NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #10 *Arrest*

[fcavanaugh]

Can we all agree that anyone that guns someone down aka executes another person premeditated in cold blood on the street, is not of sound, rational mind?
IOW, something is definitely off in the wiring so to speak of someone that commits such an unlawful, brazen, heinous act.

Mental illness may or may not be a contributing factor or it may just be that someone is just plain evil.

I get that LM may or may not have a legit MH diagnosis/yet to be diagnosed with one. But even if he does have or potentially gets diagnosed with a MH condition during the pretrial process, doesn’t answer or absolve him of his heinous act of gunning down the CEO, BT, in the street. There are lots of diagnosed mentally ill people in the world and imo the majority don’t go around executing/assassinating people in cold blood.
In fact I’d argue most/majority of mentally ill citizens are more often than not, victims of crime.

LM wouldn’t be considered legally insane either due to all the planning/premeditation, lying in wait, running away afterwards etc. IOW, he knew what he was doing and knew it was wrong and imo needs to be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law.

I understand people’s frustrations with the health insurance industry. Most, if not all of us, have horror stories of what we or our loved ones have been through dealing with them. It’s been a problem for a very long time but murdering an industry CEO in cold blood isn’t the answer.
It sets a bad precedent if LM gets off on this/acquitted (imo he won’t)
for copycats to just start gunning people/CEO’s down in the streets that they don’t like or agree with! Not a world/society that I (most of us?) want to live in. I’d sincerely urge people on the interwebs applauding/supporting LM to put their energy into advocating for healthcare reform using civilized, proper channels instead.

IMHOO

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[BUF]

ABC Nightly News tonight said that LM’s parents were not in court today

 

[Izzylizzy]

For those of you who didn't already know it Peter@ "LYK" is an approved source at WS.

 

[SleuthJan]

ABC Nightly News tonight said that LM’s parents were not in court today

Sad overall.

 

[arielilane]

Brian Thompson​

Brian Thompson was the former CEO of UnitedHealthcare who was assassinated in New York City on December 4, 2024.

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[LinasK]

I take your point; we are all equal and deserving of justice, should we be murdered. I agree in principal.

IMO though it is not that we have here an “unequal application of the law.”
It is more an unequal application of publicity.

I’m a lifelong New Yorker. If I were murdered, LE would try to find the culprit, but only those who love me would consider it newsworthy.

Not to diminish them as human beings, but a great proportion of the murders committed in NYC proper are gang-related, or domestic violence, or something else which give the police a more narrow field of perpetrators.

This murder was a murder mystery. It took place on a world-renowned stage. It was filmed in real time.

The media is going to latch on to a case like that.

I do in fact have extended ex-in-laws of my sister’s who were murdered…the daughter killed her mother and grandmother with a police nightstick. It made the newspapers for maybe a day due to the human interest factor of a female family annihilator.

But despite not being in the spotlight, she was arrested, found guilty, and is in prison.

As there was no implied threat to anyone else, she had lesser charges than terrorism.

As long as justice was done, the remaining family did not complain that the media gave it only half a day.

JMO and experience.

It also caught my attention because we used to have United Healthcare, and my husband still does for Medicare. When the CEO of your company is shot it's newsworthy. You want to know what will happen to the company, and who will replace him at minimum, besides the details of the shooting and who did it and were they caught.

 

[LinasK]

We see this all the time in unlawful police shootings though. The state gets their shot, then the Feds get theirs.

This has even happened in murder cases, where killers are found not guilty in state court, only to be found guilty in Federal court.

Is it the simultaneous part that bothers you?

Yup! David DePape, attacker of Nancy Pelosi's husband was tried and convicted on both Federal and State charges.

 

[LinasK]

Overall, the Bel Air facility has been hit with 24 health citations over the last six years, nearly three times more than the national average of 9.6 citations.

