CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #2

[iamafiusny]

SBM

From mum's interview

"we're looking outside, we're looking everywhere yelling for them".

We have no clue that they didn't go to grandma's.

Dad did say he jumped on atv and was driving down dirt roads and checking culverts, then came back and started searching.

So I stand by that would not be my first thought. I think gma, following a cute animal into a neighbor yard, trying to walk to school before any of that.

Definitely possible mom went to gmas but they never mention it.

Moo

 

[musicaljoke]

This is exactly what I've been thinking about the boot print. Did they know it was left that morning? Could the weather have meant it was actually days older?

MOO

The weather might point in a particular direction, especially if it had been cold enough to have frost on the ground when the kids were outside earlier in the week. Something lead the people to believe the footprint had been left that morning. Perhaps the kids didn't normally play in the back yard. Maybe they played in the front yard.

 

[Andromeda]

I assume by "cabins," he doesn't mean a literal cabin/property. Maybe a smaller structure? But for what purpose IDK. Opinion only.

If I’m correct, they would be rustic in nature. They would be primarily used in the fall for hunting. Outside of hunting season, such as in the summertime, the family might have used the structures for camping/fishing if there are any streams nearby. Why, imo, DM says “..usually as far as we take them”.

jmo/moo

 

[CityKid]

Also can't prove it was Jack or Lily that left that imprint, even if it matches their boots.

Moo

IMO I'd expect one than one print if two children were walking in an area where footprints could be left (i.e. muddy ground).

 

[Chimera]

I don't think anyone here has stated that. DM and MBM reported two of her children missing, and MOO it's natural for them to fall under scrutiny first as the last people to have seen the children. Per this document from the U.S. DOJ, "Most often, child abductions are committed by family members who are seeking to interfere with a parent's custodial rights."

https://www.ojp.gov/sites/g/files/xyckuh241/files/media/document/170022.pdf

Agreed.
At this time I'm fairly certain bio dad has been checked out and cleared ?
Imo.

 

[musicaljoke]

I wonder why his first decision was to jump on atv and search culverts etc if they never go into the woods or cross the road.

Moo

Because he was looking for the kids. No Stone Unturned. When one's kids are missing a parent will look frantically everywhere! They will look in places where a kid can't possibly be ... in the culvert, in the cupboards, in the woodpile, in the vehicle, down the road ... everywhere. Every parent knows that the kids can be exactly where they might never go.

 

[Snoop Sister]

The police will only tell you what they WANT you to know.

The rest? Not your business.

That’s how it works in Canada.

Exactly!!

 

[iamafiusny]

Because he was looking for the kids. No Stone Unturned. When one's kids are missing a parent will look frantically everywhere! They will look in places where a kid can't possibly be ... in the culvert, in the cupboards, in the woodpile, in the vehicle, down the road ... everywhere. Every parent knows that the kids can be exactly where they might never go.

Yes... eventually.

Logically you would start close and work your way out.

You start with places you think the kids might go like familiar play areas, friends houses, trying to get to school.

Moo

 

[Jenna80]

Would they have brought the cadaver dogs in by now?

 

[Snoop Sister]

Also can't prove it was Jack or Lily that left that imprint, even if it matches their boots.

Moo

Agreed yes! At the press conference, (link posted many times) that it appeared to be a small boot print. Not that it was definitively.

This is a quote from the Staff Sergeant at the press conference regarding a possible boot print - the possibility of a smaller boot print. (23:33 on link)

BBM.

“STAFF SERGEANT - Yeah, so at one point, there was a possible boot impression found, and I can tell you that the search and rescuers then performed grid searches of that area and expanded out from that area in a meticulous fashion. They're focused in tight searches, and nothing else was found.

REPORTER - And do you believe that the evidence you found was of the children?

STAFF SERGEANT - It appeared it was a possible boot print of a... a smaller boot print. So when we have a possibility like that, that's when we exhaust that area as well to make sure that that wasn't a clue that we were missing.”

RCMP press conference: Search for missing N.S. children scaled back

The Nova Scotia RCMP says the search for two missing children in Pictou County will be scaled back. Here’s the full press conference from RCMP on May 7, 2025.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[iamafiusny]

Absolutely THIS!! ∆∆∆∆

If I'm honest, I'm finding it a little frustrating reading these posts where "well known" Websleuth members are continually asking for more information..It has been said time and time again that RCMP keep their cards close to their chests, they do not hold regular pressers, they don't give out snippets and they ABSOLUTELY know what they are doing!
This is CANADA, the whole system operates differently, what may have worked/been apparent/statistics have shown/in previous cases a person may have followed etc does not imply that HERE IN THIS CASE, things will be the same.

Many posts ago, someone asked if anyone knew what day the bins were due to be emptied in this area...great Q.. could there be evidence in the rubbish?
Someone replied with a comment along the lines of.. "I live rurally and here the wagon doesn't come along regularly, one must ring for them"..in the USA!! How is this helpful?

