Daniel Penny on Trial for manslaughter and negligent homicide of Jordan Neely

[Snoopster]

Were the passengers supposed to just ignore his threats? Should they have known he was mentally ill and not about to follow through? Sorry, but this guy was being combative and scaring others around him. The other passengers had zero idea that he was all talk and no action. Plus it’s not the public’s job to diagnose people.

So are you saying that it is ok to kill someone if you don't know their intentions? If they seem a bit off the wall? Should all mentally ill people be killed since we don't know what they might do because we feel uncomfortable around them?
Of course I understand it isn't as simple as I am proposing. But it is a fine line between feeling uncomfortable and killing someone once they aren't a threat anymore.

 

[Izzylizzy]

So are you saying that it is ok to kill someone if you don't know their intentions? If they seem a bit off the wall? Should all mentally ill people be killed since we don't know what they might do because we feel uncomfortable around them?
Of course I understand it isn't as simple as I am proposing. But it is a fine line between feeling uncomfortable and killing someone once they aren't a threat anymore.

Interesting that DP's defense is he believed JN was going to kill someone and it was he who did the killing.
So much for "intentions" eh?

 

[Izzylizzy]

It has been reported that the train made a stop 30 secs after DP brought down JN with a chokehold but I wasn't aware that the only ones left were DP and the 2 men who helped him hold him down.
So there were no passengers left for DP to protect.


"She pointed at Daniel Penny as she told the jury "This man, took it upon himself to take down Jordan Neely. To neutralize him."

30 seconds later, the train arrived at the next station, Broadway-Lafayette, and all the passengers left the train car, except two men who were helping Penny restrain Neely.

"No longer was there anyone left on the train for the defendant to protect," Yoran said. "He continued to choke Jordan Neely even after Mr. Neely had lost consciousness."

Daniel Penny tells police 'I put him out' in never-before-seen video shown at subway chokehold trial

The case has rattled fault lines surrounding race, homelessness, perceptions of public safety and bystanders' responsibility.

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[Ontario Mom]

Were the passengers supposed to just ignore his threats? Should they have known he was mentally ill and not about to follow through? Sorry, but this guy was being combative and scaring others around him. The other passengers had zero idea that he was all talk and no action. Plus it’s not the public’s job to diagnose people.

While no one on the train knew it, we now know that Jordan Neely was in fact not all talk and no action. He had a violent criminal history that has been well documented since this tragic accident happened. We don't know if he would have made good on any of the threats he was making. We do know that he had done it in the past so it's entirely possible he would have done it again.

jmo

 

[Izzylizzy]

The defense tried to get Penny's video footage interrogation with police the night of Neely's death thrown out as evidence to no avail.



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'Daniel Penny trial live updates: Witnesses testify in subway chokehold case'

2 minutes ago
Sixth prosecution witness set to take the stand when trial resumes Monday
By Ben Kochman


"The Manhattan District Attorney's Office is set to call its sixth witness to the stand when the trial resumes shortly after 10 a.m.

Key witnesses still yet to testify include the detectives who interrogated Penny on the night of Neely's death, and personnel from the city Medical Examiner's Office -- which ruled the homeless man's death a homicide caused by compression of the neck.'

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LIVE UPDATES:

'Daniel Penny trial live updates: Witnesses testify in subway chokehold case'

2 minutes ago
Sixth prosecution witness set to take the stand when trial resumes Monday
By Ben Kochman


"The Manhattan District Attorney's Office is set to call its sixth witness to the stand when the trial resumes shortly after 10 a.m.

Key witnesses still yet to testify include the detectives who interrogated Penny on the night of Neely's death, and personnel from the city Medical Examiner's Office -- which ruled the homeless man's death a homicide caused by compression of the neck.'

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[Izzylizzy]

2 minutes ago

Bystander who shot first video of Penny's fatal chokehold takes stand​

By Kyle Schnitzer
Monday's first witness is Ivette Rosario, a bystander who shot the first video of Penny holding Neely in a chokehold on her cell phone from the Broadway-Lafayette platform after leaving the subway car.

Rosario, 19, said she had been returning home from high school when she witnessed the fatal confrontation.

Jurors are expected to see her video shortly.

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[Izzylizzy]

While no one on the train knew it, we now know that Jordan Neely was in fact not all talk and no action. He had a violent criminal history that has been well documented since this tragic accident happened. We don't know if he would have made good on any of the threats he was making. We do know that he had done it in the past so it's entirely possible he would have done it again.

jmo

BBM:
Apples & oranges as a justification for using deadly force against an unarmed person who didn't assault anyone,.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Nothing about JN threatening he was going to "kill"?

