NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #10 *Arrest*

[legalese]

It's not UHC who would offer a plea deal- it's the state of New York. There' s no reason to "make it go away". They've already gotten the bad publicity because it happened there and he escaped NY for 5 days. They have no obligation to offer him a plea deal, nor to accept on he might offer. Plea deals are usually offered when it's a weak case. I don't think the healthcare industry will be impacted long-term by this one-off whacko, even if there is some public support for him.
If he wanted to be a "sympathetic defendant", he'd have had a much better case if he had actually had United Healthcare and he or a loved one had actually been denied coverage by them. He was able to obtain back surgery from whoever was his healthcare provider.

This is not accurate. The vast majority of criminal cases—both state and federal—are resolved via plea bargain.

https://www.npr.org/2023/02/22/1158356619/plea-bargains-criminal-cases-justice

 

[LinasK]

It also saves the DA’s Office a lot of time, effort, and money, and it avoids the risk of not guilty verdicts or jury nullification.

I just don't see it happening in this case, even being on the heels of the Daniel Penny case.

 

[NuttMegg]

They are the ones with incentive to make it go away, not the justice system in New York.

Well, I did say that.

 

[LinasK]

I didn't say it was UHC who would offer a plea deal.

Okay, so do you think the prosecutor's office in NY will consult with UHC as to whether they should offer a plea deal or not?

 

[NuttMegg]

Okay, so do you think the prosecutor's office in NY will consult with UHC as to whether they should offer a plea deal or not?

Imo that's not how things happen.

 

[acutename]

What should be interesting is the release of info re terrorism. So little has been brought up re the lead up to this. Is there any past/present direct interactions. What are unknown to the public terroristic interactions. So much to uncover. Did uhc communicate with him. Will he be treated medically. if truly malpractice and pain having caused hysteria, etc. Was there anything to disrupt his thinking, testing, psychological in nature?, mostly as a younger srudent. Was he on radars? This case is very very timely and has peaked a lot of interest. It appears ro have really caused awareness

we do not know the source of the "threats" BT's wife mentioned

 

[Jamara3]

It's not UHC who would offer a plea deal- it's the state of New York. I don't see a reason to "make it go away". They've already gotten the bad publicity because it happened there and he escaped NY for 5 days. They have no obligation to offer him a plea deal, nor to accept on he might offer. Plea deals are usually offered when it's a weak case. I don't think the healthcare industry will be impacted long-term by this one-off whacko, even if there is some public support for him.
If he wanted to be a "sympathetic defendant", he'd have had a much better case if he had actually had United Healthcare and he or a loved one had actually been denied coverage by them. He was able to obtain back surgery from whoever was his healthcare provider.

UHC certainly has enough power and political backing to be working very closely with the DA on this. Or someone will, like a politician who will be in the DA’s ear. This case is entirely politics at this point. From an anti terrorism perspective for NYPD/FBI and a public criticism/policy perspective from UHC’s. I will not be surprised to see UHC wanting this to go away quickly and quietly to protect shareholder value. AI is the big thing they’re pitching at shareholder meetings, they certainly don’t like that their new ai tools are now in the news for the wrong reasons.
For NYPD/FBI, they may not be keen on all of the details of the investigation being made public through discovery and court arguments. At best it could expose flaws, at worst may force them to reveal surveillance tactics that were used that haven’t been disclosed. I think he will definitely be offered a plea deal but with that said, I could also foresee him declining it.

 

[LinasK]

Imo that's not how things happen.

I guess the question is who the victim is- Brian Thompson's family, UHC, or both. Who gets input on any possible plea deal.

 

[acutename]

Talk about a nail in the coffin... Harsh stuff coming from a mother's mouth, especially at a time she still did not have any certainty he was the one who had committed the murder and the impression (and how damaging) this comment could ''imprint'' on police officers listening to it.

This sentence has left me KO, I am not going to lie, it is hard to read a mother reaching that stage of feeling fed up perhaps? and as I was just mentioning to my buddies in the private chat we have for this case, it has made me wonder what was the actual state of the mother/son relationship (broken or in the process of?) before he went ''missing'' from family/friends.

Jmoo.

remember the family hired a detective to try to find LM- that in itself is pretty unusual IMO
Luigi Mangione 'mysteriously cut off family and went missing': Source
I am still getting a James Holmes vibe. Just because you are intelligent and educated, it does not mean that you are sane.

