CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #4

[ttjo]

Martell says he wants police to exhaust all resources.

“Bring cadaver dogs, they search for anything they can find, I want as much as they can do,” he said.

Snipped by me, BBM

That interview rubs me the wrong way,
He wants as much as they can do? Then they should show him.
I have to be careful, Im starting to see less humbleness and more cocky confidence.

 

[tarabull]

There's two things I can think of that would rule him out straight away from having taken them himself - If they knew he wasn't in the country at the time or was in prison.

Or maybe their biological father passed away...

 

[Fika]

The backpack is nagging me. I can’t put my finger on it but its one of the things that don’t add up to me ( well most in this case doesn’t so there we go).

If they wandered off taking backpack would be somewhat logical. Maybe Lilly didn’t know that she will not go to school or was upset that she will not.

As of staging backpack it doesn’t make sense to me either IMO because if backpack was staged as of “oh they left look she took backpack with her” . The story would have been a bit different perhaps .

Just pondering I guess

Another thing I wonder is how common it is for a parent of missing child not to speak up to the media? Most of the cases that I followed parents spoke to the media. I know it’s not necessity as long as they are cooperating with LE.

 

[MarcieM]

They do to me too almost like them being missing is staged. IMO I don't believe the kids wandered off and I don't have hope that this will have a happy ending.

Same, I agree with everything you said here.

 

[ttjo]

Same, I agree with everything you said here.

Like everything else, who's to say she even had a strawberry knapsack. If just one teacher, orthe bus driver, or a little friend, says I saw her carrying a strawberry knapsack, then fine. Too many things dont add up that even that, is questionable at this point.

 

[Sarahlou]

Agreed. Treading lightly here... Even if he was in jail far away from where the children live (which is not a known fact, to my knowledge), I would still be curious about whether the people in his circle (family members, romantic partners, close friends, etc.) have been interviewed. I wonder if anyone on his side of the family is included in the dozens of people being interviewed. Of course, I don't expect LE to give any answers to those questions.

All of this is just my opinion.

I'd be surprised if they weren't.
But LE have seemed pretty sure from the start that abduction isn't likely here, so I'm sure they have good reasons for that.

 

[Skigh]

That interview rubs me the wrong way,
He wants as much as they can do? Then they should show him.
I have to be careful, Im starting to see less humbleness and more cocky confidence.

I have thought all along that his attitude was the same as you are describing.

 

[MollyHarps]

There's two things I can think of that would rule him out straight away from having taken them himself - If they knew he wasn't in the country at the time or was in prison.

Agreed.

Also even if he was in the country I think it’d be quite easy to rule him out if they didn’t have a speaking relationship with the mother..

As he’d have presumed both were in school at this time on a Friday so why would he be attempting to abduct them then..

 

[Andromeda]

The backpack is nagging me. I can’t put my finger on it but its one of the things that don’t add up to me ( well most in this case doesn’t so there we go).

If they wandered off taking backpack would be somewhat logical. Maybe Lilly didn’t know that she will not go to school or was upset that she will not.

As of staging backpack it doesn’t make sense to me either IMO because if backpack was staged as of “oh they left look she took backpack with her” . The story would have been a bit different perhaps .

Just pondering I guess

Another thing I wonder is how common it is for a parent of missing child not to speak up to the media? Most of the cases that I followed parents spoke to the media. I know it’s not necessity as long as they are cooperating with LE.

When I learned the backpack was missing, the detail struck me as very odd as well because IMO it is a personal extension of the student and not a “toy” (unless the student gets a new one and the old one is repurposed.) That’s the way we rolled when my kids were growing up. The lunch bag was stored in the backpack once it was cleaned out, along with the Agenda (parent/teach communication medium) after it was read and signed.

It’s shopped for as part of the back-to-school items. It’s chosen like it would be a coat. It’s a personal reflection of the owner and it’s something the student can immediately recognized. So, like part of their school uniform, and IMO it has this intrinsic boundary attached to it as to it’s purpose.

This is why the morning narrative never made sense to me as it even being part of a non-school day. If non-school day, it would be dormant. A school day would be routine, would encompass making lunches and packing them into the backpack. At this age, it’s the parent who packs it, not the student unless they are retrieving their lunch/putting them back after lunch (teachers pack what is going home with the student, i.e., art).

If Jack didn’t have to have his own backpack at that age (pre-primary is voluntary), does that mean Lilly would pack his lunch to school for him? Why the mention of only one backpack?

If Lilly decisively decided she was going to school that day, then she was either too early or she missed the bus because the bus driver would not stop for the kids if they were not at their stop. Especially not in an 80km speed zone with a soft shoulder. As well, he would never allow them onto the bus unless a parent/known guardian was with them. Most importantly, as part of the routine, she would have made her lunch and evidence of that would have been something to indicate her intentions that morning before setting out.

