Canada - USA Trade War commencing March 2025

[Vern]

US companies can also cut on Federal and State lands. They just need to pay market value for leases. Canadian companies do not have to pay market value for their leases.

"Market Value" is subject to the market.

Have you seen the amount of Crown Land available in Canada vs. the United States?

Canada = approx 89% of Canada is Crown Land (41% Federal Crown Lands & 48% Provincial Crown Lands) OR

Canadian Crown Lands = 8,886,356 km2

United States = 2.6 million km2


We're bigger than them. We simply have an overabundance of Crown Lands that they do not. The "market value" is not even remotely the same.

To say it should be is like saying that someone buying a house in Joe Batt's Arm, Newfoundland & Labrador should be paying the same price for a house as someone in downtown Manhatten, NY.

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[Sundog]

The Liberal Party leader will be announced on Sunday. He or she will soon announce a federal election. That person (probably Carney) will run against Poilievre. It will be interesting to see the party leaders debate. Poilievre is a seasoned politician and an excellent, clever speaker who is running a Canada First campaign. Carney faltered during Liberal Party debates, especially the French language debate. He has no experience in politics.

Donald and Vance prefer Poilievre. Perhaps they think he can be easily manipulated, perhaps because they don't know the difference between a Conservative and a republican, and expect him to be just like them.

Canadians want a hard line with Donald, more of what Trudeau is doing.

I think if Poilievre wins the federal election, over time President Trump and his administration will have a better working relationship with the Canadian government. I think Poilievre can handle himself with U.S.. leadership. Anyway, so far he has my vote.

 

[Trooper]

What a great idea when the problem is bird flu! The birds can make the people sick too. I guess that's what happens when the government believes that scientists are just guessing about solutions.

One of the reasons there are battery egg farms, is the scale and scope. A few chickens in the back yard are very expensive, each egg ends up costing, well this is in AU dollars, around $2.60 up to $3.50 an egg and that's just when they are laying, they don't lay all year round but you have to feed them and de whatsit them, all year round and shift the hen house around... its a hobby, chickens in the back yard.. it's not a business. People make money and not a lot of profit margin when they have 2000 chickens, and a professional sexter, ( yes, thats what they are called ) to sort the new chicks into hens or roosters... otherwise you are feeding a whole lot of roosters, and guess what, ?? they don't lay eggs..

If you see someone walking down the main street, their eyes swivelling like a fruit machine, you can safely say, they have chickens in the back yard.. its a life time of constant alert and action.

 

[Trooper]

He'll withdraw from NATO.

He'll probably bung on a blue beret and pretend to be in charge.. .. shuffling up and down, inspecting the troops, maybe even 'dancing' for them, ..

 

[otto]

I think if Poilievre wins the federal election, over time President Trump and his administration will have a better working relationship with the Canadian government. I think Poilievre can handle himself with U.S.. leadership. Anyway, so far he has my vote.

I'm not convinced. Poilievre wants to eliminate the CBC and support Rebel News. He likes cryptocurrency, which is untraceable. He thinks that the USA problem can be solved by increasing exports to the USA. He's having a difficult time pivoting from cancel the carbon tax. He disagrees with covid vaccines, and he supported the month long USA funded truck disturbance in Ottawa. He's a good debater when he has an opponent in parliament, but Canada needs something better than someone who can debate Donald in circles. Crystia Freeland can do that too. Debating with Donald is pointless.

Carney has international connections, he agrees with getting Alberta oil to new markets via East and West corridors, he's happy to cancel the carbon tax (keep it with big industry), and he's not going to raise the capital gains tax as Trudeau had planned. That increase scared a lot of people because it punished people for working hard and earning a lot. He's an economist, like Stephen Harper, so he knows how to balance the books. I'm curious to see what he does between now and the next election. Hopefully he ignores Donald and puts all his time and energy into redirecting Canada's future. That's what Canadians want to see ... not someone who can hold their own in an argument.

 

[otto]

He'll probably bung on a blue beret and pretend to be in charge.. .. shuffling up and down, inspecting the troops, maybe even 'dancing' for them, ..

Donald envies North Korea for their parade of military toys. That's who he wants to be.

 

[Betty P]

Good on them! Opening up their national parks for logging as well as the drlling will do it I suppose.

America First.