I'm all for discussion and supposing "this or that" but until RCMP issue any more solid facts and information, we have to trust they have searched the entire trailers and their grounds (more than once), spoken to anyone they think could help nearby, checked the laundry baskets and wardrobes for missing clothes they may be wearing etc etc.

Sorry for being a grump..

That was me posting about the garbage and I momentarily forgot it was in Canada which is why I edited my post to state I was in USA. Should have just deleted it, but didn't think about it.

I have full trust in the RCMP. Seems to me they had a good idea on day 1. Jmo.

 

[musicaljoke]

Yes... eventually.

Logically you would start close and work your way out.

You start with places you think the kids might go like familiar play areas, friends houses, trying to get to school.

Moo

Yes, you might. But I would likely search in the place where there was the greatest risk of them getting lost or getting into danger, so I wouldn't search the friends's houses first. I would search the immediate, high risk areas.

When my wee grandson disappeared, I raced down to the water's edge first, then called into the forest and ran around the house, then lastly, searched inside the house. He was hiding in a closet. Had I searched the house first but he was at the shore, it could have had fatal consequences.

Two people might do things in two different ways. There is no need to criticize either one. The only time for criticism is if the parent didn't bother searching.

 

[iamafiusny]

Would they have brought the cadaver dogs in by now?

Stepdad said they were bringing in cadaver dogs and searching the lake, but law enforcement hasn't said anything.

Moo

 

[iamafiusny]

Yes, you might. But I would likely search in the place where there was the greatest risk of them getting lost or getting into danger, so I wouldn't search the friends's houses first. I would search the immediate, high risk areas.

When my wee grandson disappeared, I raced down to the water's edge first, then called into the forest and ran around the house, then lastly, searched inside the house. He was hiding in a closet. Had I searched the house first but he was at the shore, it could have had fatal consequences.

Two people might do things in two different ways. There is no need to criticize either one. The only time for criticism is if the parent didn't bother searching.

I just said i didn't understand it and that with multiple adults on the property they could have been working together.

A nearby water edge is much different than hopping on an atv to check things roads away.

I also know that in rural areas neighbors will drop anything to help in an emergency.

Moo

 

[Chimera]

Has there been any official word from the RCMP since they said they were scaling back the search?

I don't think so, other than the YT link I'd quoted ?
Waiting anxiously, though, and Imo LE know more than they're saying.
Watching what they do more than what they say, as well.
Omo.

 

[AIGT]

Yes... eventually.

Logically you would start close and work your way out.

You start with places you think the kids might go like familiar play areas, friends houses, trying to get to school.

Moo

I think it’s fair to also combine these thoughts you have with some of the things the parents said - for example how many times they said “instantly” did this “instantly” did that. There is a lot of things that appear to be said as if to make them seem like they did a lot and are very worried/protective parents. However in my opinion that doesn’t really fit in with hearing your 4 year old has gotten up on their own and is just doing their own thing in the house with a 6 year old and letting that carry on with no worry while you doze in and out of sleep. Again my opinion only. There can be a reasonable answer for all of these things that don’t add up. But I can’t pretend that these examples aren’t part of a long list of things that give concern.

 

[musicaljoke]

I just said i didn't understand it and that with multiple adults on the property they could have been working together.

A nearby water edge is much different than hopping on an atv to check things roads away.

I also know that in rural areas neighbors will drop anything to help in an emergency.

Moo

Unless he believe the kids may have been picked up and he was checking for vehicles.

 

[Andromeda]

Per the discussions around why/not Amber Alert. The police did alert the local public.
“...
When the children were reported missing, a vulnerable missing persons alert was issued in Pictou County. As the children had not yet been located, a broadcast intrusive alert was issued Saturday at 5:27 p.m. to Antigonish, Colchester and Pictou counties.
...
A vulnerable person often relies on others for care, support or financial assistance. This dependence can stem from various factors, including age (children, elderly), physical or mental disabilities, or other conditions.

What is a broadcast intrusive alert?​

A broadcast intrusive (BI) alert system is a component of Canada’s emergency communication infrastructure designed to reach the public instantly and indiscriminately in times of crisis.

…”

Two children in Nova Scotia are missing. Why wasn't an Amber Alert sent out?

 

[Snoop Sister]

Stepdad said they were bringing in cadaver dogs and searching the lake, but law enforcement hasn't said anything.

Moo

It has been posted and discussed prior that the lake was searched and they didn’t find anything. I am not sure if the cadaver dogs were brought in yet.

 

[iamafiusny]

Unless he believe the kids may have been picked up and he was checking for vehicles.

Maybe but his words were going down dirt roads and checking culverts.

Admittedly I'm making an assumption here that by dirt roads he differentiating between meant for vehicles and that's why he took the atv and not the car.

It could just be that they didn't mention it, but I heard nothing about checking hiding places inside the trailer, talking to gma, asking neighbors, etc


So, as it's been reported, I don't understand the mornings events starting with never seeing Jack.

Moo