Canada - USA Trade War commencing March 2025

[acutename]

With both Canada and USA in Nato what would happen if trump tries to take over our border? How would NATO handle something like that any ideas?

A peace-keeping force and a UN monitor for US elections?

 

[Vern]

The previous tariff might not have stopped Canadian subsidy practices.

Canada, as a sovereign nation, can continue to subsidize lumber. But.... another equally sovereign nation can add more tariffs.

It could indeed if it wanted to in addition to the levies that it does. That's prices for the American consumers going up, not Canadian consumers.

And, counter tarrifs would then ensue by Canada of equal amount because the US would again be breaching the "USMCA" ... which, eerily enough, was negotiated and enacted by the 46th President of the United States - D.J. Trump.

Back and forth / back and forth ... until what? 200%?? Pretty certain that the average deck or potential homebuilder/owner would be priced out long before then.

Moral of the story is: If DJT doesn't like his OWN trade agreement, then invite us back to the table to renegotiate.

But it seems that actually inviting the critical powers that be that need to sign agreements to the negotiation table doesn't seem to be a priority of his these days. He'll just shread all those agreements up instead.

He told everyone he was going to tariff the world. And he is. I'm not shocked.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Remember DT's book "The art of the deal" - every single thing is a "deal" to him <modsnip>

Even the book itself, which was bs composed by a ghostwriter.

 

[Vern]

Through their government, US buyers are supporting our lumber industry- by adding more tariffs.

The problem is that the Canadian government subsidizes access to trees at below market value. If Canadian lumber is truly far higher in quality than US lumber, then they should have no problem selling it at a higher price- right?

We allow them to cut on Crown Land.

Perhaps if more citizens would allow them to cut on private property for a fee. Not me though .... millions and millions of acres of Crown Land up here, so no need to e cutting mine or my neighbours down, or my towns etc.

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Perhaps the above is exactly akin to DJTs opening up their national parks for fracking and drilling, baby, drilling?? Why not cut, baby, cutting? Problem of 'subsidizing' solved.

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[Vern]

I do not think people think it is funny. I do think everyone believed it was just a random hair brained idea and when DJT said Canada, Panama and Greenland, it was incomprehensible. I read today that 80% of people in Greenland speak Greenlandic- a language so distant from English in form and meaning that English speakers find it not only hard to learn but difficult to understand.

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RSBM,

Interestingly enough, the Greenlandic language of Kalaallisut and that of Canada's Indigenous Inuit peoples (who speak Inultut) can intercommunicate for the most part as they share a large part of their vocabulary. Likewise the Innu of Alaska etc.

The Inuit peoples of the north are all Arctic peoples.

How language links Alaska’s Arctic to Greenland - ArcticToday

I’ve been living in Nuuk, Greenland for the past three years where my wife and son are from, and despite being more than 2,000 miles away from Alaska as the crow flies, I hear Iñupiatun words spoken every day. Greenland is a self-governing country within the Kingdom of Denmark and its only...

www.arctictoday.com

Which brings in the friendliest Canadian border dispute of all time which is quite different to that border threat we currently find our self facing with our Southern neighbours:

Hans Island - AKA the ongoing Whiskey War
(At 1m 24s mark, just above Hans Island, one can see "Alert" on the map. Canadian Forces Station (CFS) Alert is the most northern permanently occupied military site in the world. Beautiful, if often chilly place! And the place from where we helicopter in to Hans Island.

Interestingly enough, it is also this border that renders that Canada & Europe share a and border --- opening the doors for discussions of entry into the European Union in these very troublesome times.

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[LovesPeace2]

Does he not think it's not because of his comments on Ukraine ,Canada, and the unfair treatment of govt people in the USA

Elon Musk names philanthropist George Soros, LinkedIn's Reid Hoffman among culprits behind Tesla ‘protests’. Is there a plot to take down his empire?

Elon Musk claims a coordinated attack on Tesla is being linked to the Democratic fundraising platform ActBlue. Musk asserts that groups funded by high-profile figures are organizing protests against Tesla. These allegations arise amidst Tesla's ongoing backlash and ActBlues controversy involving...

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[Herat]

Does he not think it's not because of his comments on Ukraine ,Canada, and the unfair treatment of govt people in the USA

Elon Musk names philanthropist George Soros, LinkedIn's Reid Hoffman among culprits behind Tesla ‘protests’. Is there a plot to take down his empire?

Elon Musk claims a coordinated attack on Tesla is being linked to the Democratic fundraising platform ActBlue. Musk asserts that groups funded by high-profile figures are organizing protests against Tesla. These allegations arise amidst Tesla's ongoing backlash and ActBlues controversy involving...

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Is he gonna go cry to Daddy Trump that these guys are being mean to him?

