GUILTY IN - Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen guilty - #220

[mrjitty]

In addition to what @Megnut posted, the abduction theory was one to which Auger was constantly alluding when discussing LG’s phone. She seemed to be the one who brought up cell jammers & blocking bags (my paraphrasing). Most likely BM simply pushing out the explanations which the defense planned to utilize at trial.

JMO


Most likely why he isn’t anyone’s counsel these days - his tactics have worn thin & one can only get away with so many lies before they’re known as nothing but a liar.

I guess those shoes fit like Cinderella’s for ‘ol Fibbin’ Bobby.

JMO

Yes, Auger floated it at the MIL hearing. This theory can only have come from the defence. But we know that the evidence was the opposite.

It seems fairly clear the defence created a conspiracy theory and got Motta to promote it

This is not that unusual for lawtube of course. One of the most popular channels has defence surrogates on the show without correcting or challenging false statements, then repeats them.

 

[Quim The Extraordinaire]

I’m playing catch up and would greatly appreciate the expertise of people here. What are the next steps? Is this now considered “fully briefed” so that the Appeals Court can assign a panel?

Is it within the court’s discretion whether to hold a hearing?

Thank you.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I am still wondering why months before trial Motta repeatedly claimed that the girls phone was switched off shortly after the abduction and then turned back on in the dead of night - proving according to Motta, that the killer(s) returned to the scene

But then at trial we learned the digital analysis showed the phone was always on, so of course the defence always knew this since the time they received the extraction.

So where did Motta get this false information from, why did he keep pushing it so often, and why did he never explain how he got this so wrong when the trial evidence finally revealed to the public that the phone was not in fact switched off?

Because he is a low life wannabe Podcaster hack IMO.

 

[snooptroop88]

Because he is a low life wannabe Podcaster hack IMO.

YES! YES!

I guess now I’ll have to return the I Bob Motta shirt I ordered for you.

Never mind on Kohberger, he probably already got one from the prison commissary before they sold out.

 

[INfisherman]

I’m playing catch up and would greatly appreciate the expertise of people here. What are the next steps? Is this now considered “fully briefed” so that the Appeals Court can assign a panel?

Is it within the court’s discretion whether to hold a hearing?

Thank you.

Hi Quim.

Appellate judges will decide if oral arguments are necessary or the oral arguments may be requested by either party who have filed their briefs. After that point, a panel of 3 judges will review everything & make a decision to reverse, uphold the lower court’s original decision or throw it back to the lower court for further action. Either side may appeal this appellate ruling to the SCOIN (Superior Court of IN).

About the Appellate Process

www.in.gov

 

[twall]

I’m playing catch up and would greatly appreciate the expertise of people here. What are the next steps? Is this now considered “fully briefed” so that the Appeals Court can assign a panel?

Is it within the court’s discretion whether to hold a hearing?

Thank you.

Appellant’s Reply Brief is due on April 23, 2026.

Indiana Courts Case Search - MyCase

Indiana Supreme Court, Public Access

public.courts.in.gov

 

[INfisherman]

For completeness or those who wish to know all that’s occurred or are tracking the appeal process.

@Quim The Extraordinaire, although this "step" was omitted in my reply above, it’s allowed for the defense to respond to the state. I am unsure if the state will be allowed to respond again or not. Regardless, this back & forth will stop & the court will pick up as outlined above.

In addition to @twall ‘s post above, RA’s appellate attorneys filed both a request for an extension (original due date for their response to the state’s brief was 09APR26) as well as a request for an oversized response again. Both motions were filed on 30MAR26, obviously prior to the judge granting the extension of time.

PDFs for the motions are attached & links to them are available via my Google Drive below if one doesn’t wish to download the attachments. Should the files on Google Drive be missing in the future, feel free to request that I reupload them.

Request for extension: RA-Verified Motion for Extension of Time for Filing Appellant’s Reply Brief-30MAR26.pdf

Request for oversized brief: RA-Belated Motion for Permission to File Oversized Appellant’s Reply Brief-30MAR26.pdf

 

[INfisherman]

Never mind on Kohberger, he probably already got one from the prison commissary before they sold out.

Off topic (last time). I doubt Brybry understands what the heart signifies, much like the clowns, even if the shirt was made from sustainable materials.

Because he is a low life wannabe Podcaster hack IMO.

As is his wife.

