Speculation is what Sleuthing is built on. Theorising on situations that happen in real life.
Everyone's theory is valid at given point in time.
Facts on women not pressing charges in DV incidents is very common.
Australia Australia - Pheobe Bishop, 17, failed to board a flight from Queensland, Bundaberg, 15 May 2025 *Arrests* #3
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Everyone's theory is valid at given point in time.
Facts on women not pressing charges in DV incidents is very common.
Nah I was a fat addict. Knew lots of fat addicts.
Wasn’t meth, but cocaine. Still same deal.
Do you know the statistics of how many people are in DV relationships that report it to police compared to the ones who don’t ? Statistics say around 60%
It has been stated by TB’s brother that she was in fact being beaten by JW. It’s pretty obvious to me that there relationship was violent.
For anyone who doesn’t understand the dynamics that can come into play when you bring DV/ drugs into a relationship, I’ll give you a quick run down from experience.
1. It’s not as easy as “she had the opportunity to leave” this can be either very unsafe given the lack of police care. It’s highly likely will either not show up, like seen in this case. Or they will downplay it, or put an AVO in place which is literally not stopping anything when you are dealing with an unhinged psychopath.
2. If you bring drugs into the mix, there is an added layer of addiction which is a disease and you will do absolutely anything to get your fix. Example- staying with someone who is violent because they supply you your drugs and you feel stuck because your addiction comes before everything including your safety.
3. Financial control. Sometimes people can’t leave because where will they go? Their partner has control of every aspect of their lives.
4. DV usually doesn’t just start with instantly getting hit. It’s usually a build up, a slow break down of your character and worth. Stripping the person who you once were to where you now accept things that happen to you with a hope that things may change.
Personally I think TB is a horrible person, she should have told the police the truth in the first interview. But I do however see a scenario in which at the time she felt like she had to go along with what was happening. I am being bias again with the thought that a woman wouldn’t kill another woman, which is probably naive of me, but my view on men has been very tainted by as I stated, experience in this world.
Maybe she was knocked out or her phone thrown out ?
There are so many factors yet to be given , that all theories are valid
Logically moving her body from the house after perhaps a blow to the head, into a more hidden location, is possible.
The timeline from
May 15 when PB was to travel, given roughly her flight into WA in the evening,
morning of May 16 things escalate to where she might be
May 18 when Police put out a Missing persons report
gives 2 days of opportunity
JW car could have been used to transport her body to location of GNP initially, then moving her again to another location within that area.
I'm actually yet to see any facts that it happened on route, of which you have declared it surely did?
The only facts given by the Detective was 3 people were seen in the car and 3 people never left the car.
All theories are valid.
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Police allege the pair moved the teen’s body more than once after her death.
Inspector Mansfield said Pheobe’s phone and luggage had not yet been found and dismissed speculation that drugs were involved.
Inspector Mansfield said Pheobe’s phone and luggage had not yet been found and dismissed speculation that drugs were involved.
There were a few on here questioning if the mother really had the 360 tracking app on BP's phone, and it seems that the mother did have it.
LE must have known their every move almost; it's mountainous terrain, so I would expect the phone signal to cut in and out.
I'll cue the video on point for people.
LE must have known their every move almost; it's mountainous terrain, so I would expect the phone signal to cut in and out.
I'll cue the video on point for people.
Yes agree completely
Not sure why when drugs are discussed, meth seems to be the only drug mentioned
Such a broad range when it comes to drugs.
The same applies for very thin people. Assumptions are made they must be addicts.
What I don’t understand is if you have saved 1000s to make your escape why not just take a cab to the airport? Strange to involve those you are escaping from by asking for a lift.
I think she was killed at the home or elsewhere and the airport run was fictitious or with a body onboard.
Also surprised that JW has a family support network ( found at mothers) had thought someone that depraved and evil would have had some sort of terrible upbringing
IMO
Yes not sure what weight has to do with people being addicts or drug users ?
Odd assumption
People of all shapes and sizes are addicts. Only have to work in hospitals or clinics to know that
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I think I posted before that was up as it was being done in live time.
I'm catching up on the thread!
So
Police claim the girl was seen alive in the car.
In fact,
there was some report of her being seen on CCTV, no?
It seems the argument that started in the house carried on and escalated during the journey to the airport.
What a pity she had to depend on them to take her there.
Some ppl call a taxi.
Why did both defendants take her to the airport?
Couldn't it just be JW or TB?