 

[NuttMegg]

UHC certainly has enough power and political backing to be working very closely with the DA on this. Or someone will, like a politician who will be in the DA’s ear. This case is entirely politics at this point. From an anti terrorism perspective for NYPD/FBI and a public criticism/policy perspective from UHC’s. I will not be surprised to see UHC wanting this to go away quickly and quietly to protect shareholder value. AI is the big thing they’re pitching at shareholder meetings, they certainly don’t like that their new ai tools are now in the news for the wrong reasons.
For NYPD/FBI, they may not be keen on all of the details of the investigation being made public through discovery and court arguments. At best it could expose flaws, at worst may force them to reveal surveillance tactics that were used that haven’t been disclosed. I think he will definitely be offered a plea deal but with that said, I could also foresee him declining it.

I agree completely with all of that. I do think the "terrorism" is a bit eyerolling, but I'm glad they are overplaying their hand. Every single person who has gone to bed yet sicker after dealing with these middle men knows health "terrorism" when it happens to them.

 

[acutename]

UHC certainly has enough power and political backing to be working very closely with the DA on this. Or someone will, like a politician who will be in the DA’s ear. This case is entirely politics at this point. From an anti terrorism perspective for NYPD/FBI and a public criticism/policy perspective from UHC’s. I will not be surprised to see UHC wanting this to go away quickly and quietly to protect shareholder value. AI is the big thing they’re pitching at shareholder meetings, they certainly don’t like that their new ai tools are now in the news for the wrong reasons.
For NYPD/FBI, they may not be keen on all of the details of the investigation being made public through discovery and court arguments. At best it could expose flaws, at worst may force them to reveal surveillance tactics that were used that haven’t been disclosed. I think he will definitely be offered a plea deal but with that said, I could also foresee him declining it.

Imagine that BT's family has as much or more input than UHC- are we going to see a victim impact statement from a company?

 

[eishish]

I find that to be crazy. Wow.

Find it crazy that his family is very involved in he medical field and this is what he deduced by his experiences with insurance. Plus they are active members of that group earning their living. Am asre they care

 

[eishish]

remember the family hired a detective to try to find LM- that in itself is pretty unusual IMO
Luigi Mangione 'mysteriously cut off family and went missing': Source
I am still getting a James Holmes vibe. Just because you are intelligent and educated, it does not mean that you are sane.

Not holmes, lol.

 

[NuttMegg]

I guess the question is who the victim is- Brian Thompson's family, UHC, or both. Who gets input on any possible plea deal.

I think Jamara3 explained it better than I can. But you have a point, because in the Watts case (Colorado) the victims' family did have input into "death penalty vs plea deal/lwp". But I think the BT family would probably want the whole thing to disappear, too, for many valid reasons.

 

[LinasK]

Not holmes, lol.

Elizabeth Holmes?

 

[Luna20]

I dunno. In the overwhelming majority of cases I’ve followed, the parents simply cannot believe their son/daughter is a killer. The vast majority of these cases are of the slam dunk variety too.

So this one shocks me, especially because she wasn’t even privy to much of the evidence at that point.

So either she’s an outlier, or she perhaps saw this coming. The timing of the missing persons report coming just a couple weeks before the murder, may be evidence or that. She may have believed he was dangerous, but didn’t want to escalate things by reporting that at the time.

What prompted her to file that report in November? They had not spoken since the summer so I’m curious why she waited. Was she used to him disappearing with no contact?

 

[CrimeDawg123]

Okay, so do you think the prosecutor's office in NY will consult with UHC as to whether they should offer a plea deal or not?

I sure hope not. Consult with the victim's family maybe. But I wouldn't think it appropriate to consult with UHC.

 

[eishish]

Elizabeth Holmes?

No Aurora shooter...manifesto, smart, keeping to self, more kazynskish. Prolly where theyre getting terrorist from. Luigi was very set on his agenda and has many followers. Eagerly awaiting HIS story

 

[NuttMegg]

Imagine that BT's family has as much or more input than UHC- are we going to see a victim impact statement from a company?

Lol. That does kind of make me imagine how that would go. I think wild horses couldn't drag UHC execs in to give an impact statement.

 

[Tiff23fr]

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“She also spoke about a report in the New York Post about extreme activists circulating a deck of cards featuring other CEOs that should be targeted for assassination.”

These are the threats of a lawless, violent mob who would trade in their own vigilanteism for the rule of law that protects us all," Tisch said.

UnitedHealthcare CEO murder suspect Luigi Mangione indicted by Manhattan district attorney

Luigi Mangione was indicted Tuesday by the Manhattan district attorney in the murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.

www.cbsnews.com