Daniel Penny on Trial for manslaughter and negligent homicide of Jordan Neely

[Izzylizzy]

IMO:
We now know that in Penny's mind for 6 minutes he was strangling "just a crack head".
Yes DP, we know what you meant,the"crackhead" deserved no humanity.

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Daniel Penny's Deadly Chokehold Shocked the Country. Now, He's Going on Trial For Manslaughter

The veteran Marine is facing charges of manslaughter and criminally negligent homicide. His trial is set to start on Oct. 21.

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[Izzylizzy]

An update on JN being given CPR by LE when they arrived.
At the end of video from LE's body cams showing them running to get to get down to the subway car you see a female officer on her knees vigorously doing CPR on JN.
There was a discussion about it not being properly administer by LE.

scroll down for video.

Daniel Penny trial live updates from Nov. 1

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[shotgun09]

An update on JN being given CPR by LE when they arrived.
At the end of video from LE's body cams showing them running to get to get down to the subway car you see a female officer on her knees vigorously doing CPR on JN.
There was a discussion about it not being properly administer by LE.

scroll down for video.

Daniel Penny trial live updates from Nov. 1

Follow The Post’s live updates for the latest news from the trial, in which Daniel Penny is accused of manslaughter for placing Jordan Neely in a chokehold after the homeless man acted erratically …

nypost.com

At the beginning of the video ( or one of them) you can clearly see the female first responder upright, bending at the waist to administer CPR. Initially. It was minutes later, when she is shown down on one knee ( still not proper body alignment for effective CPR). IMO

 

[Izzylizzy]

At the beginning of the video ( or one of them) you can clearly see the female first responder upright, bending at the waist to administer CPR. Initially. It was minutes later, when she is shown down on one knee ( still not proper body alignment for effective CPR). IMO

I had posted an image of her a few days ago and it was her position that was discussed.

This video shows another female officer doing CPR correctly when LE arrived/
A defibrillator was also tried on JN.

 

[IceIce9]

At the beginning of the video ( or one of them) you can clearly see the female first responder upright, bending at the waist to administer CPR. Initially. It was minutes later, when she is shown down on one knee ( still not proper body alignment for effective CPR). IMO

If she is an EMT or medic there is no excuse for this. Even a lay person who has simply taken a CPR class should know the proper position for providing CPR.

If it is a member of LE they have been trained in “Hands- only” CPR so they should know proper position as well.

 

[Izzylizzy]

dbm

 

[Izzylizzy]

If she is an EMT or medic there is no excuse for this. Even a lay person who has simply taken a CPR class should know the proper position for providing CPR.

If it is a member of LE they have been trained in “Hands- only” CPR so they should know proper position as well.

Are you talking about the female officer in the
video I posted?
If so what is she doing wrong?
Last time it was another female LE on one knee, this one is kneeling with both knees.

 

[IceIce9]

Are you talking about the female officer in the
video I posted?
If so what is she doing wrong?
Last time it was another female LE on one knee, this one is kneeling with both knees.

Referring to the video where the first person performing CPR is standing, bending at the waist, performing chest compressions. Then she is shown on one knee performing compressions, still not correct. Not close enough to the victim.

Valuable time is being wasted while ineffective compressions are being performed.

 

[liminal-limitless]

<modsnip> Even if JN was acting threatening, the penalty for menacing in a civil society is not extrajudicial execution

 

[Izzylizzy]

Referring to the video where the first person performing CPR is standing, bending at the waist, performing chest compressions. Then she is shown on one knee performing compressions, still not correct. Not close enough to the victim.

Valuable time is being wasted while ineffective compressions are being performed.

I had posted a new video which shows a female officer kneeling and vigorously doing CPR
We don't know the timeline on the one-knee other female officer.
Scroll down to "17 mins ago" "He's not breathing "
"Bodycam" video and at the end of it you will see her.

