Canada - USA Trade War commencing March 2025 #2

[branmuffin]

If we're comparing the price of eggs, I see that Aldi, Britain's cheapest supermarket, will sell me a dozen eggs for £2.39. That's 3.10 USD and 4.43 CAD.

When I had a place in Florida up to 2023 I could get eggs at Aldi for 68 cents! It fluctuated but you never paid more than $1.35. I wonder what they cost in Aldi now?

 

[otto]

Not sure this would help the US egg situation...

Kennedy’s Alarming Prescription for Bird Flu on Poultry Farms​

The health secretary has suggested allowing the virus to spread, so as to identify birds that may be immune. Such an experiment would be disastrous, scientists say.

[...]

Yet veterinary scientists said letting the virus sweep through poultry flocks unchecked would be inhumane and dangerous, and have enormous economic consequences.

“That’s a really terrible idea, for any one of a number of reasons,” said Dr. Gail Hansen, a former state veterinarian for Kansas.

Since January 2022, there have been more than 1,600 outbreaks reported on farms and backyard flocks, occurring in every state. More than 166 million birds have been affected.

Every infection is another opportunity for the virus, called H5N1, to evolve into a more virulent form. Geneticists have been tracking its mutations closely; so far, the virus has not developed the ability to spread among people.

But if H5N1 were to be allowed to run through a flock of five million birds, “that’s literally five million chances for that virus to replicate or to mutate,” Dr. Hansen said.

Large numbers of infected birds are likely to transmit massive amounts of the virus, putting farm workers and other animals at great risk.

[...]

Kennedy’s Alarming Prescription for Bird Flu on Poultry Farms

The health secretary has suggested allowing the virus to spread, so as to identify birds that may be immune. Such an experiment would be disastrous, scientists say.

www.nytimes.com

And while that bird flu spreads, the second bird flu that was detected in the USA this week will also spread. H7N9 was detected at a poultry farm in Miss. this week. That flu spreads to humans and has a 40% mortality rate.

What the USA government Health Secretary is suggesting is herd immunity where 40% of people who are infected are dead.

It also spreads to mammals and cows, which means the USA will not only be asking other countries for eggs, but for dairy products, beef, and softwood lumber for coffins.

March 17, 2025

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/h7n9-us-1.7485468

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

When I had a place in Florida up to 2023 I could get eggs at Aldi for 68 cents! It fluctuated but you never paid more than $1.35. I wonder what they cost in Aldi now?

I just got eggs at Aldi this past weekend. I believe it was $5 or $6. I used to get them there $3.50 or less

 

[JDG]

Canadian folk duo Cassie and Maggie asked about Canadian or U.S. loyalty at bizarre traffic stop in Ohio

While pulled over for distracted driving, the Celtic-music sister duo were asked by Ohio patrol officers about their love for the U.S.

www.theglobeandmail.com

This kind of stuff needs to stop!

1812

 

[Lyanna]

And while that bird flu spreads, the second bird flu that was detected in the USA this week will also spread. H7N9 was detected at a poultry farm in Miss. this week. That flu spreads to humans and has a 40% mortality rate.

What the USA government Health Secretary is suggesting is herd immunity where 40% of people who are infected are dead.

It also spreads to mammals and cows, which means the USA will not only be asking other countries for eggs, but for dairy products, beef, and softwood lumber for coffins.

March 17, 2025

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/h7n9-us-1.7485468

Irresponsible suggestion from a government official.
Geez, can it get any worse

Moo

 

[otto]

Makes me sick, profiting off the hard working people, some who are blindly following this insanity. Who are they going to point the finger at when they lose their job, can't feed their family, lose their homes, can't afford adequate health care, can't live in the "right" catchment areas to educate their children at a good school, where lawlessness is running unchecked on the streets because there's cuts being made to vital public services.
All the while those countries that America has ostracised with their global tariffs have made trade agreements elsewhere, introducing other countries to the table that haven't been considered before, new relationships and allies being forged and America will be watching from the side lines.
Carney sounds like he's doing a good job so far? Long way to go but a hopeful start. Hope that reassures the amazing people of Canada and I hope he continues to fight for his country and it's people.