It is strange to me that all were in this car.
JMO
So
Police claim the girl was seen alive in the car.
In fact,
there was some report of her being seen on CCTV, no?
It seems the argument that started in the house carried on and escalated during the journey to the airport.
What a pity she had to depend on them to take her there.
Some ppl call a taxi.
Why did both defendants take her to the airport?
Couldn't it just be JW or TB?
It is strange to me that all were in this car.
JMO
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I used to believe strongly that she was killed at home, possibly even the night before, but the police have stated categorically that 3 people were seen in the car by the BMX place, ostensibly on their way to the airport, and I really doubt that even our diabolical pair could have got away with the macabre act of sitting a corpse upright in the back of their car in public, in broad daylight, when the neighbours were already on the alert. But I have absolutely no explanation of why they should have been there and then shortly afterwards, instead of being at the airport poor Pheobe was dead. There just doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason as to why they turned round. Except that I still stand by what I said earlier - there has to be some connection with the fact that she was leaving. This was not just any random day.
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Yeah, I volunteered for ACON in the early oughts, handing out condoms and clean injecting equipment to anyone who walked through the door. Everyone from a fifteen year old sex worker through to people in their late sixties, all body shapes and sizes, genders, and social and racial backgrounds.
There is no one way even habitual users look. Many, many people have regular or higher BMIs, good grooming, hold down steady employment and housing, and unless you were there when they were shooting or snorting or smoking, you would never know.
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For those unfamiliar with Life 360 App
It will show your entire movements for the day
Eg: if in a car travelling at whatever speed.. and your exact driving route.
If you’re walking it will show walking.
Once a phone is turned off… it will show the last location the phone was on.
My entire family uses it…especially useful with young drivers as you get an alert for crash detection. If you are flying those in your circle get notified that you have landed.
With all due respect to those posting in this thread, the level of speculation and misinformation is alarming.
At this point in time, the Police press conference with Detective Inspector Craig Mansfield is the most up to date information. Note: Audio begins at timestamp 4:10
If one listens carefully, there is a lot of information shared. But the choice of words and phrases is important.
1. Remains were located in the Goodnight Scrub area, 9km from the previously identified area.
2. In regards to the timing of the remains being found:
Remains were located using a specialist search capability unit that had been pre-planned, prior to the weekend. "snippets of information along with Telephone data" allowed police to find that location.
(This does not indicate that either of the accused gave up the location.)
3. Remains have been confirmed as being human. No cause of death has been established.
4. Pheobe's phone has not been located.
5. The last time Phoebe was seen alive was "that morning prior to arriving at the airport... prior to arriving at the BMX track. She was captured on CCTV with the two accused."
(We don't where that CCTV was. Prior to the BMX track could mean somewhere along the way to the airport, or it could mean back in Gin Gin, for example the IGA.)
6. Question - "Have the accused denied killing Pheobe?"
"We have engaged with their legal teams with a view of obtaining interviews. We have not completed that yet"
(See point 2 above.)
7. Question - "Is there any indication that drugs were involved?"
"We don't have any indication [this incident] is drug related... No."
8. Question - We know that police divers were involved in the original search, were the remains found in a bushland, in a creek..?"
"The remains have been found in bushland."
9. Were the remains buried?
"We don't believe that is the case. We believe that the remains were not buried."
At this point in time, the Police press conference with Detective Inspector Craig Mansfield is the most up to date information. Note: Audio begins at timestamp 4:10
If one listens carefully, there is a lot of information shared. But the choice of words and phrases is important.
1. Remains were located in the Goodnight Scrub area, 9km from the previously identified area.
2. In regards to the timing of the remains being found:
Remains were located using a specialist search capability unit that had been pre-planned, prior to the weekend. "snippets of information along with Telephone data" allowed police to find that location.
(This does not indicate that either of the accused gave up the location.)
3. Remains have been confirmed as being human. No cause of death has been established.
4. Pheobe's phone has not been located.
5. The last time Phoebe was seen alive was "that morning prior to arriving at the airport... prior to arriving at the BMX track. She was captured on CCTV with the two accused."
(We don't where that CCTV was. Prior to the BMX track could mean somewhere along the way to the airport, or it could mean back in Gin Gin, for example the IGA.)
6. Question - "Have the accused denied killing Pheobe?"
"We have engaged with their legal teams with a view of obtaining interviews. We have not completed that yet"
(See point 2 above.)