Nobody mentions what time school starts or what time her bus typically picked her up (could she tell basic time?) I google directioned their approximate location and the school. There is 18 km between point A and point B. So that’s approximately 15 minutes on the bus, direct, in an on average 80km speed zone through a very rural part of the community.

jmo/moo

 

[Occam's Zebra]

This is the part of that statement that haunts me, as well as him saying the back pack will be brown now and jack would have taken off his pull up.
Surely he didn't think he needed to tell trained searchers " it could be brown now" cause otherwise they might miss it.
it sort of feels a little like excuse making, or because he said from the beginning he wanted borders to be on the lookout ( abduction) thats why you didn't find it,

His comments remind me of something I've heard before - that people who are lying sometimes tell bits of the truth. I have wondered from the beginning if, sadly, the kids are buried somewhere with the backpack (so it's now brown from the dirt) and if Jack will be found without his pull up. IMHO MOO and all the rest.

 

[CityKid]

I wish we knew more about this backpack… If it was specifically her school backpack, or more of a play-time backpack? (Was that addressed and I missed it? Was it specifically her school backpack?) I am curious because my child has more than one backpack- one for school, and a couple more flimsy ones that are of the drawstring variety, that she brings along on a walk or hike (in case we find treasures like great acorns, leaves, rocks, bugs etc).

If we knew what kind of backpack it is, we might be able to speculate about Lily’s intentions. Thought she would walk to school? Thought she would go on a nature walk around the yard? Something else?

IMO I wish we had a photo of Lilly wearing the backpack so we knew it actually existed.

 

[Occam's Zebra]

All forthcoming JMO

As yet, no one has been named a POI in this baffling, brain-breaking case. One child vanishing is so common, sadly. Two is shocking, at least to me.

As far as I can tell, LE have yet to shift their operational stance away from search/recovery to criminal investigation.

I've read every post and all media provided, watched the related videos. I have no gut impression either way about DM beyond that he seems Iike a blue collar laborer who struggles to earn money, lives in a hard-scrabble home/environment and - until just a couple of weeks ago - helps support a family of five, two of them biologically unrelated to him.

"I will hold that to my last day on this planet." IMO, he may fully understand that, for the rest of his life, no matter the outcome of this case, he will live under the suspicion of having been instrumental in the disappearance of Lilly and Jack. Social media is a quick study that way. His words could simply have come from that awareness.

Regarding the mom, I have an unshakeable queasiness around the fact that she left. I don't understand that choice, so it bothers me.

But let's say, hypothetically, LE shifts to a criminal investigation and both adults in that home come to be viewed/identified as persons of interest. What possible motive could there be to get rid of these two children? And what possible "plan" could let them think they could get away it?

IFs and WHYs, only that. I'm trying to understand what could have happened, as it seems nearly impossible that Lilly and Jack will be found alive.

As far as we know, the last time someone else saw the children was Tuesday afternoon when the bus dropped them off. They did not have school on Wednesday and they were kept home on Thursday because Lilly had a cough. It appeared they also were being kept home from school Friday.

If we are skeptical about them walking out the door Friday morning, the question is not only what motive the adults had for disappearing the children, but why did they choose Friday morning to report them missing. IMHO something was scheduled or expected later Friday or on the weekend where other people would see the kids, so they needed to be reported missing before whatever that event was.

The mother leaving that house and cutting off contact with the stepdad is a giant red flag for me. Unless she did it because she felt he is responsible for the kids walking out of the house that morning - i.e., he yelled at Lilly or refused to get out of bed and help the older kids while the mom stayed with the baby. And she couldn't throw him out because it's his mother's property - so she left.

 

[AddyFinch]

When I learned the backpack was missing, the detail struck me as very odd as well because IMO it is a personal extension of the student and not a “toy” (unless the student gets a new one and the old one is repurposed.) That’s the way we rolled when my kids were growing up. The lunch bag was stored in the backpack once it was cleaned out, along with the Agenda (parent/teach communication medium) after it was read and signed.

It’s shopped for as part of the back-to-school items. It’s chosen like it would be a coat. It’s a personal reflection of the owner and it’s something the student can immediately recognized. So, like part of their school uniform, and IMO it has this intrinsic boundary attached to it as to it’s purpose.

This is why the morning narrative never made sense to me as it even being part of a non-school day. If non-school day, it would be dormant. A school day would be routine, would encompass making lunches and packing them into the backpack. At this age, it’s the parent who packs it, not the student unless they are retrieving their lunch/putting them back after lunch (teachers pack what is going home with the student, i.e., art).