JMO

 

[INfisherman]

For those interested, The Murder Sheet has released 2 podcasts regarding the state’s response to RA’s appeal. They go through the state’s response & explain things quite well in layman’s terms (dumbing down much of the legalese for people like me). A bit of a warning - IMO, they spend way too much time at the beginning of Part 1 giving their opinions on the original defense team & their followers. I’d recommend skipping over that portion (~19min mark), as it adds nothing more to the episode’s subject matter other than highlighting that this response from the state was made available first by Bob Matta, prior to it being available through the IN MyCase website. I suppose they are being polite in recognizing their source for the brief by doing such.

Summary (my paraphrasing):

Spoiler: Summary

The state is going to win this appeal quite easily in their opinion. The bar for successful ineffective counsel appeals is quite high & Kevin & Áine do not feel RA has any chance with that either. Note that the only time the appellate attorneys for RA may bring up anything new (outside of the original trial & it’s evidence) will be during post conviction relief proceedings & this is not that. Post conviction relief comes afterwards.

Part 1:

The Delphi Murders: The State's Brief of Appellee: Part One

We look at the state's recent filing in the Richard Allen case. Check out our upcoming book events and get links to buy tickets here:...

murdersheetpodcast.com

Part 2:

The Delphi Murders: The State's Brief of Appellee: Part Two

We continue our look at the State's recent filing in the Richard Allen case. Check out our upcoming book events and get links to buy tickets here:...

murdersheetpodcast.com

 

[INfisherman]

A minor update in RA’s appeal. Appellate attorneys asked for both an allowance to file an oversized brief in response to the state as well as an extension to file. Both requests were granted by the CoA. The order for the extension was posted above by @twall. The order for filing an oversized brief is attached below.

Additionally, RA’s appellate attorneys filed yet another request for an additional of 4 days citing other caseloads as reason.

 

[Niner]

I am going to go ahead & post this so I can shorten it up in my notes....

*Updates on Appeals – IN – Abigail Joyce Williams (13) & Liberty Rose Lynn German (14) (Missing Feb. 13, 2017, found killed Feb. 14, 2017, after walking on a local hiking trail & were discovered around noon about 50 feet from the north bank of Deer Creek which is about 0.5 miles from the Monon High Bridge Trail, Delphi) – *Richard “Ricky/Rick” Matthew Allen (44 @ time of crime/50/now 53) arrested & booked (10/26/22) into the Carroll County Jail & charged & arraigned (10/28/22) with 2 counts of murder while committing or attempting to commit kidnapping of both victims. Plead not guilty. Initial bond @ $20M on 10/27/22. On 2/16/23 held with no bond.
Amended charges (on 1/18/24/granted on 3/18/24): 2 counts of felony murder (knowingly & intentionally), 2 counts of murder (while committing or attempting to commit kidnapping of both victims). Plead not guilty. Carroll County
Trial began with jury selection on 10/14/24 & ended 10/15/24.
Trial began on 10/18/24 & ended with closing arguments on 11/7/24. Mondays thru Fridays from 9am to 6pm. Saturdays from 9am to noon. Prosecutors rested their case on 10/31/24. Defense began their case on 10/31/24 & rested on 11/7/24 [last witnesses on 11/6/24]. Closing arguments on 11/7/24. *Jury started deliberations on 11/7/24 & ended on 11/11/24 with a verdict.
*12 jurors (7 women & 5 men) & 3 alternates (3 women). Jury was sequestered.
*Total hours by day: 11/7/24 (Day 1): ~2pm to 4pm. [2 hours]. 11/8/24 (Day 2): 9am-4pm [~7 hours]. 11/9/24 (Day 3): 9am-2pm [~5 hours]. 11/11/24 (Day 4): 9a-1:30pm [~4 ½ hours]. Total deliberation hours: ~18 ½ hours
Verdict: Guilty on all charges.
Sentenced to 130 years in prison on 12/20/24.
Allen County Judge Frances C. Gull presiding. Carroll County Prosecutor Nicholas McLeland & Special Prosecutor James David Luttrull, Jr.
Andrew Baldwin & Bradley Rozzi are Allen’s public appointed attorneys & added Jennifer Auger [addressing the circumstances surrounding digital forensics].
Appeal #25A-CR-00591 - Direct Appeals (Non Capitla, Non-LWOP) filed 3/11/25. Appeal attorneys Mark Leeman & Stacy R. Uliana.
Charges, case & court info from 4/19/21 thru 10/11/24 & Jury Selection Day 1-2 (10/14-10/15/24) & thru 10/16/24 & Trial Day 1-20 (10/18-11/9/24) & Jury Deliberations Day 1-3 (11/7-11/9/24) & thru Appeals 8/22/25 reference post #1008 here:
https://websleuths.com/threads/abby...ers-richard-allen-arrested-220.740162/page-51
10/3/25 Docket update: Appeal: Appellant has filed a Verified Motion to Compel Transmission of Exhibits & New Due Date. Appellant states the transcript does not include certain exhibits. Specifically, the exhibits filed with Appellant’s September 18, 2023 Motion for Franks Hearing & Exhibits 3A ^ 3B that were filed with Appellant’s January 20, 2025 Motion to Correct Error. These exhibits were not offered or admitted during trial or a hearing. Thus, they are not part of the transcript. However, these exhibits are part of the Clerk’s Record. See Ind. Appellate Rule 2(E). As such, the exhibits should be provided in Appellant’s Appendix. See Ind. Appellate Rule 50(B). [2] Having reviewed the matter, the Court finds & orders as follows: 1. Appellant’s Verified Motion to Compel Transmission of Exhibits & New Due Date is granted in part as a final extension. 2. Appellant’s Brief is due on October 21, 2025.
10/6/25 Docket update: Appeal: Verified Response to Motion for Reconsideration of Motion to Compel Transmission of Exhibits & new Due date filed by Allen. See post #1013, page 51, thread #220.
11/10/25 Update: Appeal: Attorneys for Allen are still working to appeal his conviction in the Delphi murders case. On Monday, Allen's defense team filed evidence in the case that they believe links the murders of Abby Williams & Libby German to a group of Odinists. See link: https://fox59.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/21/2025/11/NonConfidentialSuppExhVol1pdf-combined-2.pdf
Also post #1111, page 56, thread #220 for more info.
12/8/25 Docket update: Appeal: Order. Appellant has filed a Belated Motion for Permission to File Oversized. Appellant’s Brief & a Motion for Final Extension of Time in which to File Appellant’s Brief. Appellant’s Brief is due on December 17, 2025.
12/17/25 Docket update: Appeal: Trial Ct: 08C01-2210-MR-1 - Appellant's Brief filed by Mark K. Leeman & Stacy R. Uliana.

