GUILTY IN - Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen guilty - #220

[StarryStarryNight]

The extension was granted. March 30th is the day now.

 

[flashy09]

Delphi murders | Richard Allen's attorneys explain why they think his conviction should be overturned

Allen was convicted for the murders of Abby Williams and Libby German. His attorneys say he was never able to defend himself at trial.

www.wthr.com

I found this article checking on his appeal. It's from December and pretty detailed.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Delphi murders | Richard Allen's attorneys explain why they think his conviction should be overturned

Allen was convicted for the murders of Abby Williams and Libby German. His attorneys say he was never able to defend himself at trial.

www.wthr.com

I found this article checking on his appeal. It's from December and pretty detailed.

Seems to me the same ole' same ole'. RA=BG=Killer and he won't be getting another trial IMHO. I am glad the State is taking its time to answer, always better safe than sorry.

If anyone has any doubt that it was him, listen to his LE interviews and look and listen to the man on the bridge. That will erase any doubt along with all the other evidence...like his confessions, him placing himself there at the time, etc.

The timing of RA's psychosis is just soooo conveniently close to the same day or so that he was given the State's evidence against him. He knew he was done and decided to make a snack out of it. Hah

Go away and stay away RA, you've inflicted enough pain, on enough people, for long enough.

#LetAbby&LibbyRIP

JMO

 

[flashy09]

Seems to me the same ole' same ole'. RA=BG=Killer and he won't be getting another trial IMHO. I am glad the State is taking its time to answer, always better safe than sorry.

If anyone has any doubt that it was him, listen to his LE interviews and look and listen to the man on the bridge. That will erase any doubt along with all the other evidence...like his confessions, him placing himself there at the time, etc.

The timing of RA's psychosis is just soooo conveniently close to the same day or so that he was given the State's evidence against him. He knew he was done and decided to make a snack out of it. Hah

Go away and stay away RA, you've inflicted enough pain, on enough people, for long enough.

#LetAbby&LibbyRIP

JMO

For sure I think he's guilty, I just thought that article had some more of what he was doing/saying that I hadn't heard before.
I feel like his Bible reading or guilty conscience got to him enough that he wanted to confess to his wife and mom for his own sake, but not be held to it so he played crazy at the same time. He sounded very coherent in the confessions I heard.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Nah, I do not believe RA’s appeal will succeed, and am not interested in reading one more tortured attempt at getting this child killer back on the street.
I do however want to hear the State’s response and I check everyday just in case they get it in early.

 

[girlhasnoname]

For sure I think he's guilty, I just thought that article had some more of what he was doing/saying that I hadn't heard before.
I feel like his Bible reading or guilty conscience got to him enough that he wanted to confess to his wife and mom for his own sake, but not be held to it so he played crazy at the same time. He sounded very coherent in the confessions I heard.

I was eye rolling at RA not your post @flashy09, I'm sorry, I hope it didn't come across that way.

I believe RA played crazy like a fox once he found out the evidence against him. He's a master manipulator IMO, plus I'm sure the Ringling Brothers Defense Duo urged him to be as crazy as possible once they got the call from the Mrs. saying he was confessing on a recorded line.

I think his Poor Richard Bible 'show' during court was a complete farce. Judge Gull said after the verdict he was very hostile looking towards her, rolling his eyes at witnesses and his physical outbursts while being held in jail during the trial.

Sounds like an Explosive Temper, NARC, Child Murderer to me. I hope he rots behind bars.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

Iirc the worst of his in-custody behavior was a reaction to his wife and mother pulling back contact in order for him not to continue confessing to them.

I suspect there was a not unfamiliar history of that. Sick dynamic. Act out, get attention, get reinforcement for acting out. Like a petulant child.

And his other pattern -- threaten to take his life. Mental health/suicidal ideation is one thing; he however was employing emotional manipulation, coercive control -- it'll be your fault if I die so you need to [insert demand] or I'll die and it'll be your fault.

This depraved adult man, abducted two little girls at gunpoint, for the purposes of SA, terrorized them, forced them to undress, had 14-18 minutes alone with him -- the horrors of which we don't want to imagine -- before fatally slashing them and watching them bleed out, and the only thing that mattered to him was whether his mommy and his wifey wouldn't be mad at him for doing.