4 minutes ago

Witness to Jordan Neely's subway rant was so nervous she thought she'd 'pass out'​

By Kyle Schnitzer and Ben Kochman
Rosario, who was 17 at the time of the fatal encounter, testified that Neely's rant after bursting through the doors of the uptown F train at Second Ave. was so frightening that she "thought I was going to pass out."

Neely said that he was homeless, hungry and "didn't care about going back to jail," Rosario told jurors.

"I was very nervous, and I thought I was going to pass out because I was so nervous," she said.

“I got scared by the tone by the way he saying it," Rosario added. "He was saying it in an angry tone…. I have usually seen escalations but not like that."

Neely did not approach or touch anyone, and did not appear to be carrying a weapon, she said.

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[Izzylizzy]

10 minutes ago

Witness yells, 'He’s dying – you gotta let go!' as Penny holds Neely in chokehold​

By Kyle Schnitzer and Ben Kochman

'A witness to Daniel Penny's fatal chokehold of Jordan Neely yelled out, "He's dying – you gotta let go!" as Penny held Neely down, video played for jurors shows.

The video, shot by then-17-year-old high school student Ivette Rosario, shows Penny on the ground with Neely, with Penny's arms wrapped around Neely's neck.

It's unclear from the video whether Penny heard the comment. Rosario testified that she didn't hear it at the time.

“Yeah, you can hear it in the video, but in the moment, I couldn’t hear it in the moment,” she told jurors.'


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[musicaljoke]

"Manhattan Supreme Court Justice Maxwell Wiley said he’d grant a request by prosecutors to conceal the identities of the 12 jurors who will hear evidence in Penny’s trial on charges of manslaughter and criminally negligent homicide.
Assistant District Attorney Dafna Yoran argued that keeping the names hidden would be best “based on prior threats that have been received in this case by all sides.” Judge reveals whether jurors deciding Daniel Penny’s fate in NYC subway chokehold case will stay anonymous

This should be protocol for every jury case, as it is in many other countries.

 

[Izzylizzy]

3 hours ago

Never-before-seen footage of Penny chokehold released: 'He's dying — you gotta let go!'​

By Ben Kochman and Kyle Schnitzer
New video played at Daniel Penny's trial shows the Marine veteran gripping homeless man Jordan Neely's neck on the floor of a subway car — while bystanders plead with him to "let him go."

The never-before-seen footage, shot by a high school student from just outside the train car, was jurors' first glimpse of the deadly encounter at the heart of the case.

“He’s dying — you gotta let go!” one onlooker can be heard saying on the video. "Let him go," another witness can be heard saying.

The one-minute video was captured by Ivette Rosario, now 19, whose hands can be seen trembling in the footage.

"Call some cops!" Rosario yells out during the video.

Daniel Penny trial live updates: Witnesses testify in subway chokehold case

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[Izzylizzy]

2 hours ago

Jordan Neely's dad leaves courtroom as jurors are shown infamous chokehold video​

By Kyle Schnitzer

Jordan Neely's dad, Andre Zachary, left the courtroom as jurors were shown the infamous video of Daniel Penny appearing to put Jordan Neely in a chokehold aboard a New York City subway car.

Zachary left the courtroom when Manhattan prosecutors played the video for a second time to the jury.

The graphic 4-minute and 55-second clip, shot by Mexican journalist Juan Alberto Vasquez, was shown for the first time at trial.

Jordan Neely's father, Andre Zachary, left the courtroom as graphic video of his son being held in a chokehold was played twice for the jury.Gregory P. Mango
It appears to show Penny holding Neely in a chokehold.

During the first run of the video, Zachary could be seen inside the courtroom with his head in his hands. At some points, he looked to his left, away from the TV monitor broadcasting the video to the audience.

Zachary left the room as Vasquez was asked to give an analysis of the graphic video he took.

It shows Neely's leg swinging at one point while Penny has his arm gripped around the man's neck while they're both on the floor of a subway car.

Neely's father verbally sighed at one point while viewing the clip.

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[Izzylizzy]

an hour ago

Witness: Daniel Penny was unresponsive, in a 'trance' during chokehold​

By Kyle Schnitzer
Larry Goodson, a rider aboard the subway the day Jordan Neely was killed, testified that Daniel Penny was in a "trance" and not responding when he told him to let go of the alleged chokehold.

