NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #10 *Arrest*

[BrianJohnson]

I have 2 kids, and this coming from his mom is chilling. There must have been other incidents.

When the grandmother had in her will that anyone arrested, convicted etc of an offence loses their right to any money out of her estate I did wonder if that was about him, maybe no known offences committed but signs of disruptive behaviour when she was alive

 

[Friday Fan]

When the grandmother had in her will that anyone arrested, convicted etc of an offence loses their right to any money out of her estate I did wonder if that was about him, maybe no known offences committed but signs of disruptive behaviour when she was alive

I believe it was in my dad's will.

 

[stanerd]

Given it has to satisfy all 12 jurors to get a verdict my feeling is he will probably end up being found guilty of 2nd degree murder but good to see NY prosecutors going for the jugular

Or 2nd Degree Murder may be offered by the prosecution in a plea bargain. Either way, Luigi won't be surfing in Hawaii anytime soon.

 

[arielilane]

@alcaprari23


BREAKING: Manhattan District Attorney Bragg announces official indictment of Luigi Mangione for the murder of Brian Thompson.

NYC Luigi Mangione Press Conference:Bragg calls the murder a brazen, targeted and premeditated attack of Brian Thompson. "This was a frightening, well-planned, targeted murder caused to create shock..."Maximum penalty for 1st degree murder possible is life in prison without parole. 25 years to life for 2nd degree murder.


Bragg says ghost guns are increasingly proliferated throughout NYC and the country. Says more than 80 ghost guns and ghost gun parts were found in Manhattan alone. Says they are just as deadly as traditional firearms.


As for extradition, Mangione is scheduled to appear on Thursday morning in Pennsylvania. Bragg says Mangione may waive extradition, but will prepare for either outcome.


NYPD Commissioner Jessica Tisch:Says they are one step closer to securing justice for Brian Thompson's family. "Relentless collection of evidence and surveillance video" responsible for catching Mangione. This outcome, Tisch says, is why they emphasize the public's role in LE.


"We have seen a shocking and appalling celebration of cold-blooded murder. Social media has erupted with praise for this cowardly attack.""This was a senseless act of violence. It was a cold and calculated crime that stole a life and put New Yorkers at risk."


Bragg: "This was a killing that was intended to evoke terror, and we've seen this reaction. At its most basic, this was not an ordinary killing...this was extraordinary."


NEW: Missing persons report: Nov. 18, missing persons report was filed. San Francisco Police reached out to NYPD and told them Mangione resembled the suspect. NYPD was in the process of vetting the tip, including reaching out to Mangione's mother. Mom told officers about the murder: "it might be something I could see him doing.”

 

[MassGuy]

Not necessarily, if she noticed his changes in behavior post surgery including the eventual cutting off of contact with friends and family. If he had had discussions with her about his growing feelings about the health insurance business before he went no contact, she could easily make a connection. There doesn't have to be prior "incidents"--like small crimes, school suspensions, etc.

I dunno. In the overwhelming majority of cases I’ve followed, the parents simply cannot believe their son/daughter is a killer. The vast majority of these cases are of the slam dunk variety too.

So this one shocks me, especially because she wasn’t even privy to much of the evidence at that point.

So either she’s an outlier, or she perhaps saw this coming. The timing of the missing persons report coming just a couple weeks before the murder, may be evidence or that. She may have believed he was dangerous, but didn’t want to escalate things by reporting that at the time.

 

[arielilane]

NEW YORK (AP) — The man accused of killing UnitedHealthcare's CEO has been charged with murder as an act of terrorism, prosecutors said Tuesday as they worked to bring him to a New York court from from a Pennsylvania jail.

Luigi Mangione already was charged with murder in the Dec. 4 killing of Brian Thompson, but the terror allegation is new.

Suspect charged with killing UnitedHealthcare's CEO as an act of terrorism

The man accused of killing UnitedHealthcare's CEO has been charged with murder as an act of terrorism, prosecutors said Tuesday as they worked to bring him to a New York court from from a Pennsylvania jail. Luigi Mangione already was charged with murder in the Dec. 4 killing of Brian Thompson...

www.yahoo.com

12/17/2024

 

[BUF]

When the grandmother had in her will that anyone arrested, convicted etc of an offence loses their right to any money out of her estate I did wonder if that was about him, maybe no known offences committed but signs of disruptive behaviour when she was alive

It could be that his change of behavior was appearing by then.

It appears that she died in March of 2023.

Loyola celebrates the life of Loyola friend and benefactor Mary C. Mangione, MSA ’52

<p>Mary Cuba Mangione, recipient of the 2010 President’s Medal and a longtime benefactor of Loyola, passed away March 15, 2023. She was 92.</p>

www.loyola.edu

 

[arielilane]

LM should be charged with every thing the law allows.

jmo

 

[MassGuy]

LM should be charged with every thing the law allows.

jmo

Well it certainly looks like that’s exactly what happened. I was shocked when I learned how the New York first degree murder statute was written.

Second degree was not remotely enough here.

 

[arielilane]

Posting for those not reading the thread above. bbm

@alcaprari23


NEW: Missing persons report: Nov. 18, missing persons report was filed. San Francisco Police reached out to NYPD and told them Mangione resembled the suspect. NYPD was in the process of vetting the tip, including reaching out to Mangione's mother. Mom told officers about the murder: "it might be something I could see him doing."


3:49 PM · Dec 17, 2024

 

[Sundog]

Thinking of Brian Thompson's family, friends and colleagues today as they see the legal process now moving forward and the process for justice for Brian begins.

 

[DizzyB]

Wow. Last sentence.