He wanted assurance that they'd love him and never leave him.

No ownership of the terror he inflicted on two little girls, the nightmare to their families, the eternal loss, the bottomless grief -- love with nowhere to go.

Just his own sorry comfort.

Revolting. He wasn't psychotic. He was acting psychotic because it was the first time probably in his lifetime that he had gone too far, and the thought of them not talking to him was more than his fragile self was willing to accept.

Never mind that the interruption in communication wasn't because they no longer wished to talk to him for having killed two little girls but rather IMO on the advice of counsel, in order to shut down the confession pipeline.

RA was never being cryptic. He wasn't ever even confessing for the forgiveness of the matter. He wanted to be unburdened by it. He knew he did it. And he knew what evidence the State had against him. IMO he accepted both.

It was his attorneys who constructed a narrative to get him off, bolstered for or by his wife and his mother. Personally, I think RA thought it would be a waste of time.

RA: I don't know if I should trust [my attorneys].
KA: you can trust them.

Once again, guilty-not guilty didn't matter to him. He just needed to know his wife and mother would still love him.

Then he'd be a good boy and behave. Which is apparently what he is doing now, in the same "solitary confinement" as before, which of course it never was. Segregated wing, segregated cell, for his own protection.

It's the pathetic RA, all about and only about him.

I'm happy to leave him behind.

Enjoying the freedoms he'll never have.

JMO

 

[Justice101]

The timing of RA's psychosis is just soooo conveniently close to the same day or so that he was given the State's evidence against him. He knew he was done and decided to make a snack out of it. Hah

Yep, that is when he found out they had found that bullet.

 

[snooptroop88]

I was eye rolling at RA not your post @flashy09, I'm sorry, I hope it didn't come across that way.

I believe RA played crazy like a fox once he found out the evidence against him. He's a master manipulator IMO, plus I'm sure the Ringling Brothers Defense Duo urged him to be as crazy as possible once they got the call from the Mrs. saying he was confessing on a recorded line.

I think his Poor Richard Bible 'show' during court was a complete farce. Judge Gull said after the verdict he was very hostile looking towards her, rolling his eyes at witnesses and his physical outbursts while being held in jail during the trial.

Sounds like an Explosive Temper, NARC, Child Murderer to me. I hope he rots behind bars.

JMO

(respectfully bolded) I can't help but emit a wicked chuckle on this. They really were like a circus act. I will never forget that trial, by the end, it really was AODDI, any other dude did it. (Who can we find??) Literally nobody was beyond suspicion in the eyes of the "defense"-- except "Rick," of course.

I hope this serves as a cautionary tale for defendants who pursue this line of "defense" in the future. The best defense isn't always a "good" (i.e. aggressive, maybe as crazy as you are-- but with a law license) offense (jmo).

He'd have rotted anywhere, behind bars or not, but jmo. But as they rot, they take more victims, so best to keep them where they belong.

Tragic he couldn't have always been where he belonged.

 

[Justice101]

(respectfully bolded) I can't help but emit a wicked chuckle on this. They really were like a circus act. I will never forget that trial, by the end, it really was AODDI, any other dude did it. (Who can we find??) Literally nobody was beyond suspicion in the eyes of the "defense"-- except "Rick," of course.

I hope this serves as a cautionary tale for defendants who pursue this line of "defense" in the future. The best defense isn't always a "good" (i.e. aggressive, maybe as crazy as you are-- but with a law license) offense (jmo).

He'd have rotted anywhere, behind bars or not, but jmo. But as they rot, they take more victims, so best to keep them where they belong.

Tragic he couldn't have always been where he belonged.

In 100% hind site, all RA had to do was get rid of that gun and those left over bullets. Chuck them in the river anytime 2 months to 4 years after the murders.... and no evidence. Enough big rivers around to find one to do it at night would even be better. But he did not do that.

Without that, I personally don't think they really had enough to convict him.

 

[FromGermany1]

Yep, that is when he found out they had found that bullet.

A good topic to confuse and annoy his dear wife a little bit.

 

[snooptroop88]

In 100% hind site, all RA had to do was get rid of that gun and those left over bullets. Chuck them in the river anytime 2 months to 4 years after the murders.... and no evidence. Enough big rivers around to find one to do it at night would even be better. But he did not do that.