 

[LovesPeace2]

Canada is Worried All Its F-35 Can Be Disabled With a Push of a Button in Washington: How Realistic It is | Defense Express

Canada has ordered 88 F-35A fighters for $14.5 billion, and now they are really discussing whether the Pentagon can press a special button and turn all those aircraft into scrap metal if necessary

en.defence-ua.com

Canada has ordered 88 F-35A fighters for $14.5 billion, and now they are really discussing whether the Pentagon can press a special button and turn all those aircraft into scrap metal if necessary​

The fear of being left unarmed and defenseless against armed aggression is exactly what the Trumpists have sown among their allies with their latest actions. Canadians, who have repeatedly heard threats from Donald Trump about the "51st U.S. state" and face the tariff war unleashed by Washington, have become anxious about their security.

 

[LovesPeace2]

Canada is Worried All Its F-35 Can Be Disabled With a Push of a Button in Washington: How Realistic It is | Defense Express

Canada has ordered 88 F-35A fighters for $14.5 billion, and now they are really discussing whether the Pentagon can press a special button and turn all those aircraft into scrap metal if necessary

en.defence-ua.com

Canada has ordered 88 F-35A fighters for $14.5 billion, and now they are really discussing whether the Pentagon can press a special button and turn all those aircraft into scrap metal if necessary​

The fear of being left unarmed and defenseless against armed aggression is exactly what the Trumpists have sown among their allies with their latest actions. Canadians, who have repeatedly heard threats from Donald Trump about the "51st U.S. state" and face the tariff war unleashed by Washington, have become anxious about their security.

Wish they could cancel this order especially after what he did to the planes in Ukraine .

 

[Trooper]

Canada is Worried All Its F-35 Can Be Disabled With a Push of a Button in Washington: How Realistic It is | Defense Express

Canada has ordered 88 F-35A fighters for $14.5 billion, and now they are really discussing whether the Pentagon can press a special button and turn all those aircraft into scrap metal if necessary

en.defence-ua.com

Canada has ordered 88 F-35A fighters for $14.5 billion, and now they are really discussing whether the Pentagon can press a special button and turn all those aircraft into scrap metal if necessary​

The fear of being left unarmed and defenseless against armed aggression is exactly what the Trumpists have sown among their allies with their latest actions. Canadians, who have repeatedly heard threats from Donald Trump about the "51st U.S. state" and face the tariff war unleashed by Washington, have become anxious about their security.

Oh dear, oh dear, hold my beer. One of the reasons I am watching this Canada stuff with a jaundiced eye, is,.. the USA took the grand sum of 750 $ BILLION dollars off Australia last fortnight, in payment for 18 Submarines.. as part of the AUKUS treaty pact. ( Australia, United Kingdom, USA) and now Trump has had a memory lapse and does not even know what AUKUS stands for.

Basically, while it hurts, it pays to look at this stuff realistically, and acknowledge that it's bye bye to those Submarines and it's bye bye to that 750 billion dollars. ... we had a rightwing idiot of a prime minister who cancelled a deal with the French to build them, we had to pay compensation , about $200 BILLION.. and now, the USA is telling us, well. they might LEND us the subs we paid for, and they will man them and we can watch from the shore as they sail past... what a shyster nation the USA really is..

750 Billion, and 200 billion au dollars is not going to break Australia financially, it will sting a bit, we won't have nice things in the quantity we expect, we may have to pull our heads in for about 8 months, we will just dig up more Iron Ore, and more aluminium, maybe a bit of uranium, and more Gold, but what a pack of dirty dealers the USA is. !!! that's the last contract this country ever signs with them.

Now, we are seriously having to go cap in hand , on our knees, back to the French. Macron called our former prime minister a Liar, he was not wrong, ... the French can be mighty forgiving, though. If they can't do a deal, we will buy them off the Japanese... probably be better engineered anyways...

 

[Vern]

Wish they could cancel this order especially after what he did to the planes in Ukraine .

Oh, we can indeed. We'll lose some money, but gain some peace of mind and security with SAAB for example.

Remember that comment by Trudeau, "everything is on the table"?

Everything is on the table. Prime Minister Carney reinforced that.


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[Cryptic]

We allow them to cut on Crown Land.

US companies can also cut on Federal and State lands. They just need to pay market value for leases. Canadian companies do not have to pay market value for their leases.

 

[Cryptic]

It could indeed if it wanted to in addition to the levies that it does. That's prices for the American consumers going up, not Canadian consumers.

Until US timber companies increase production.

 

[Vern]

Oh dear, oh dear, hold my beer. One of the reasons I am watching this Canada stuff with a jaundiced eye, is,.. the USA took the grand sum of 750 $ BILLION dollars off Australia last fortnight, in payment for 18 Submarines.. as part of the AUKUS treaty pact. ( Australia, United Kingdom, USA) and now Trump has had a memory lapse and does not even know what AUKUS stands for.

Basically, while it hurts, it pays to look at this stuff realistically, and acknowledge that it's bye bye to those Submarines and it's bye bye to that 750 billion dollars. ... we had a rightwing idiot of a prime minister who cancelled a deal with the French to build them, we had to pay compensation , about $200 BILLION.. and now, the USA is telling us, well. they might LEND us the subs we paid for, and they will man them and we can watch from the shore as they sail past... what a shyster nation the USA really is..

