am time originally came from, i.e. how it fit into the version of events that JW and TB gave the police from the beginning.

Also wondering how the call to the boyfriend fits in to everything as it seems more reliable that that did actually happen at 8:30am.

 

[scepticalscotty]

The pieces of this horrendous puzzle are slowly coming together.

1. We now know that the house was not the place of the alleged murder.
2. We know that the call made to PB's boyfriend was made by her.
3. We know that the PB's body was moved twice
4. Neither of the accused handed themselves in to the police.


We also have JW latest statement to the media which revealed a few details that, along with previously-verified information, should be considered likely;

A) JW was driving the vehicle. TB was in the front passenger seat and PB in the back.

B) JW has previously committed acts of DV against TB yet during the 3 week period where both were being interviewed and subsequently arrested, TB did not attempt to roll on JW and utilize a DV defence. This despite the magistrate declaring that TB was not a risk of reacquainting herself with JW (inferring a disharmony amongst the two)

C) Police were initially inaccurate with their first search, later stating that they searched a similar access track 9kms away from their first attempt. This would indicate that they were tipped off to the location but not directly shown where to look. This is critical information and should not be overlooked. Most likely an anonymous phone call, but someone gave them a description of the area.


Again, my theory as follows:

The argument escalated to the point where JW approached the airport terminal but drove straight past it. This may have been to enrage PB or to assert control. He then turned around at the BMX club just past the airport. This sent PB into a panic and she most likely tried to exit but was unable to do so. As the journey progressed back to the main road PB possibly attempted to break free which resulted in an enraged TB attacking her inside the vehicle (what with is unknown). With the two fighting in the car (PB most likely being overpowered by the much larger TB) JW pulls off onto Samuels road (30 second drive from airport Rd) and pulls the vehicle over. PB met her demise here. She was then taken to the first dumping ground and disposed of in a hurry. She was relocated to a more discreet location at a later date.

TB was the instigator and primary culprit. This is why she has not turned on JW.
This was not premeditated as I've discussed previously. This was reactionary. There was no rendering PB unconscious and/or binding and gagging as it this would require planning. If police suspected this they would add kidnapping to the charge of murder.

I will further speculate that PB was most likely strangled/choked to death. Limited space inside the vehicle, weight disparity between her and the accused and the lack of suitable evidence to charge from the first impoundment of the vehicle suggests a clean homicide. A struggle would definitely occured but evidence of a struggle wouldn't look to dissimilar to the state the vehicle was generally kept by the accused.

 

[Detechtive]

Not sure how they determined that Pheobe was alive then. Maybe she was seen moving around in the vehicle?

Yes, this has been good work by the Qld police. And in the live presser today, they say .... "We are satisfied that we have enough evidence to support our prosecution of these two accused,"

imo

Police confirm human remains found in search for missing teen Pheobe Bishop

Police confirm they have discovered human remains near the Good Night National Park near Gin Gin.

www.abc.net.au

It's possible if she had an Iphone that they have Iphone data from the cloud. Unlocking the phone, facial recognition, etc could be evidence of proof of life.

 

[scepticalscotty]

Not necessarily, there are no reported sightings that they drove through multiple traffic cams in Bundaberg CBD.


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There is no need to go anywhere near the CBD. From Gin Gin to the airport you drive directly through farmlands and bush. The BMX club is only a few hundred meters from the airport terminal