Canada - USA Trade War commencing March 2025

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Unfortunately, many Americans believe that Canada is 'taking advantage' of the USA.

I don't see how you have to say "many" Americans. EVERYTHING is now being converted to absolute $$$signs, so it is more specifically Americans who are being fed and believe the new Narrative.

"all these countries are ripping us off", is not the answer to everything, over the history of the US. But it is all we will hear from now on.

What are Canadians going to do about this?
Will they quit snow-birding to Florida?
Will they quit summering the whole coast of Maine? In Summer, every other licence plate is Canadian!
Are there really truly products that you cannot live without on a personal level?

It will be interesting....
Feel free to speak up Northern Friends!! Many MORE Americans really want to know what you are thinking.
I am very Southern,,, Antarctica southern, from Sydney, AU, and I am fascinated by the folks in my suburb , an inner east south harbour one, chokablok with conservatives , who have taken to being offended by the USA to heights never imagined... to even speak about Canada, a brotherly commonwealth country of ours, in the manner of a 🤬🤬🤬🤬, it just infuriates them... people checking the labels on supermarket stuff, now discarded two countries products with practised ease... ( you know the other one )

People too ashamed to drive their Tesla out the driveway, .. no. they'll take the scooter instead. And to just unilaterally dismiss a Free Trade Agreement, just like that, and impose %25 tarriffs...no discussion.. OK then..Australia can get along ok with out US imported goods , we live in the geopolitical realm of the greatest markets in the world, billions of customers, China, India, East Asia, Malaysia, Indonesia, Phillipines, Africa, markets that rely on our wheat, and Iron Ore, Gold and the highest grade Coal... then there is the food we ship to Europe in their winter, ( our summer) ..meat, aluminium... ( it's our summer here now, that's why the cherries and grapes are so delicious , try an AU avocado, it knocks a Californian one right out of the arena)

We intend to buy all the potash Canada will sell us, we don't produce that AS YET< there is terrific mining exploration going on, in WA and some signs of huge deposits, but any excess we can sell to China, don't be giving me the commie guff, China is about as capitalist as it can get, and booming with it. China is a very lucrative and reasonable trade partner to Australia, and has been for many years,

Every now and then we have a rogue politician who shoots off at the mouth and puts China offside, but then we repair the damage and resettle the trade, because this is in China's interest and ours, China won't suffer much by it's export trade slowing down to the USA< it has the Belt and Road system up and running and that gives it entree to the ENTIRE of Europe as well as Asia.. without shipping costs, it all goes on rail containers, from Beijing to Barcelona and all points inbetween. It won't suffer very much by not importing stuff from the usa either, it has trade treaties all over the world. Working ones, that countries are comfortable with. Trump's blithering wont affect them at all , hardly.

I fear intensely for Americans, not just the trade stuff, that 's a real hardship , although AMerican ingenuity is always bubbling away there, the USA has been given no lead time to set up businesses to replace the imports, so things will be awkward.. the thing I fear the most, is the health stuff, the wierd and , to me, criminal dismissal of science in medicine that is prevailing currently in the usa, .. such an unnecessary hardship, and ultimately, a fatal one for those most vulnerable.....
 
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Canada has the second largest oil reserves in the world. Meantime, their population is 0.5% (half of one percent) of the world. In $ terms, Canada's biggest export to the US by far is crude oil at 128 Billion $ in 2023; virtually all of that travelled by pipe. Most of those pipelines are less than 30 years old.
Canada Exports to United States - 2025 Data 2026 Forecast 1989-2023 Historical
Pipelines containing Liquid and Gaseous hydrocarbon fuels cross the border from Canada to the states of:
Washington; Idaho; Montana; North Dakota; Minnesota; Michigan; Ohio; New York and Vermont. That fuel is processed and then delivered throughout the 48 states...
As it crosses the border, those fuels only flow in one direction and it ain't north. There are 20000 miles of pipeline in the province of Alberta alone.
Originally DT was going to apply 25% to this flow; more recent talks have centered around 10%. But why is he talking in terms of a 51st state? I would submit those reserves are the answer....