750 Billion, and 200 billion au dollars is not going to break Australia financially, it will sting a bit, we won't have nice things in the quantity we expect, we may have to pull our heads in for about 8 months, we will just dig up more Iron Ore, and more aluminium, maybe a bit of uranium, and more Gold, but what a pack of dirty dealers the USA is. !!! that's the last contract this country ever signs with them.

Now, we are seriously having to go cap in hand , on our knees, back to the French. Macron called our former prime minister a Liar, he was not wrong, ... the French can be mighty forgiving, though. If they can't do a deal, we will buy them off the Japanese... probably be better engineered anyways...

Interesting. The French have also invited us to look into their submarines for our replacements. Canada has also just announced anther 3 ships to be built entirely in Canada (Irving Shipbuilding) and there's 9 more of them coming.

I sense the tides are changing.

I have to go google up the stocks for military industrial today and see if same rise in Euro-stock manfacturers is continuing in it's rocket rise.

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[Vern]

Until timber US companies increase production.

Good on them! Opening up their national parks for logging as well as the drlling will do it I suppose.

America First.

And, for me: Canada First. Europe and Asia also use lumber BTW. Great deal there: West Coast to Asia. East Coast to Europe. That's what International Trade is all about ... rather than the simple, no longer tenable or reliable trading partner via that bi-lateral trade agreement we currently have.

It's not all doom and gloom.

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[Trooper]

Good on them! Opening up their national parks for logging as well as the drlling will do it I suppose.

America First.

And, for me: Canada First. Europe and Asia also use lumber BTW. Great deal there: West Coast to Asia. East Coast to Europe. That's what International Trade is all about ... rather than the simple, no longer tenable or reliable trading partner via that bi-lateral trade agreement we currently have.

It's not all doom and gloom.

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All those folks fired from Washington can pull on their boots and go out into the backcountry, like a reverse Johnny Appleseed, cutting down trees all day.. no problem. Very reminiscent of those good old days of the Red Guard in Mao Tse Tungs day, when the proletariat was sent into the rice paddies...

 

[otto]

Canada - you really don't need to be worried about an assault from the US.

This is the level of problem-solving that fearless leader and the Secretary of Agriculture are work at regarding the price of eggs and shortages. Never mind the very significant issue of Avian Influenza being able to infect wild and domesticated birds, cattle, cats, and humans.

This is from the Washington Post:

"Perhaps most eg(g)regiously, the Trump administration is encouraging Americans to cope with high prices by raising their own flocks.

“How do we solve for something like this?” Agriculture Secretary Brooke Rollins asked on Fox News. “People are sort of looking around and thinking,

‘Wow, maybe I could get a chicken in my backyard,’ and it’s awesome.”

What a great idea when the problem is bird flu! The birds can make the people sick too. I guess that's what happens when the government believes that scientists are just guessing about solutions.

 

[otto]

I do not think people think it is funny. I do think everyone believed it was just a random hair brained idea and when DJT said Canada, Panama and Greenland, it was incomprehensible. I read today that 80% of people in Greenland speak Greenlandic- a language so distant from English in form and meaning that English speakers find it not only hard to learn but difficult to understand.

Languages of Greenland​

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And it is on average, always below zero

Polar tundra climate – This is the typical climate in Greenland's coastal settlements. The winter is below freezing and summer cool and ephemeral between 0°C and 10°C. The amount of precipitation spikes during the summer months. Polar ice sheet climate – The mean monthly temperature is below 0°C all year round.

Weather and Climate | Visit Greenland​

And people eat seal soup

A World of Flavor: 7 Traditional Foods of Greenland​

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So I just do not think anyone has "thought this through." If you know what I mean. IMO.

Donald wants to remove the Greenlanders to the USA. He only wants the land - not the people.

 

[otto]

With both Canada and USA in Nato what would happen if trump tries to take over our border? How would NATO handle something like that any ideas?

He'll withdraw from NATO.

 

[otto]

The other day, I remarked that AUstralians were getting travel warnings from their Govt, re travel in the USA< and I said, the warnings were on a par with travel to the Congo,... well.. it was not a fanciful comparison.. here is the latest from Civicus, who watch civil rights around the world..

US added to international watchlist for rapid decline in civic freedoms

Civicus, an international non-profit, puts country alongside Democratic Republic of Congo, Italy, Pakistan and Serbia

www.theguardian.com

The United States has been added to the Civicus Monitor Watchlist, which identifies countries that the global civil rights watchdog believes are currently experiencing a rapid decline in civic freedoms.

Civicus, an international non-profit organization dedicated to “strengthening citizen action and civil society around the world”, announced the inclusion of the US on the non-profit’s first watchlist of 2025 on Monday, alongside the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Italy, Pakistan and Serbia.


The watchlist is part of the Civicus Monitor, which tracks developments in civic freedoms across 198 countries. Other countries that have previously been featured on the watchlist in recent years include Zimbabwe, Argentina, El Salvador and the United Arab Emirates.

(Land of the free, huh??? I don't think so... )

It's a good call. The only people who can do something about it are living in the USA and they seem to be sleepwalking through this no mans land, oblivious to where it leads.