CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #4

[FromGermany1]

Interesting that he said a liaison officer is keeping them both updated. I wonder how that works now they are separated, as presumably he doesn't have parental responsibility?

Apropos "they are separated": I'm wondering, which family members were seen with the children, his or her's??? Did the mother leave M, because HIS family members took the children away? Or did she leave M, because HER family members are involved? What is making more sense to it all?

 

[musicaljoke]

Apropos "they are separated": I'm wondering, which family members were seen with the children, his or her's??? Did the mother leave M, because HIS family members took the children away? Or did she leave M, because HER family members are involved? What is making more sense to it all?

The sighting was the day before the kids went missing, so the most likely family members were the mom and step-father, although it may have been other family members. In any case, so far, there hasn't been any connection made between the family members who were out in public with the kids, and someone who might have taken the children away.

 

[JudiK]

Bringing Tricia's message over from the last thread

dbm

 

[FansBlowing]

If this was a case of accidental overdose (by giving the kids some kind of medicine/drugs) to make them sleep, then the parents would not have been aware until Friday morning. Assuming most people get up around 8:00 am, this would give them 2 hours before their call to police at 10:00 am. to dispose of the bodies. That doesn't give much time to be burying or hiding bodies without help of some kind - an accessory after the fact.

Their car would have left and come back early morning, if this were the case. Or someone else's car would have arrived to collect them.

 

[TMich6811]

If this was a case of accidental overdose (by giving the kids some kind of medicine/drugs) to make them sleep, then the parents would not have been aware until Friday morning. Assuming most people get up around 8:00 am, this would give them 2 hours before their call to police at 10:00 am. to dispose of the bodies. That doesn't give much time to be burying or hiding bodies without help of some kind - an accessory after the fact.

Their car would have left and come back early morning, if this were the case. Or someone else's car would have arrived to collect them.

I partially agree with the first part but not the rest. If they overdosed them with something to get them to sleep (I think it was likely a different type of accidental overdose) then they could have realized at any point from medication to am.

They are in the middle of nowhere with 0 people around them, horrific forrest and water avenues everywhere. The children are very small. Finding a place to put them without being seen or found wouldn’t be difficult. Neither would moving them.

 

[AddyFinch]

Questions
- where did kids like to go, play, would they follow a dog to pet? (bush, park, stray dog, person in a car with a dog etc)
-what was their weekend routine in early am? (watched tv, got their own breakfast, fed the chickens, let mummy and daddy sleep in)
-what type of conversations did kids have days prior to going missing (imagination, planning, fun)
-who were family members or friends that kids were familiar with and have they been interviewed
-who were the family members kids last seen with, and where (why no description of people, kids car, location, time, health status)
-where was grandmother, uncles and biological father before and during the immediate missing time
-do parents have a history of drug use, or mental health issues
-has Children's Services attended house in past?
-condition of home or situation when 911 call answered
-video photage of parents leaving property in ATV or cars to search. Evidence that they may have searched bush?
-which bodies of water were searched?
-relationship status between parents and parents and families, mother and biological father (custody, animosity, hatred, support)
-have teachers been interviewed, has Lilly's school journal been read? (kids encouraged to use these, what were parent/teacher interviews like)
-have parents of school students been interviewed? (kids talk, so do parents in school yard or events)
-have bank accounts been examined. (for deposits or financial difficulty)
-has telephone messages and calls and internet been examined? clues, emotions, directions)
-have children doctors or paediatricians been interviewed? (kids health, Homelife, parents health)
-have kids been taught the "secret password"? Have they been fingerprinted? (stranger danger training and local identity kits)
-what have parents to gain from these children missing? who has something to gain from taking them? (sold them, child abductors behaviour, want new life, drugs, )

 

[AddyFinch]

If this was a case of accidental overdose (by giving the kids some kind of medicine/drugs) to make them sleep, then the parents would not have been aware until Friday morning. Assuming most people get up around 8:00 am, this would give them 2 hours before their call to police at 10:00 am. to dispose of the bodies. That doesn't give much time to be burying or hiding bodies without help of some kind - an accessory after the fact.

Their car would have left and come back early morning, if this were the case. Or someone else's car would have arrived to collect them.

Have to agree with most of this. It is a tight time line, getting rid of them would have to be done evening of May 1st into May 2, unless preplanned

 

[Chimera]

I wonder what the kids were wearing the last day they were seen in public. Happy to hear RCMP knows.

Bbm.
Excellent question !

 

[Chimera]

The RCMP may be requesting footage from before May 1st, but also could be intensely scrutinizing events starting from the 1st to the 2nd ?

 

[derweezy]

IMO if Mom believed they wandered away, she'd never leave that location.

IMO Mom was given information from LE that destroys 'walked away' and she responded swiftly and definitively. MOO.

Living nightmare.

JMO

I am skeptical of this, IMO if she was given news from LE suggesting something nefarious you would think she would have cooperated by now, and provided more information, especially now that she is away from her partner. To the best of my knowledge their stories have remained the same. If she knew that something happened to her kids, or they provided evidence of something relating to their disappearance wouldn't she have come forward by now? I think whatever happened they are in this together MOO

 

[Trocroc9]

I am mostly of the opinion something nefarious most likely happened to these two young children. However, I do have this nagging thought that after a few days off from school (bored at home) could the children have tried to get to school by themselves that morning? End of year fun activities are a huge draw for young children (field days, talent shows, award ceremonies) Did they possibly try to go to their bus stop without parents knowing hence LS’s backpack missing? Tried to walk to school if missed bus? Really got lost trying to walk to school or picked up by a bad character? Wish we were privy to their usual routines. Such a very scary, sad and strange situation.