Daniel Penny trial live updates from Nov. 1

Follow The Post’s live updates for the latest news from the trial, in which Daniel Penny is accused of manslaughter for placing Jordan Neely in a chokehold after the homeless man acted erratically …

nypost.com

 

[IceIce9]

I had posted a new video which shows a female officer kneeling and vigorously doing CPR
We don't know the timeline on the one-knee other female officer.
Scroll down to "17 mins ago" "He's not breathing "
"Bodycam" video and at the end of it you will see her.

Daniel Penny trial live updates from Nov. 1

Follow The Post’s live updates for the latest news from the trial, in which Daniel Penny is accused of manslaughter for placing Jordan Neely in a chokehold after the homeless man acted erratically …

nypost.com

There are several videos out there, the long video appears to show the first person standing, bending at the waist to perform compressions. Next is the person down on one knee proving compressions, finally the female who is in the correct position and providing proper compressions.

But how much time was lost before effective chest compressions were started? Survivability decreases approximately ten percent for every minute that proper CPR is delayed.

JMO

 

[Izzylizzy]

Today the defense will continue to cross-examine the medical examiner, Dr. Cynthia Harris who is said to be the prosecution's last witness.
Here come the defenses's experts who will claim that JN died from everything but the "kitchen sink" aka the 6 min chokehold.

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[Izzylizzy]

There are several videos out there, the long video appears to show the first person standing, bending at the waist to perform compressions. Next is the person down on one knee proving compressions, finally the female who is in the correct position and providing proper compressions.

But how much time was lost before effective chest compressions were started? Survivability decreases approximately ten percent for every minute that proper CPR is delayed.

JMO

The video is in the link I posted.
scroll down, I gave the words that identify it
"Body cam" is in its header.

JN was brain dead when LE arrived.
One's pulse can continue for minutes after that happens, he had a faint pulse then no pulse.
Dead from being strangled.

DP was Marine trained so why didn't he give JN CPR after seeing the lifeless condition he left him in instead of just standing there?

 

[IceIce9]

The video is in the link I posted.
scroll down, I gave the words that identify it
"Body cam" is in its header.

JN was brain dead when LE arrived.
One's pulse can continue for minutes after that happens, he had a faint pulse then no pulse.
Dead from being strangled.

DP was Marine trained so why didn't he give JN CPR after seeing the lifeless condition he left him in instead of just standing there?

I’m only commenting on the fact that CPR was not given correctly for an undermined length of time, and if these were members of LE or EMS they definitely should have known how to perform it correctly.

But it appears that it was a was a long enough time before CPR was correctly performed that the victim’s chance of survival, if any, would have been considerably reduced.

I would be questioning why the delay in performing CPR correctly by professional rescuers and LE.

(And JMO to add that this case of CPR not being performed effectively is a hot topic being discussed on EMS sites at this time, but the sites are not linkable to WS so JMO)

 

[Ontario Mom]

I’m only commenting on the fact that CPR was not given correctly for an undermined length of time, and if these were members of LE or EMS they definitely should have known how to perform it correctly.

But it appears that it was a was a long enough time before CPR was correctly performed that the victim’s chance of survival, if any, would have been considerably reduced.

I would be questioning why the delay in performing CPR correctly by professional rescuers and LE.

(And JMO to add that this case of CPR not being performed effectively is a hot topic being discussed on EMS sites at this time, but the sites are not linkable to WS so JMO)

This statement really stands out to me:

NYPD Sgt. Carl Johnson was asked by Manhattan ADA Dafna Yoran why officers opted to use Narcan on Jordan Neely.
“He was an apparent drug user and he was very dirty," Johnson testified. "I didn’t want my officers to put their lips on his mouth. They could get hepatitis or AIDS ... chest compressions would be enough to get him awake.” Daniel Penny trial live updates from Nov. 1

Obviously I can't say for certain but maybe he wasn't the only one thinking along those lines & those that could have rendered aid didn't want to get too close?