Gas lines have compressor stations. Liquid lines have pumping stations. Many of those are in Canada and mainly they are engine driven. They require considerable maintenance. The network has represented a model for the rest of the world in terms of cross border relations. If not for those pipes, there would be a need for the US to import a similar volume of oil, via ship, landing at ports like Philadelphia and New Orleans. Some of it would come out of Alaska but even those terminals are connected to pipelines in Canada.
When I was too young to understand why, the US made Canadians annoyed about something to do with the province of Quebec. The threat you heard in taverns in Canada: "Turn off the tap, let the Yankee ***holes freeze in the dark...." That has even greater context and impact today.

So, does the US Consumer prefer $8/gal gasoline from the Middle East? Or Russia?

MOO only, though facts is facts
 
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I found this interview very interesting. Christiane Amanpour of CNN interviewed Melanie Joly, the Foreign Minister of Canada, and apparently the Trump administration is demanding much more than the public here in the US realizes. There are demands in many spheres that would be a grave insult to the sovereignty of any country.


Talk that the US (read Trump) wants to kick Canada out of 5eyes? Come on Canada, turn it up a notch. Put the heat on DJT and End this madness.
 
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this is just so so true..... and yet all our time is being spent jerking to his jerking around.
He just loves chaos...and is a big part of his "platform".

Essentially, I just want him to stick with his tariffs... just so we all really seen how much gets screwed up. Seriously, we have all seen how parts and processes are just so merged everywhere.... getting things built takes such coordination within and among all three countries.... There is just so much back and forth with certain product sects---making cars is the obvious big example....

I just really hope Canada can do without us, just fine.....

Canada will do just fine. Canada exports enough essentials to the US, that most of the markets will remain in place in spite of steep price increases. Already alternate markets are in place where Canadian products are more vulnerable. Canada has been moving toward less reliance on the American market for a long time now.

Canada doesn't pay the Trump induced tariffs; the American people do, so they are hurt the most by this ridiculous trade war. I'd cheer for leaving the tariffs in place too, but as vital supplies are diverted or made much more expensive, families will lose their jobs, their medical plans and their homes. People will suffer, and that ought to be avoided. At least Canada has a strong social safety net to get us through times like this. And Canadians stand in unity across the country. Canadians understand tariffs and how they impact the economy. The US doesn't have any of that.
 
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This kind of bizarre behaviour can come from numerous tihngs.

Not being his diagnostician, I shall reserve judgement.

Everyone jumps to dementia but that is an umbrella term for a number of illnesses too.

I hope he’s not unwell but it seems highly likely. IMO


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during his first administration there was a lot of talk about his state of health and his dr and tests he took. there has been none of that this go round. he does look "refreshed" which I thought was due to excitement about being Pres again, but the media says it is plastic surgery.

Donald Trump's plastic surgery 'costs exposed'

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Donald Trump is believed to have splashed out a significant amount on cosmetic procedures, even more than his wife, according to a plastic surgeon's estimates.
 
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I belong to a FB group with 1.2 million members, started by Canadians to find Canadian products. American friends have joined up and the posts that tear me up are from our American friends, apologizing for what DT has done to Canada, telling us how much they care for their Canadian friends, and swearing to buy Canadian as much as they possibly can.

Oh, and annex Canada? Hmm ... Canada's population is 40,000,000+, 80 to 85% of whom are of voting age. Turf all those 32,000,000 potential voters into a 51st state with a population almost the size of Texas and I do believe somebody might have a tch of a problem at the polls down the road ;)
 
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Talk that the US (read Trump) wants to kick Canada out of 5eyes? Come on Canada, turn it up a notch. Put the heat on DJT and End this madness.
Let the USA go.. Au NZ, Canada, Britain will be better off without disinformation. Sifting thru the fantasy world that DT inhabits wastes a lot of time, ... I reckon China should be invited.. If for no other reason than they have the biggest army, navy and airforce in the world, and an incredibly disciplined one , as well... besides, with all that fentanyl dripping around in the USA, buckets of it being allowed in by USA border patrol , probably for a kickback, it's bound to be pervasive among the USA military, which makes them unreliable in ways that defy description....imo.
 
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Just for facts here; just compare those numbers below:
To Canada from USA to those of
From Canada TO USA ...

Me thinks someone has munfactured himself a border crisis on his northern border!! Fentanyl comes FROM China at the outset yet China got hit with mere 10% tariffs.

It's all just a smokeshow ... more likely, the tariffs on Canada actually have to do with, as Trump stated, him "going to bring our economy to ruin in order to make us his beloved 51st state."