 

[Snoop Sister]

I am skeptical of this, IMO if she was given news from LE suggesting something nefarious you would think she would have cooperated by now, and provided more information, especially now that she is away from her partner. To the best of my knowledge their stories have remained the same. If she knew that something happened to her kids, or they provided evidence of something relating to their disappearance wouldn't she have come forward by now? I think whatever happened they are in this together MOO

Perhaps the mom did go forward to the RCMP and shared any knowledge or stories she had. We don’t have privy to her conversations with the Mounties. But, I am sure she was questioned thoroughly and more than once.

 

[Chimera]

Since DM did describe their clothing or at least Lilly's, it would also be helpful to give a photo to the public, of her backpack, the white one with strawberries on it -- that might have turned brown by now ?
Imo.

 

[iveyguy]

Did they possibly try to go to their bus stop without parents knowing hence LS’s backpack missing? Tried to walk to school if missed bus? Really got lost trying to walk to school or picked up by a bad character?

Seems nearly impossible, knowing the area. If anyone had noticed two little children on this road, or even waiting alone for the school bus after 9 am, they would have either intervened or at least remembered. The speed limit is 90 kph / 55 mph. There are no sidewalks, just a narrow gravel/grass shoulder. If it was a bad character, it would have been the first person that saw them, which makes it even more unlikely.

FYI, the "bus stop" is almost certainly at the end of their driveway. Rural school buses usually just pick-up & drop kids in front of their houses, especially on main roads/highways.

 

[FansBlowing]

If you google children's white backpack with strawberries, dozens of images come up and they all pretty much look the same.

Amazon.com

 

[Bipolar Express]

I cant even imagine 2 little kids going very far into the woods. The first scratch, or bugs, or dense bush thats hard to get though, you'd think theyd turn around and try to go back.

Yeah, I dont believe for one second they left for good on their own. They may have gone outside on their own, but they had “help” disappearing. Some “human”, whether that be a family member, a friend, acquaintance, or stranger, was involved. Who that was, is the key here.

 

[Bipolar Express]

Two small bodies carried deep into the wilderness through gullies, marshes and masses of fallen timber? It’s probably not a wonder then that nothing was found, people usually don’t go to that much difficulty.
JMO

To hide bodies? Some go to great lengths.,,which is why there are so many cold cases.

 

[wvmoonangel]

I am mostly of the opinion something nefarious most likely happened to these two young children. However, I do have this nagging thought that after a few days off from school (bored at home) could the children have tried to get to school by themselves that morning? End of year fun activities are a huge draw for young children (field days, talent shows, award ceremonies) Did they possibly try to go to their bus stop without parents knowing hence LS’s backpack missing? Tried to walk to school if missed bus? Really got lost trying to walk to school or picked up by a bad character? Wish we were privy to their usual routines. Such a very scary, sad and strange situation.

With them being away from school for a few days before supposedly going missing is why some including me are wondering if something didn't happen to them before the day the call was made to 911.

 

[Lucy6226]

I am skeptical of this, IMO if she was given news from LE suggesting something nefarious you would think she would have cooperated by now, and provided more information, especially now that she is away from her partner. To the best of my knowledge their stories have remained the same. If she knew that something happened to her kids, or they provided evidence of something relating to their disappearance wouldn't she have come forward by now? I think whatever happened they are in this together MOO

She may well have provided information, we don't know if she has or not as they RCMP are being tight lipped.

Just because we don't know one fact, doesn't mean the opposite must be true.

The only solid fact in this case is that both children are still missing.

 

[branmuffin]

Dashcam footage! I didn't even think about this possibility. Let's hope the police get some footage.

"The release said police are asking anyone who has dashcam footage or video along Gairloch Road between 12 p.m. on April 28 and 12 p.m. on May 2 to contact them."

Those dates seem odd to me. I'm sure the police have corroborated that Jack and Lilly were in school on the 28th which was a Monday. Supposedly they were in school on Tuesday, too, since the school bus driver verified that. There is a video of him showing the name tags for Lilly and Jack who sat at the front of the bus. So right now, I'd like to know who has verified seeing those kids on May 1st. And I don't mean family members, like MBM, BM, his brother or his mother.

If it's someone who lives on Gairloch Rd who saw them playing outside when they drove by I'd take that as a legitimate sighting however brief. But it's very difficult for me to acknowledge that the individuals LE mentioned have provided legitimate input as to their whereabouts on May 1 are other family members who live on the property. Because the brother and mother said diddly squat while the place was a zoo after Lilly and Jack were reported missing. It was crawling with LE, reporters, various search teams, etc. They never came on camera and verified seeing those kids on May 2nd. Which to me, imo, seems counter to what most family members would do when a child who lives basically with them never said a word. Other than kicking MCM's mother off the property when she accused BM of being involved in their disappearance.