 

[IceIce9]

This statement really stands out to me:

NYPD Sgt. Carl Johnson was asked by Manhattan ADA Dafna Yoran why officers opted to use Narcan on Jordan Neely.
“He was an apparent drug user and he was very dirty," Johnson testified. "I didn’t want my officers to put their lips on his mouth. They could get hepatitis or AIDS ... chest compressions would be enough to get him awake.” Daniel Penny trial live updates from Nov. 1

Obviously I can't say for certain but maybe he wasn't the only one thinking along those lines & those that could have rendered aid didn't want to get too close?

That is quite likely.

Members of LE should be trained how to perform “Hands-only” CPR without using mouth to mouth breathing. Officers should perform compressions only because they can’t watch the scene if they are performing rescue breathing.

Also they would want to check the victim’s clothing for needles before initiating any type of first aid or CPR to avoid injuring themself.

But once actual medical responders arrive on scene was CPR performed correctly?

It is unclear to me which of the individuals rendering aid were LE and which were EMS.

 

[Izzylizzy]

This statement really stands out to me:

NYPD Sgt. Carl Johnson was asked by Manhattan ADA Dafna Yoran why officers opted to use Narcan on Jordan Neely.
“He was an apparent drug user and he was very dirty," Johnson testified. "I didn’t want my officers to put their lips on his mouth. They could get hepatitis or AIDS ... chest compressions would be enough to get him awake.” Daniel Penny trial live updates from Nov. 1

Obviously I can't say for certain but maybe he wasn't the only one thinking along those lines & those that could have rendered aid didn't want to get too close?

We know that DP was real close to JN for 6 mins and a trained Marine in lethal force so him not immediately doing CPR on JN when he saw he was lifeless when he released him would negate the wanting to get too close.
imo;

 

[mickey2942]

I once saw a homeless man on a corner screaming for help. He was in a wheelchair. I quickly wheeled him into the lobby of the hotel where we were staying, yelling for the staff to call "911". It was about 20° outside. I clearly thought I was saving his life.

The staff moved slowly and nonchalantly. The EMS arrived, rolled their eyes, and put him on a stretcher slowly, not doing any checks on his condition. Apparently, he was a "regular" on that particular corner.

Who knew? I thought he was going to die, and I was "rescuing" him.

I still think about that, I was so into "rescue" mode. And they were just doing their "job", another day, another homeless guy.

I wonder if EMS gets very tired of "saving" street people, to the point that they dehumanize them.

 

[Izzylizzy]

I once saw a homeless man on a corner screaming for help. He was in a wheelchair. I quickly wheeled him into the lobby of the hotel where we were staying, yelling for the staff to call "911". It was about 20° outside. I clearly thought I was saving his life.

The staff moved slowly and nonchalantly. The EMS arrived, rolled their eyes, and put him on a stretcher slowly, not doing any checks on his condition. Apparently, he was a "regular" on that particular corner.

Who knew? I thought he was going to die, and I was "rescuing" him.

I still think about that, I was so into "rescue" mode. And they were just doing their "job", another day, another homeless guy.

I wonder if EMS gets very tired of "saving" street people, to the point that they dehumanize them.

BBM:

IMO:
It certainly is a possibility but on the video we see this when LE first arrived which to me shows concern.

Bodycam video shown in Daniel Penny trial shows medics ...​

New York Post
https://nypost.com › 2024/11/01 › us-news › bodycam-...




Nov 1, 2024 — ... Officer Dennis Kang showed the cop yelling, “My man! Stay with me … yo!” as he furiously shook Neely's stomach in a bid to jolt him awake.

 

[Izzylizzy]

IMO:

From what I've been reading is that a brain dead person cannot be brought back to life.
Their brain has completely stopped functioning and they are unable to breathe or regain consciousness ever.

If you become brain dead in a hospital setting the only thing available to keep the person going is life support which is usually used when organ donation is going to happen.

Will the defense have medical experts trying to prove that JN wasn't brain dead?
Even though he wasn't breathing when LE arrived, was unconscious and didn't respond to any stimulus.

His faint pulse then shortly no plus is common, the heart can still beat for up to 10 mins, according to Dr.Harris.