If Jack didn’t have to have his own backpack at that age (pre-primary is voluntary), does that mean Lilly would pack his lunch to school for him? Why the mention of only one backpack?

If Lilly decisively decided she was going to school that day, then she was either too early or she missed the bus because the bus driver would not stop for the kids if they were not at their stop. Especially not in an 80km speed zone with a soft shoulder. As well, he would never allow them onto the bus unless a parent/known guardian was with them. Most importantly, as part of the routine, she would have made her lunch and evidence of that would have been something to indicate her intentions that morning before setting out.

Nobody mentions what time school starts or what time her bus typically picked her up (could she tell basic time?) I google directioned their approximate location and the school. There is 18 km between point A and point B. So that’s approximately 15 minutes on the bus, direct, in an on average 80km speed zone through a very rural part of the community.

jmo/moo

Very thoughtful insight!

 

[AddyFinch]

As far as we know, the last time someone else saw the children was Tuesday afternoon when the bus dropped them off. They did not have school on Wednesday and they were kept home on Thursday because Lilly had a cough. It appeared they also were being kept home from school Friday.

If we are skeptical about them walking out the door Friday morning, the question is not only what motive the adults had for disappearing the children, but why did they choose Friday morning to report them missing. IMHO something was scheduled or expected later Friday or on the weekend where other people would see the kids, so they needed to be reported missing before whatever that event was.

The mother leaving that house and cutting off contact with the stepdad is a giant red flag for me. Unless she did it because she felt he is responsible for the kids walking out of the house that morning - i.e., he yelled at Lilly or refused to get out of bed and help the older kids while the mom stayed with the baby. And she couldn't throw him out because it's his mother's property - so she left.

goggle this on alternate sites and you will get your answer.

 

[AddyFinch]

Agreed.

Also even if he was in the country I think it’d be quite easy to rule him out if they didn’t have a speaking relationship with the mother..

As he’d have presumed both were in school at this time on a Friday so why would he be attempting to abduct them then..

All assuming they went "missing" at that time frame, but only parents have given time line, which might actually be two days prior. IMHO establishing relationship status, is important in this case, with all close family and friends.

 

[Harrycarry]

When was the last update from the RCMP: May 18? If the ground search ended Sunday, does that mean the cops are drilling down on another angle: the parents or an abduction?
I'm still unclear on when these two children were last seen. The parents say Monday morning but we only have their word. When was the last time the kids were scene by someone else before that date?

 

[shetalksinstereo]

When was the last update from the RCMP: May 18? If the ground search ended Sunday, does that mean the cops are drilling down on another angle: the parents or an abduction?
I'm still unclear on when these two children were last seen. The parents say Monday morning but we only have their word. When was the last time the kids were scene by someone else before that date?

I thought the bus driver saw them on Tuesday, but I would like to know the last time they were seen by ANYONE other than the mother and her bf, between Tues and Friday.

 

[aggiekel2005]

The backpack is nagging me. I can’t put my finger on it but its one of the things that don’t add up to me ( well most in this case doesn’t so there we go).

If they wandered off taking backpack would be somewhat logical. Maybe Lilly didn’t know that she will not go to school or was upset that she will not.

As of staging backpack it doesn’t make sense to me either IMO because if backpack was staged as of “oh they left look she took backpack with her” . The story would have been a bit different perhaps .

Just pondering I guess

Another thing I wonder is how common it is for a parent of missing child not to speak up to the media? Most of the cases that I followed parents spoke to the media. I know it’s not necessity as long as they are cooperating with LE.

Maybe staging isn't the right choice of words here. I said it seemed staged in an earlier post, but after considering it, I don't believe it was staged per se but rather the backpack (if confirmed she actually owned said backpack) was disposed of to hide evidence and the story of Lily taking the backpack with her is a cover for the backpack also being missing.

 

[AddyFinch]

Well RCMP must be holding their cards pretty close to chest, or there is zero evidence to proceed. Whether abduction or murder, this could be a perfect crime... til someone talks. I can't believe in 3 weeks, there hasn't been credible leads. And maybe it's time for an RCMP news conference, to shake things up. Or shake people up. Where is Dylan Ehers? Five years and nothing. Or here in Ontario, a Down syndrome 49 yr old man Nathan, missing for two years, in a city filled with cameras ??? How do these things happen? Sure some can be blamed on misadventure, but where are the bodies?

 

[AddyFinch]

I thought the bus driver saw them on Tuesday, but I would like to know the last time they were seen by ANYONE other than the mother and her bf, between Tues and Friday.

According to news last person to see kids was bus driver when he dropped them off Tuesday. Unless someone unknown to us has validated their existence after that (other than mother and step father). I wonder if they had cameras on house or property? Or properties in vicinity?