And, for me: Canada First. Europe and Asia also use lumber BTW. Great deal there: West Coast to Asia. East Coast to Europe. That's what International Trade is all about ... rather than the simple, no longer tenable or reliable trading partner via that bi-lateral trade agreement we currently have.

It's not all doom and gloom.

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That’s what frustrated Americans are saying - that these tariffs against our allies are ridiculous. Canada and Europe will find a way to work around it. Trump is crazy, JMO, but he has a lot of shady billionaires and CEOs behind him who are using him to work a lot of scams on their behalf.

Somehow we have to get through the next 2 years, when we can get a majority in Congress and put a stop to Trumps insanity.

 

[otto]

That’s what frustrated Americans are saying - that these tariffs against our allies are ridiculous. Canada and Europe will find a way to work around it. Trump is crazy, JMO, but he has a lot of shady billionaires and CEOs behind him who are using him to work a lot of scams on their behalf.

Somehow we have to get through the next 2 years, when we can get a majority in Congress and put a stop to Trumps insanity.

He can do a lot of damage in two years, and he plans to do just that.

Canada, Australia, UK, the EU and many other countries will find a way to eliminate the USA from their trade agreements. It will take time, it won't be easy, but it's the only option.

 

[Trooper]

I'm not convinced. Poilievre wants to eliminate the CBC and support Rebel News. He likes cryptocurrency, which is untraceable. He thinks that the USA problem can be solved by increasing exports to the USA. He's having a difficult time pivoting from cancel the carbon tax. He disagrees with covid vaccines, and he supported the month long USA funded truck disturbance in Ottawa. He's a good debater when he has an opponent in parliament, but Canada needs something better than someone who can debate Donald in circles. Crystia Freeland can do that too. Debating with Donald is pointless.

Carney has international connections, he agrees with getting Alberta oil to new markets via East and West corridors, he's happy to cancel the carbon tax (keep it with big industry), and he's not going to raise the capital gains tax as Trudeau had planned. That increase scared a lot of people because it punished people for working hard and earning a lot. He's an economist, like Stephen Harper, so he knows how to balance the books. I'm curious to see what he does between now and the next election. Hopefully he ignores Donald and puts all his time and energy into redirecting Canada's future. That's what Canadians want to see ... not someone who can hold their own in an argument.

I'm not only not convinced, I think Poilievre will forever remain in Canadian's minds as the man who told them they were broken when they needed someone telling them they would never break, would never be broken.. I do not think the current climate of Trump is going to assist Poilievre in any way shape or form. It is a severe handicap , the kind of handicap that drags a man backwards..

Britain's opposition, Kemi Badenoch, Priti Patel, the usual crew are also in exactly the same situation, they attached themselves to Trump's nonsensical ideology and they cannot extract themselves from the stench of it. It sunk Boris Johnson, and it sunk Rishi Sunak. And it will sink Ms Badenoch.

No one with any sense is going to debate Donald, it's like playing chess with a pigeon.

 

[Kemug]

Donald wants to remove the Greenlanders to the USA. He only wants the land - not the people.

But wouldn't the Greenlanders then be nasty criminal migrants?

 

[SouthAussie]

Donald wants to remove the Greenlanders to the USA. He only wants the land - not the people.

Greenland is on the cusp of an election (11th March). Let's hope there is no interference.

There is one party - the opposition - that is apparently willing to collaborate with the US.

All eyes on Greenland as decisive election approaches

Greenland, the world's largest island, remains a self-governing territory of Denmark. Amid Trump's interest, Greenlanders might push for independence in upcoming elections.

www.euronews.com

 

[Sundog]

I'm wondering why Carney is saying 'Americans' instead of 'Trump' or 'Trump government'

I think it must be to pump up the Canadian Patriotism mood.

Maybe to needle Americans to protest?

I think most Canadians understand it's Trump, not Americans.

I think it's the Canadian Patriotism issue, and he's campaigning already for the upcoming election. I do hope he speaks more French than Vive le Canada, though, or whatever it was that he said in French.

 

[SouthAussie]

I think Ontario's electricity tariff starts tomorrow (Monday).


The leader said new tariffs are scheduled to be implemented Monday in an effort to push back on Trump’s international economic measures.

... 25 percent tariff on electricity coming from Ontario to Michigan, New York and Minnesota ....