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CBSA
US Customs and Border Protection
USCBP dot gov - Frontline Against Fentanyl

So, it's not about fentanyl (obvious by the stats) and the Trump-manufactured crisis on the northern border.

Nor is it about "Unfair Trade".

Fact: Trump didn't like NAFTA so as #45, Trump himself enacted tariffs (and Canada retaliated to them too, which US farmers till haven't recovered from).

Fact: Trump then designed, signed and implemented the USMCA in 2020.

Now: Trump breaches his VERY OWN signed deal by slamming 25% tariffs onto Canada. Canada then retaliates with 25% tariffs of their own. Yet -- "WE" Canadians are the problem? LOL. Such a great revisionist skillset.

Fact: If trade and a "fair deal" was what Trump is actually after, then why didn't he call Canada and Mexico to the table to re-do his very own deal?

Because that's not what it's about. The proof is in the pudding - today he delayed tariffs against Mexico which is obviously where the fentanyl x-border crisis is. He's only got 10% against China from where he knows the fentanyl originates.

It's all about annexation of us as the 51st State ... for our land and natural resources. He said it himself. He keeps saying it. How very, very democratic and diplomatic that isn't!!

Canadians aren't and won't take it laying down. Our country is not split 50/50.On this, we are united.

Apparently he ain't the "deal maker" he makes himself out to be.

Facts matter. Trump's alternate facts do not.


Elbows up.
do not disagree with you but as a point he has added 10% more tariffs on china's already 10% for a total of 20%


United States Imposes New Tariffs on Canada, Mexico, ...​

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https://www.dentons.com › insights › alerts › march › un...




2 days ago — Following the February 4, 2025, imposition of 10% tariffs on Chinese imports, the U.S. has announced an additional 10% tariff on China.
 
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do not disagree with you but as a point he has added 10% more tariffs on china's already 10% for a total of 20%

United States Imposes New Tariffs on Canada, Mexico, ...

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Dentons
https://www.dentons.com › insights › alerts › march › un...




2 days ago — Following the February 4, 2025, imposition of 10% tariffs on Chinese imports, the U.S. has announced an additional 10% tariff on China.
Thanks! I missed that it was an 'increae'. Still less than the 25% on Canada given that China is actually where the probem lays.
 
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I belong to a FB group with 1.2 million members, started by Canadians to find Canadian products. American friends have joined up and the posts that tear me up are from our American friends, apologizing for what DT has done to Canada, telling us how much they care for their Canadian friends, and swearing to buy Canadian as much as they possibly can.

Oh, and annex Canada? Hmm ... Canada's population is 40,000,000+, 80 to 85% of whom are of voting age. Turf all those 32,000,000 potential voters into a 51st state with a population almost the size of Texas and I do believe somebody might have a tch of a problem at the polls down the road ;)

Is there a likeminded FB group on how Americans can find Canadian products in America? I'd like to do my part to speed things along. :cool:
 
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Canada has the second largest oil reserves in the world. Meantime, their population is 0.5% (half of one percent) of the world. In $ terms, Canada's biggest export to the US by far is crude oil at 128 Billion $ in 2023; virtually all of that travelled by pipe. Most of those pipelines are less than 30 years old.
Canada Exports to United States - 2025 Data 2026 Forecast 1989-2023 Historical
Pipelines containing Liquid and Gaseous hydrocarbon fuels cross the border from Canada to the states of:
Washington; Idaho; Montana; North Dakota; Minnesota; Michigan; Ohio; New York and Vermont. That fuel is processed and then delivered throughout the 48 states...
As it crosses the border, those fuels only flow in one direction and it ain't north. There are 20000 miles of pipeline in the province of Alberta alone.
Originally DT was going to apply 25% to this flow; more recent talks have centered around 10%. But why is he talking in terms of a 51st state? I would submit those reserves are the answer....

Gas lines have compressor stations. Liquid lines have pumping stations. Many of those are in Canada and mainly they are engine driven. They require considerable maintenance. The network has represented a model for the rest of the world in terms of cross border relations. If not for those pipes, there would be a need for the US to import a similar volume of oil, via ship, landing at ports like Philadelphia and New Orleans. Some of it would come out of Alaska but even those terminals are connected to pipelines in Canada.
When I was too young to understand why, the US made Canadians annoyed about something to do with the province of Quebec. The threat you heard in taverns in Canada: "Turn off the tap, let the Yankee ***holes freeze in the dark...." That has even greater context and impact today.