Without that, I personally don't think they really had enough to convict him.

If his defense had potently attacked the credibility of the gun evidence, they'd have been a thousand times more effective than they were, but jmo. And there were a million ways they could have done it-- with a client that was genuinely innocent.

Had he disposed of the weapon, someone may have remembered he did have such a weapon at some point. Investigators could have tracked back on the weapon the same way they tracked back on the phone. But agreed, nothing would be guaranteed, which is an unsettling thought.

I think the phone did him in, but jmo. And thank goodness.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Twas the timeline that killed the beast, in my opinion.
Ballistics and confessions were add-ons.
RA put himself on the bridge. No one could take him off.

 

[Teche]

I hope RA’s wife and child can/have moved on.

 

[IminSyd]

Twas the timeline that killed the beast, in my opinion.
Ballistics and confessions were add-ons.
RA put himself on the bridge. No one could take him off.

Agree that the timeline laid a very strong foundation. But I remember during the trial being quite concerned whether the State was going to reach beyond reasonable doubt. I didn’t personally think the bullet or the confessions were really valid as the competing arguments cancelled each other out.
And then the van confession to Dr Walla came out and nailed it.
I’m interested to see the States response to the appeal, I do think they did a good job with the trial.

 

[girlhasnoname]

In 100% hind site, all RA had to do was get rid of that gun and those left over bullets. Chuck them in the river anytime 2 months to 4 years after the murders.... and no evidence. Enough big rivers around to find one to do it at night would even be better. But he did not do that.

Without that, I personally don't think they really had enough to convict him.

Definitely would have made the State's case harder, but I like to think Abby and Libby helped bring this sick man to justice with their video. I'm one of those that believes divine intervention takes place in a lot of these cases. JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Twas the timeline that killed the beast, in my opinion.
Ballistics and confessions were add-ons.
RA put himself on the bridge. No one could take him off.

I believe you started that turn of phrase and it's still one of my favorites from this case.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I hope RA’s wife and child can/have moved on.

The Daughter was thankfully absent through most of the pre trial circus, showed up to only testify to a couple of questions and then disappeared back into obscurity. I don't blame her one bit, she didn't ask for any of this.

The Mrs. on the other hand was really blabbing up a storm pre trial and during the trial. Haven't heard much about her since the trial. I would change my name, move, and leave RA=BG=Killer in the dust. Deep down she may be enjoying the freedom from that sicko ball and chain.

JMO

 

[BexLuth0r]

Honestly i think the information that came out from Kathy Allen's interviews (which I'm not sure were included in the trial??) Absolutely nail his coffin.

Who says we arent going to look for two missing girls because they might pin it on us? Pin what? There hadn't even been a crime committed as far as everyone was concerned. He let slip that he knew something was wrong.

He did it. People can claim he didnt have a fair trial but he asked for those attorneys back. He wanted them. If he was mentally unwell then he shouldnt have had a choice in the matter.

I hope he's enjoying his life in jail.

 

[INfisherman]

….and the state has filed their response early.

I’ve only read up to the point where the validity of the search warrant is being covered, but I get the feeling so far that the state is going to tear apart this appeal. Very well written & also sheds light on some facts that were not readily highlighted in most media reports or lawtuber claims. For example, BB & SC were interviewed multiple times prior to the troll’s arrest, & subsequent writing of the search warrant, & it appears they corrected their recollections of that fateful day (which I either forgot or wasn’t aware at all).

The appellate attorneys for the bridge troll basically cherry picked some facts, while leaving out others & jumped to the conclusion that this was Liggett being dishonest when authoring the warrant. Shades of Baldwinism, I believe - take some sort of psychedelic beforehand, put on some classic rock vinyl then proceed to take an event, omit facts that are vital to said event & twist it into another tale which makes it appear the accused has grounds for innocence or challenging a point of the state’s case. I’m not sure how this is allowed in court - to me, that’s more or less just outright lying, as has been done many times up to this point by those clowns.

I do get a small sense of satisfaction when I drive by Andy’s office & fly a bird out the window.

JMO

ETA brief summary - last 3 (2?) paragraphs.