Ontario will tariff electricity going to 3 US states on Monday, premier says

Ontario Premier Doug Ford said three states would face tariffs on electricity after a week of President Trump’s swipes at Canada with fluctuating trade policies. “I love Americans. It’s been 20 years of my life. But in saying that, no, we’re going to put a 25 percent tariff on electricity coming...

www.yahoo.com

 

[Sillybilly]

U.S. Congress bill aims to prevent funding of invasion of Canada, Panama or Greenland​

A new bill introduced to the United States House of Representatives would withhold federal funding for any American “operations to invade or seize territory from” Canada, Panama or Greenland -- unless Congress agrees to it first, that is.

Introduced Thursday by Rhode Island Rep. Seth Magaziner, the No Invading Allies Act would require U.S. President Donald Trump to seek a formal declaration of war, congressional approval or proof of a “national emergency created by attack or imminent threat of attack” to authorize offensive military action against the places mentioned above.

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[Kemug]

Well, that's excellent news. But is it enough to stop Trump?

 

[Trooper]

Well, that's excellent news. But is it enough to stop Trump?

Could Congress conceivably vote FOR it?? is that even an unformed thought??

When are the midterms?? I forget..

The USA has in times past created 'imminent threats'.... eg. Gulf of Tonkin

 

[SouthAussie]

Could Congress conceivably vote FOR it?? is that even an unformed thought??

When are the midterms?? I forget..

The USA has in times past created 'imminent threats'.... eg. Gulf of Tonkin

If some brave members of Congress band together and push it through .. for the good of the country. imo

Trump is apparently testing his powers in Congress this week. So far all he has used is executive powers.

Trump’s presidency moves into a new phase with a critical test of his power in Congress

 

[Sillybilly]

The USA has in times past created 'imminent threats'.... eg. Gulf of Tonkin

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The Gulf of Tonkin Resolution and the limits of presidential power​

August 7, 2023 | by Scott Bomboy

In January 1971, Congress repealed the Gulf of Tonkin resolution as popular opinion grew against a continued U.S. military involvement in Vietnam.

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The War Powers Resolution came as a direct reaction to the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, as Congress sought to avoid another military conflict where it had little input.

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The War Powers Resolution allows a President to use U.S. forces in combat in the event of “a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces.” But the President also needs to report to Congress within 48 hours of such a military action, and Congress has 60 days to approve or reject it.

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[Trooper]

It is International Bagpipe day today, and in Honor of Canada, and , just for the hell of it, New Zealand, here is their champion band strolling down a country road playing ' Winnipeg Forger'..

 

[Vern]

Well, that's excellent news. But is it enough to stop Trump?

Congress declares war & Presidents don't.

Congress already has the authority to restrain military operations by Presidents, assuming they care to exercise it. If they don't/won't exercise their powers, unnecessary legislation won't help.

War Powers Resoloution
Salient point within underlined by me:

The War Powers Resolution requires the president to notify Congress within 48 hours of committing armed forces to military action and forbids armed forces from remaining for more than 60 days, with a further 30-day withdrawal period, without congressional authorization for use of military force (AUMF) or a declaration of war by the United States. The resolution was passed by two-thirds each of the House and Senate, overriding the veto of President Richard Nixon.

It has been alleged that the War Powers Resolution has been violated in the past. However, Congress has disapproved all such incidents, and no allegations have resulted in successful legal actions taken against a president.

So:

Q1) How far can the US military drive from Joint Base Lewis-McChord (Washingston State) or Fort Drum (Northern NY) in 48 hours before he needs to head to Congress?? A: Far enough

Q2) How much can they 'get done' in that 60 day window? 90 days if their withdrawal is active? A: A lot

Q3) Lastly, would Congress then authorize or deny him the funds to continue? A: The only unknown factor

So, I really don't expect to see this bill go anywhere (IMO), but if it did get out of committee and go to vote, it would certainly force each congressmen and women to take a position and to show if they're willing to stand for anything.

At this point, there's no point in debating whether such a war would be considered (legal terms) a 'just war' (jus ad bellum) because it's pretty obvious to most people even those blind and deaf that Canada poses no "threat" to the United States or it's sovereignty.

Most people is the key to the above. Some people don't act like most people. Putin's a good example of that!

IMO.

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