(Scuse my flitting from one thing to another, too many words in my head and not enough time!)

Moo

I'm impressed with Carney's starting point. He connected with the three foundations of Canada: England, France, Indigenous Peoples with one message: what do you need, how can we help, how can we go forward with strong health trade relationships that include supplying military equipment.

Western Canada needs to hear one more thing: what about new corridors for oil export?

Carney is bang on with his position regarding carbon tax, Poilievre is wrong - his policy prevents trade relationships with the EU.

As for the USA, if the USA Federal Government decides how to respond to the two bird flus circulating in the USA, there will be a bird flu pandemic with a high mortality rate in a few weeks. Pharmaceutical companies will get richer while they scramble to produce a suitable vaccine.

 

[Fabled Automatic]

Canada must be ‘first in line for exemptions’ when more tariffs go into effect on April 2: Ford

Ontario Premier Doug Ford says that U.S. representatives have indicated that they are planning to slap a “global tariff” on trading partners as of April 2, creating a need for Canada to shift its focus to making sure it is “first in line for exemptions.”

www.ctvnews.ca

Ontario Premier Doug Ford says that U.S. trade representatives indicated behind closed doors that they are planning to slap a “global tariff” on trading partners as of April 2, creating a need for Canada to shift its focus to making sure it is “first in line for exemptions.”

Did I miss something between last weeks meeting and today?

Ford secured the meeting with Lutnick last week after agreeing to put a 25 per cent surcharge on the electricity that Ontario supplies to three U.S. states on hold.

Speaking with reporters Tuesday, Ford insisted that if he hadn’t been willing to slap the tax on electricity the “meeting would have never happened” and “we would have been going back and forth, tit for tat” in a perpetual cycle of escalation.


“We left there knowing what the U.S. wants,” he said of the meeting, which was also attended by federal cabinet ministers Dominic LeBlanc and François-Philippe Champagne.

‘We look forward to working through this’

The U.S. has vowed to introduce “reciprocal” tariffs on trading partners on April 2, though it has provided few specifics on what form those may take.

It has also not indicated whether the 25 per cent tariff on Canadian and Mexican goods that was put on hold for a month will be reinstated.

Speaking with reporters, Ford said that he believes that the U.S. is poised to introduce tariffs “right across the board” and not just on Canada and Mexico.

So, first Ford said that the whole "pausing for a month" wasn't good enough. That we need to be done with this nonsense.

Then he says the meeting wouldn't have happened if he didn't threaten to surcharge their hydro.

Now, the US is still going ahead with their tariffs, our hydro surcharge is still on pause, and Ford's response is, "Well at least it isn't just us. Hopefully we'll catch a break."

Thanks for coming out, Doug...

 

[otto]

This cannot possibly be legal.

Businesses are required to keep employee records and payroll information for years on end. How on earth can these illegally fired employes document their prior job duties and salaries when they go looking for new jobs?

I hope there is some mechanism whereby these unfairly fired employees can sure the DOGE group in a class action lawsuit for their loss of funds as well as intentional destruction of employment records.

Of course - but why was the USA government unable to find the bird flu and nuclear safety scientists shortly after they were fired? The only thing that makes sense is that DOGE wiped out all information related to them.

 

[branmuffin]

ICYMI: “Trump’s tariffs are saving the American steel industry”

The American steel industry will be “reinvigorated” by President Donald J. Trump’s tariffs on steel imports, writes Steel Manufacturers Association

www.whitehouse.gov

My dad has his own business using steel. He preferred steel made from iron ore rather than scrap metal because of the business he was in. He said steel made from scrap metal isn't as strong as that made from iron ore and creates metal fatigue when you need tensile strength. His preferred steel was from Germany and Sweden. The US has closed a lot of mines, currently most are around the Great Lakes, which is where most steel mills were; Indiana, Michigan, Ohio. You shouldn't be pissing off trade partners where you need iron ore. Most of US steel is made from scrap metal now. It's a great way to recycle but the impurities in it can cause metal fatigue.