7. Question - "Is there any indication that drugs were involved?"
"We don't have any indication [this incident] is drug related... No."
8. Question - We know that police divers were involved in the original search, were the remains found in a bushland, in a creek..?"
"The remains have been found in bushland."
9. Were the remains buried?
"We don't believe that is the case. We believe that the remains were not buried."
Once phone is turned off, it shows last location the phone was on
Theoretically then, her phone could have been turned off and thrown, before the car made its way back to the house, making it impossible for her to call anyone.
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Absolutely.
Plenty precedent for it.
But a lot depends on how she was killed, and how much damage was done while she lay out there.
MOP
Bundaberg police confirm human remains found in search for missing Queensland teen Pheobe Bishop
Snipped by me:-
“He said cadaver dogs were used in the search and the remains were discovered in bushland.” (Referring to “he” as Insp Mansfield.)
“Police "believe the remains were not buried", Inspector Mansfield said.”
"We happened upon a track that did look similar to the original track but in a different location, which would seem suitable if we were mirroring an original location of what we believe Pheobe was at," Inspector Mansfield says.”
"It was then that the capability was then able to be deployed onto that and the remains were found".
“Inspector Mansfield says police have not determined a cause of death for the human remains they have found.”
"We will conduct our examinations with a view of course of trying to determine a cause of death, whether that is able to be achieved is yet to be determined," he says.”
Police confirm human remains found in search for missing teen Pheobe Bishop
Police confirm they have discovered human remains near the Good Night National Park near Gin Gin.www.abc.net.au
From reading this, I don’t think that the alleged murderers have revealed where they hid Pheobe. Inspector Mansfield is saying that they “happened upon a track”…. not that the people they have charged have revealed the location.
I’ve been trying to make sense of that statement:I think some of the media are doing a great job covering this case and getting out what information they can to avoid legalities
Without media, no one would have any details!
Media, Witnesses and timelines all make up a clearer picture.
If it wasn't for Media, cases like these would probably never be solved! Witnesses come forward when they read accounts from the media!
The DM who has been on the ground in Gin Gin from the start stated the call to PB boyfriend was made at around 8.30am BEFORE they left for Bundaberg
"about 8.30am, before they’d left Gin Gin for Bundaberg, Pheobe called her boyfriend to let him know she was on the way. "
Daily Mail Australia previously reported the boyfriend claimed he heard shouting during the call. The boyfriend later told a friend: 'They were both yelling at her and I couldn't really hear her.'
Pheobe Bishop's housemate James Wood breaks his silence
The flatmate of missing teenager Pheobe Bishop has revealed explosive new details about the her car ride to the airport on the day she disappeared.www.dailymail.co.uk
The *8am* IGA tale JW told about getting drinks, could actually be a cover by him, for something else that was maybe witnessed in that area that morning.
I think there is a LOT of information not known to the media and public and that every theory is valid at this point in time.
""We will allege that three people arrived near to the airport, and that three people never left that vehicle," Detective Inspector Mansfield said at a press conference on Friday morning
Police say remains found in search for Pheobe Bishop
Police say they have found what is believed to be human remains in the search for missing Queensland teenager Pheobe Bishop.
3 people arrived. 3 people never left the vehicle.
There is a theory there that it could be that they all drove back to Gin Gin!?
Car shown 10.30 am back into Gin Gin
Maybe something happened back at the house AFTER returning from the airport ? That would really escalate an already volatile situation.
And whereby the television was smashed.
It could be that the alleged murder didn't happen anywhere near the airport.
It could be that the murder took place back at the house and then his car was used to transport PB to GNP later that evening.
Have yet to hear the police say, PB was murdered at Bundaberg Airport vicinity and then her body was buried nearby.
All Ive heard and read is TB car was seen in the Airport area with 3 people in it and that no one LEFT that vehicle.
JMO
3 arrived, 3 never left
But I think you’re onto something
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We don't know how much she saved, except it was enough for at least a one way ticket, maybe return. You would assume she'd saved some for day to day living - she has to eat - and maybe pay for accommodation. A taxi would cost about $120-$150 and we don't know how prolific they are in that location, or how reliable. Why would you spend that much money when your housemates appeared to be willing to do it, I'm assuming for free or for petrol money? Whilst she appeared to hate living there, we don't know she was trying to escape from the situation. She had planned to visit her boyfriend, that is fact. Whether she planned to return to Qld, or to the house, we don't know and probably never will.
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