“I said if he’s defecating or urinating on himself, you’re going to let him go because you’re going to kill him," Goodson said in dramatic testimony.

He later said Penny "didn't respond" to him or another passenger who came to assist Neely.

"Mr. Penny didn’t respond to myself or the gentlemen who came to assist Mr. Neely… that is the truth of what happened," Goodson said.

He then said that Penny was in a "whole other trance" at the time of the chokehold.

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[Izzylizzy]

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'You're going to kill him,' witness says he warned Daniel Penny during fatal chokehold​

By Kyle Schnitzer and Ben Kochman
A Brooklyn man who was riding on the F train at the time of Penny's fatal chokehold has testified that he never felt “threatened” by Neely at any point — and that Penny ignored his pleas to let the man go.

Larry Goodson, 51, told jurors that he noticed Neely defecating and urinating on himself as Penny continued choking him for several minutes.

“I said if he’s defecating or urinating on himself, you’re going to let him go because you’re going to kill him,” Goodson testified.

Goodson, who has ridden city trains for 50 years, also told jurors that Neely was not threatening — which conflicts with Penny's lawyers' claim that Neely threatened straphangers.

"I was not threatened. I was not fearful," Goodson said. "This individual was not threatening me.”

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[Izzylizzy]

“If you don’t let him go, and that’s the state his body is in, you’re going to lose him,’” Mr. Goodson said he recalled warning Mr. Penny. He said he also heard one of the men holding Mr. Neely’s arms tell Mr. Penny that he could now release the chokehold.

Mr. Penny, he said, kept a tight grip.

“It was like he was in a whole other trance,” Mr. Goodson said.'

At Daniel Penny’s Trial, Subway Passengers Describe Harrowing F Train Ride

Witnesses from the subway train said they feared Jordan Neely but also described the horror of watching him die in a chokehold.

www.nytimes.com

 

[acutename]

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/jordan-neely-death-subway.html

cannot recall if this was posted before or if I read it before- interestingly, the comments, as here,
are vehemently divided. JN was, as per this article, 6 ft tall, so not small. Cannot find his weight any where. Did the D and JN's family accept the autopsy and CoD?

 

[asmi106082]

So are you saying that it is ok to kill someone if you don't know their intentions? If they seem a bit off the wall? Should all mentally ill people be killed since we don't know what they might do because we feel uncomfortable around them?
Of course I understand it isn't as simple as I am proposing. But it is a fine line between feeling uncomfortable and killing someone once they aren't a threat anymore.

I don’t think he thought he was killing him. I believe he thought he was restraining him until the authorities showed. MOO

 

[IceIce9]

Imagine that you were on the subway, put yourself in place of a passenger. Perhaps the mother who huddled behind a bench trying to protect her baby.

Daniel Penny did ‘what we would want someone to do for us’ when he put ranting Jordan Neely in chokehold on NYC subway: lawyer

Daniel Penny “did for others what we would want someone to do for us” — defending panicked subway riders from an “aggressive” Jordan Neely — when he put the troubled homeles…

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When a “seething, psychotic” Neely first got into the northbound train on May 1, 2023, he demanded food and money from other riders and spoke about going to Rikers Island and being sentenced to life imprisonment — before threatening to “kill,” Kenniff claimed.

This all while the passengers’ “fear turns to outright panic” — including a mother who huddled behind a bench to protect her baby, the defense lawyer said.

 

[Izzylizzy]

"Daniel Penny did ‘what we would want someone to do for us’ when he put ranting Jordan Neely in chokehold on NYC subway: lawyer"​

And it stops right there.
Penny set out to "de-escalate" what he perceived was a man he believed was going to kill someone.
He accomplished that goal when he brought JN down with a chokehold.

Penny is now on trial for keeping JN in that hold for approx, 6 mins with the help of 2 other men and killing him.

 

[LinasK]

Were the passengers supposed to just ignore his threats? Should they have known he was mentally ill and not about to follow through? Sorry, but this guy was being combative and scaring others around him. The other passengers had zero idea that he was all talk and no action. Plus it’s not the public’s job to the

The solution is to avoid the aggressive person by getting away from them- moving to another train car. New York isn't the only city with a subway, and people get aggressive on the streets too. It's totally possible to do this. It happened to me on the street in another state 3 weeks ago.