 

[Betty P]

I'm gonna guess next we hear some noise about a toll to traverse the Bering Strait coming from the threatener-in-chief.

He probably will demand tolls be paid directly to a company owned by one of his kids.

 

[otto]

Did I miss something between last weeks meeting and today?



So, first Ford said that the whole "pausing for a month" wasn't good enough. That we need to be done with this nonsense.

Then he says the meeting wouldn't have happened if he didn't threaten to surcharge their hydro.

Now, the US is still going ahead with their tariffs, our hydro surcharge is still on pause, and Ford's response is, "Well at least it isn't just us. Hopefully we'll catch a break."

Thanks for coming out, Doug...

Doug Ford is somewhat out of line. If he wants to add a surcharge to Ontario energy, that's his business. He is not a spokesperson for Canada, no one appointed him to discuss the trade war with the USA government. He took it upon himself to try to stop the 25% USA tariff on Ontario with the surcharge. He paused that surcharge, what he does next is his choice.

He should step back and let the new prime minister step into the role.

Carney's government is ready to have discussions with the USA government about CUSMA (and tariffs) as soon as there is a guarantee that the USA government will stop using profanity, insults and threats.

 

[Betty P]

My dad has his own business using steel. He preferred steel made from iron ore rather than scrap metal because of the business he was in. He said steel made from scrap metal isn't as strong as that made from iron ore and creates metal fatigue when you need tensile strength. His preferred steel was from Germany and Sweden. The US has closed a lot of mines, currently most are around the Great Lakes, which is where most steel mills were; Indiana, Michigan, Ohio. You shouldn't be pissing off trade partners where you need iron ore. Most of US steel is made from scrap metal now. It's a great way to recycle but the impurities in it can cause metal fatigue.

Yes, pretty sure we have an OG steel mill in Cleveland.

Cleveland-Cliffs - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Cleveland

Cleveland is home to one of the most productive integrated steelmaking facilities in the world.

www.clevelandcliffs.com

 

[SouthAussie]

Of course - but why was the USA government unable to find the bird flu and nuclear safety scientists shortly after they were fired? The only thing that makes sense is that DOGE wiped out all information related to them.

And his junior computer experts don't know how to retrieve deleted information? Something forensic experts do all the time for police investigations.

Maybe they don't want to find the information? Or maybe they are deleting so much information (federal website data, Arlington Cemetery data, agency data, etc etc) that they don't know where to start looking because it might be an overwhelming task.

imo

 

[imstilla.grandma]

 

[SouthAussie]

Carney has a plan! Partnering with Australia to protect Canada's North coast.

The USA government is going to be so angry that they will lash out at Canada again before the end of the day. What will it be this time???

"Prime Minister Mark Carney announced investments into the military's infrastructure and presence in the Arctic and into Nunavut infrastructure while visiting its capital of Iqaluit on Tuesday — the first domestic trip of his leadership of Canada.

Carney announced Canada will be working alongside Australia to build an early warning radar system along the Canada-U.S. border into the Arctic. Canada is investing more than $6 billion into the project, money that was already outlined in the modernization plan for the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) announced in 2022.
...

The federal government says it's also investing $420 million in new money to protect Canada's sovereignty of land, water and sea. The money will allow the Canadian Armed Forces to have a "greater, sustained and year-round" presence in the Arctic, and will expand its training and deployment in the North, the release said."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/canada-early-warning-detection-arctic-1.7486640

Australia sure is keeping this quiet in our MSM. I totally believe it as we have very good radar systems here and our own lifestyle is very similar to the Canadian lifestyle in many ways. We feel a Commonwealth kinship. But I can't find a word about it in our own MSM.