NEW: Missing persons report: Nov. 18, missing persons report was filed. San Francisco Police reached out to NYPD and told them Mangione resembled the suspect. NYPD was in the process of vetting the tip, including reaching out to Mangione's mother. Mom told officers about the murder: "it might be something I could see him doing."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1869122883252834727

Just heard that on the tv. I guess that answers a lot of questions we have been asking. His own mom knew.

 

[Friday Fan]

I dunno. In the overwhelming majority of cases I’ve followed, the parents simply cannot believe their son/daughter is a killer. The vast majority of these cases are of the slam dunk variety too.

So this one shocks me, especially because she wasn’t even privy to much of the evidence at that point.

So either she’s an outlier, or she perhaps saw this coming. The timing of the missing persons report coming just a couple weeks before the murder, may be evidence or that. She may have believed he was dangerous, but didn’t want to escalate things by reporting that at the time.

Sounds like a "fed up" parent. However, it's hard to read the tea leaves from one sentence. So, it's just MOO

 

[MassGuy]

Sounds like a "fed up" parent. However, it's hard to read the tea leaves from one sentence. So, it's just MOO

Yes. There’s a lot of background/context we don’t know. It sucks, but we’re going to be waiting a long time to get those answers.

 

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[Sundog]

I dunno. In the overwhelming majority of cases I’ve followed, the parents simply cannot believe their son/daughter is a killer. The vast majority of these cases are of the slam dunk variety too.

So this one shocks me, especially because she wasn’t even privy to much of the evidence at that point.

So either she’s an outlier, or she perhaps saw this coming. The timing of the missing persons report coming just a couple weeks before the murder, may be evidence or that. She may have believed he was dangerous, but didn’t want to escalate things by reporting that at the time.

She might have also been afraid of him, especially if he was having a psychotic break with reality. She might not have known what to do.

 

[tlcya]

Wow. Last sentence.

NEW: Missing persons report: Nov. 18, missing persons report was filed. San Francisco Police reached out to NYPD and told them Mangione resembled the suspect. NYPD was in the process of vetting the tip, including reaching out to Mangione's mother. Mom told officers about the murder: "it might be something I could see him doing."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1869122883252834727

I cannot locate the article now because it was from the day of LM's arrest or the day following, but the article referenced LM's mother had reported him missing because she had noted concerning "behaviors". I recall it because it was my first hint that maybe LM was suffering from a mental health crisis, either bipolar 1 with psychotic features or schizophrenia. I suspect LM's mother had concerns along those lines when she reported him missing. I cannot locate that article now so take this with as many grains of salt as you wish.

For the reasons above I would not be at all surprised if she had said that to officers. Something concerned her enough to report her adult 26 year old son missing.

 

[Tiff23fr]

She might have also been afraid of him, especially if he was having a psychotic break with reality. She might not have known what to do.

Another possibility could include becoming the “hero”, or doing what he felt he needed to do to gain or maintain the approval of someone. There is so much missing context.

 

[10ofRods]

When the grandmother had in her will that anyone arrested, convicted etc of an offence loses their right to any money out of her estate I did wonder if that was about him, maybe no known offences committed but signs of disruptive behaviour when she was alive

The thing is, both a will and a trust become inoperative once the estate is dispensed. IOW, she left her estate to 10 children, not to 47 people. Her attempt to control what each of those children then does with her estate is very weak. It's common for the elderly to put conditions or suggestions in their wills - but they are often not legally binding.

Except for one fairly rare type of trust, the trust dies with the person who endowed it. The instructions within the will as to how to distribute the trust takes place. The estate is distributed. And it's over. The dead person's wishes for a third generation to be bound by their wishes really doesn't have much force - or an easy way to do it, in the US.

Had she made an irrevocable trust (as people do when they endow philanthropies), then the $30 million would be sitting in that trust. Except she intended to distribute it equally to 10 offspring - which is what happened. So now, no more ability to control what the heirs will do.

Heirs may be morally bound by grandma's wishes but I'll bet a lot of donuts that each of those heirs has used the money as they see fit (and might not even leave any to their own children - no guarantee). If LM's parents want to go change the conditions of their own will and trust to exclude LM, they have to do that - it's not going to happen automatically due to words in an already-probated will.

IMO. Would love for one of our lawyers to weigh in, if there are other scenarios.

Estate pays off the bills of the deceased; trust is protected from that event; will is probated; trust is distributed. It's over.

 

[Arkay]

Jessica Tisch - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

NYC Police Commissioner Tisch has only been on the job for a few weeks and was handed this enormous case. She was previously the NYC Sanitation Commissioner and I was concerned that she wouldn’t get up to speed fast enough, but I think she has.

I’m not personally a fan of Alvin Bragg, but I definitely believe terrorism, hence Murder 1 included, is the appropriate charge.

LM did strike terror in the hearts of many and has caused fear not only among CEOs but ordinary New Yorkers as well. A murder in midtown at break of day is not typical here.

Side note——Tisch’s father is the CEO of Lowe’s, so if LM’s act of murder stirs unbalanced people to blame CEOs then maybe this was back of her mind.

Although I don’t think that someone’s La-Z-Boy not working properly can compare to the angst of those who are defeated by their health insurance company.

I’ve previously stated, however, that I no longer think LM was really all that concerned with UHC in particular. He wasn’t insured by them and I believe he was lost in grandiosity since the Pythagorean Theorem was already done. He wanted to make a huge move and he did.

Now I hope he gets what he deserves.

I wish I would get called for his jury duty, but I’d be thrown out during voir dire.

JMO