Brief - Appellant.pdf

drive.google.com

1/7/26 Docket updates: Appeal: State's verified Motion for extension to time to file brief & Motion for permission to file oversided brief filed by Theodore E. Rokita, IN. AG [Brief extend to & including 3/17/26. See post #1418, page 71, thread #220 for documents link.
1/9/26 Appeal Update: Order: Appellee, by counsel has filed a Verified Motion for Extension of Time to file Brief. Court finds & orders as follows: Motion is granted in part & brief is due on 2/16/26. See post #1419, page 71, thread #220 for document.
2/18/26 Docket update: Appeal: State's Verified Motion for 2nd extension of time to file brief filed. See post #1460, page 73, thread #220 for document.
2/23/26 Docket update: Appeal: Order. Appellee filed a Verified Motion for 2nd extension of time to file Brief - granted as a final extension. Brief is due on 3/30/26. See post #1461, page 74, thread #220 for document.
4/1/26 Docket update: Appeal: Appellant has filed a Verified Motion for Extension of Time for filing Appellant's reply brief. Brief is granted as a final extension due on 4/23/26 by Judge Elizabeth Santos. See post #1506, page 76, thread #220 for document.
4/6/26 Docket update: Appeal: Appellate attorneys asked for both an allowance to file an oversized brief in response to the state as well as an extension to file. Both requests were granted by the CoA. The order for filing an oversized brief. Appellant's reply brief remains due 4/23/26. 4/15/26 Docket update: RA’s appellate attorneys filed yet another request for an additional of 4 days citing other caseloads as reason. Appellant requests a 2-week extension time, up & including 4/27/26.See post #1510, page 76, thread #220 for documents.

 

[INfisherman]

Another juror from the RA murderer trial is going to be interviewed this Tuesday (21APR26) at 8PM by a YT true crime content creator with the username Frankmeister. No idea if this juror has been previously interviewed.