At the moment, I think we are keeping our heads down while continuing to try to negotiate with the Trump administration. And while still helping our overseas allies as much as we can.

imo

 

[branmuffin]

Putin Trump Agreement

Putin questioned Ukraine's ability to negotiate in good faith? Bwaaa. Good one, you murdering b********.

 

[Trooper]

OMG deranged, deranged as we know, now this.

Good God Almighty, RFK's obsession with his peculiar idea of eugenics.... his sort of revere Darwinism... throw the chooks up in the air and whichever doesn't get up after is selected for breeding... It's like the old days of drowning non subservient women, if they survived, they were not witches, if the drowned.. well. they were, see??


He is the one person who is truly frightening, because he is a fanatic, and a walking talking non stop Dunning Kruger prime example.

 

[branmuffin]

Not sure this would help the US egg situation...

Kennedy’s Alarming Prescription for Bird Flu on Poultry Farms​

The health secretary has suggested allowing the virus to spread, so as to identify birds that may be immune. Such an experiment would be disastrous, scientists say.

[...]

Yet veterinary scientists said letting the virus sweep through poultry flocks unchecked would be inhumane and dangerous, and have enormous economic consequences.

“That’s a really terrible idea, for any one of a number of reasons,” said Dr. Gail Hansen, a former state veterinarian for Kansas.

Since January 2022, there have been more than 1,600 outbreaks reported on farms and backyard flocks, occurring in every state. More than 166 million birds have been affected.

Every infection is another opportunity for the virus, called H5N1, to evolve into a more virulent form. Geneticists have been tracking its mutations closely; so far, the virus has not developed the ability to spread among people.

But if H5N1 were to be allowed to run through a flock of five million birds, “that’s literally five million chances for that virus to replicate or to mutate,” Dr. Hansen said.

Large numbers of infected birds are likely to transmit massive amounts of the virus, putting farm workers and other animals at great risk.

[...]

Kennedy’s Alarming Prescription for Bird Flu on Poultry Farms

The health secretary has suggested allowing the virus to spread, so as to identify birds that may be immune. Such an experiment would be disastrous, scientists say.

www.nytimes.com

It sounds like the truth test during the Salem witch trials. They tied you to a chair then dunked you in a lake. If you drowned you were innocent. If you lived you were a witch. I guess the US should be lucky the man is showing just what a whack job he is early on. God forbid another virus to affect humans comes along.

 

[otto]

Australia sure is keeping this quiet in our MSM. I totally believe it as we have very good radar systems here and our own lifestyle is very similar to the Canadian lifestyle in many ways. We feel a Commonwealth kinship. But I can't find a word about it in our own MSM.

At the moment, I think we are keeping our heads down while continuing to try to negotiate with the Trump administration. And while still helping our overseas allies as much as we can.

imo

It might be because it is not a new initiative. It's being re-announced with emphasis on shortening the timeline and making the projects more economical. Trudeau put the plan in place.

 

[Trooper]

Australia sure is keeping this quiet in our MSM. I totally believe it as we have very good radar systems here and our own lifestyle is very similar to the Canadian lifestyle in many ways. We feel a Commonwealth kinship. But I can't find a word about it in our own MSM.

At the moment, I think we are keeping our heads down while continuing to try to negotiate with the Trump administration. And while still helping our overseas allies as much as we can.

imo

Yes AU appears to be keeping a low profile. AU agrees totally with the retaliatory tariffs of Canada, it has chosen a slightly different path, let Trump tariff himself into a standstill, we refuse to play and we'll up our sales to China, Simples.. He can whirl around ... we'll watch and wait. MEANWHILE, we'll be backing Ukraine, South Africa, Mexico ,, Panama and Canada. , a Two State solution with Palestine, and whomsoever Trumps little porky eyes happen to fall upon.