So, does the US Consumer prefer $8/gal gasoline from the Middle East? Or Russia?

MOO only, though facts is facts
One big issue is that each province controls it's own natural resources.

Tell Albertans that the oil sands contain 'Canadian oil' and they'll throw you into the steer wrestling ring.

Alberta has been seriously flirting with the idea of independence since the 2010s, I believe that's where the whole 51st state idea came from. The current premier was head of the Independence Party, until they merged with the conservatives in 2014 to fight their arch-enemy, the Trudeau dynasty...

But whatever glee she felt after the US election, she can't express her support for Trump now, not even on Fox News.

JMO
 
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This is a great example of the impact of imposing significant economic polity changes in the form of tariffs, without a professional assessment of the impact of the changes, of the goals of the changes, without proper consideration of notifications and role-out processes to make the changes as responsible and accountable as they should be.

And this is just one small businessman whose restaurant business relies on readily available Mexican produce. It really emphasizes how much of a clown car this administration is and how disruptive this is to all levels of business of all sizes. Unable to accurately predict the impact of changes in costs, labor availability, this fellow can't even figure out what to tell his customers.

 
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Is there a likeminded FB group on how Americans can find Canadian products in America? I'd like to do my part to speed things along. :cool:

I volunteer to buy lots of fine Canadian Maple Syrup products.
 
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I love Canadian mussels.

Aldi has them in sometimes and they're the best I've ever tried.
 
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One big issue is that each province controls it's own natural resources.

Tell Albertans that the oil sands contain 'Canadian oil' and they'll throw you into the steer wrestling ring.

Alberta has been seriously flirting with the idea of independence since the 2010s, I believe that's where the whole 51st state idea came from. The current premier was head of the Independence Party, until they merged with the conservatives in 2014 to fight their arch-enemy, the Trudeau dynasty...

But whatever glee she felt after the US election, she can't express her support for Trump now, not even on Fox News.
I won’t be throwing anyone into the steer wrestling ring, thanks.
As an Albertan I fear you are over-generalizing all Albertans as separatists and this is not so. Nor do I think DS was gleeful, except insofar as the fact that traditionally, republican presidents have been more positively disposed toward Alberta’s energy industry.
Moo
 
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Unfortunately, many Americans believe that Canada is 'taking advantage' of the USA.

I don't see how you have to say "many" Americans. EVERYTHING is now being converted to absolute $$$signs, so it is more specifically Americans who are being fed and believe the new Narrative.

"all these countries are ripping us off", is not the answer to everything, over the history of the US. But it is all we will hear from now on.

What are Canadians going to do about this?
Will they quit snow-birding to Florida?
Will they quit summering the whole coast of Maine? In Summer, every other licence plate is Canadian!
Are there really truly products that you cannot live without on a personal level?

It will be interesting....
Feel free to speak up Northern Friends!! Many MORE Americans really want to know what you are thinking.
There is so much targeted "we are victims" propaganda (coming from the USA government) that it's easy to understand why many not only feel like victims of migrants, Canada, Ukraine and so on, but they are celebrating that the USA is warring with those same people. Propaganda is a tool used by authoritarian governments throughout history to unify the population against an identifiable "bad guy". First migrants were the bad guy, now Canadians and Ukrainians are added to that group. We're all bad guys who are cheating the USA - according to propaganda. Read about populism to better understand the bigger picture, which does not bode well.

"Their defining characteristic is a claim to represent an “organic” people or nation, rather than specific interests or groups. ... These destructive effects of populist rule include the takeover and taming of courts and oversight institutions, and new laws that limit the freedom of the media and civil society."


Anyone who watched Trump's statements before congress heard him say that he wants approval for a "Take it Down Act". He presented this act in the context of protecting privacy of a woman whose privacy was exploited online. Trump's next sentence was that he is the biggest victim of online information that has to be taken down. Some might feel sorry for Trump, other's see this as censorship and loss of freedom of speech.

Canadians aren't going to do anything about this except fact check, defend truth, and protect our quality of life. We're going to quietly watch people South of the border express their anger against Canada, cheer as the Trade War escalates, and not even blink as their social infrastructure disintegrates and their individual rights erode. We're worried about people South of the border.
 
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