Link to YT channel:

True Crime Talk with Frankmeister®️

Disabled Army Veteran

youtube.com

 

[katydid23]

Appellant’s Reply Brief is due on April 23, 2026.

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Indiana Supreme Court, Public Access

public.courts.in.gov

So this coming Thursday the Appelant's brief is due?

 

[katydid23]

Another juror from the RA murderer trial is going to be interviewed this Tuesday (21APR26) at 8PM by a YT true crime content creator with the username Frankmeister. No idea if this juror has been previously interviewed.

Link to YT channel:

True Crime Talk with Frankmeister®️

Disabled Army Veteran

youtube.com

So this Tuesday we should have an interview with another Juror?

 

[INfisherman]

So this Tuesday we should have an interview with another Juror?

Hi katydid23 ,

Yes, it will be live tomorrow (Tuesday) at 8PM EDT. I assume the content will be available afterwards for viewing later as well.

Regarding the juror, all that I know is that it is a juror from the RA murder trial. I do not know if this is a new juror coming forward for an interview or if it is 1 of the 2 previous jurors who have already been interviewed. This is a live stream & the host has yet to ask the juror any questions up to this point, from what I understand.

For clarity, I saw the YT channel owner post about this interview on another site & figured I would share the information here for anyone who is interested. I do not post on that particular site (just a lurker/reader) nor am I affiliated with the YT channel or host in any way.

 

[mrjitty]

Despite the protestations of lawtube, it seems Allen really has quite a weak appeal

Not helped by the negligence of his counsel. Their representation really was atrocious.

 

[INfisherman]

So this coming Thursday the Appelant's brief is due?

Not if RA’s appellate attorneys are granted the extension they requested - see my post above with the 2 PDFs (#1,510).

 

[INfisherman]

Despite the protestations of lawtube, it seems Allen really has quite a weak appeal

Not helped by the negligence of his counsel. Their representation really was atrocious.

I suppose clowns aren’t very intimidating after all.

His case was weak the moment he inserted himself into it & opened his pie hole. His decisions were atrocious, especially when he chose to keep the clowns & eat poop (not in that order).

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Despite the protestations of lawtube, it seems Allen really has quite a weak appeal

Not helped by the negligence of his counsel. Their representation really was atrocious.

Agreed, their representation was atrocious because they themselves were atrocious. Baldwin more than Rozzi, but they were in it together so I hold them both equally to blame. The one thing that will save RA not getting a new trial on ineffective council will be his/their begging to the SCOI allowing them back on the case.

Nothing, and I mean nothing, was more sick and demented than the Defense giving their PI that big picture of the Monan High Bridge all signed with little innuendos (except the 4 Franks maybe). Two innocent young girls last act on the Earth was crossing the bridge that day and there is no way anyone can convince me that was a little ____ you to the State. Shameful behavior, but typical of the unethical stunts they pulled through the entire trial.

I hope they and their Doo Process Gang suffer the humiliation and lack of clients from their ridiculous and outright unlawful behavior during the course of that case.

Rot away little Ricky, I hope you're life is 1/10th as painful every single day as the terror and pain you put Abby and Libby through.

JMO

 

[mrjitty]

Agreed, their representation was atrocious because they themselves were atrocious. Baldwin more than Rozzi, but they were in it together so I hold them both equally to blame. The one thing that will save RA not getting a new trial on ineffective council will be his/their begging to the SCOI allowing them back on the case.

Nothing, and I mean nothing, was more sick and demented than the Defense giving their PI that big picture of the Monan High Bridge all signed with little innuendos (IMO). Two innocent young girls last act on the Earth was crossing the bridge that day and there is no way anyone can convince me that was a little ____ you to the State. Shameful behavior, but typical of the unethical stunts they pulled through the entire trial.

I hope they and their Doo Process Gang suffer the humiliation and lack of clients from their ridiculous and outright unlawful behavior during the course of that case.

Rot away little Ricky, I hope you're life is 1/10th as painful every single day as the terror and pain you put Abby and Libby through.

JMO

Crazy that they didn't preserve issues for appeal.

And I said at the time it was bonkers that they didn't itemise the grounds for suppressing the confessions. That was a critical issue for them and Rozzi was way too lazy in how he plead and presented that issue. Once the confessions came in, you are never going to get this case overturned IMO. The jury heard the confessions and found him guilty. No appeal court will mess with that.