Luigi Mangione’s family operated nursing home empire that was cited for abuse and health violations

Lorien Health Services, the Maryland nursing home empire hailed by the family of accused UnitedHealthcare CEO killer Luigi Mangione, has been repeatedly cited for abuse and health violations over t…

nypost.com

12/13/2024

So if Mangione really cared about healthcare, then why not go after them rather than the head of UHC?

 

[BUF]

I guess a new mugshot won’t be released since he’s at MDC Brooklyn (federal)

 

[Friday Fan]

I guess a new mugshot won’t be released since he’s at MDC Brooklyn (federal)

Good! The more he's out of the media, the better.

 

[Tiff23fr]

The president of a Michigan-based manufacturing company was stabbed by one of his employees during a staff meeting earlier this week, in what authorities described as a possible “copycat” of the attack on UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.

Employee stabs Michigan company president in possible 'copycat' of Brian Thompson attack

Nathan Joseph Mahoney, 31, is accused of stabbing the president of Anderson Express Inc.

www.detroitnews.com

Employees witnessed co-worker stab company president, court documents show

Employees described the alleged attacker as having a quiet demeanor, police said.

www.mlive.com

MUSKEGON, MI – Several employees at a Muskegon-area manufacturer witnessed their boss get stabbed by a fellow co-worker on Tuesday during a company meeting, court records show.
The alleged attacker, Nathan Joseph Mahoney, is now charged with attempted murder stemming from the altercation at Anderson Express in Fruitport Township.

 

[Luna20]

Overall, the Bel Air facility has been hit with 24 health citations over the last six years, nearly three times more than the national average of 9.6 citations.

Luigi Mangione’s family operated nursing home empire that was cited for abuse and health violations

Lorien Health Services, the Maryland nursing home empire hailed by the family of accused UnitedHealthcare CEO killer Luigi Mangione, has been repeatedly cited for abuse and health violations over t…

nypost.com

12/13/2024

It would be strange if we find out that there are multiple citations or anything sketch regarding the family business.

It’s very odd that no family is showing up for him. She hasn’t seen him in months. I would show up no matter if my adult child committed a murder. I’d want to observe his countenance and gather information about why it happened.

It makes me wonder if they are afraid of being exposed for something. Not showing up may be to appear as though they are disgusted with him. ‘He’s the bad guy, not us’.

Did the grandmother have a deeper reason for the criminal clause in her will? An adult she didn’t trust?

My speculation

 

[LinasK]

Good! The more he's out of the media, the better.

Yeah, I'm not liking people obsessing over his "hot" looks. Ugh! Glorifying a murderer.

 

[Columbo Was The Best]

The president of a Michigan-based manufacturing company was stabbed by one of his employees during a staff meeting earlier this week, in what authorities described as a possible “copycat” of the attack on UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.

Employee stabs Michigan company president in possible 'copycat' of Brian Thompson attack

Nathan Joseph Mahoney, 31, is accused of stabbing the president of Anderson Express Inc.

www.detroitnews.com

Employees witnessed co-worker stab company president, court documents show

Employees described the alleged attacker as having a quiet demeanor, police said.

www.mlive.com

MUSKEGON, MI – Several employees at a Muskegon-area manufacturer witnessed their boss get stabbed by a fellow co-worker on Tuesday during a company meeting, court records show.
The alleged attacker, Nathan Joseph Mahoney, is now charged with attempted murder stemming from the altercation at Anderson Express in Fruitport Township.

But where are the similarities? These are two people (victim and perpetrator) who worked together and therefore knew each other. No stalking, no political agenda, no manifesto, but two men in the same office and attending a company meeting, so either a disagreement that escalated to mad proportions or one hating the other and/or being jealous of the other's achievements.

Jmoo.

 

[kae27]

I was under the impression that the December 4th conference was for institutional investors. Of course the invitees learned of the event long before November, but how did LM get these details prior to the public press release (which does not mention a specific location in NYC)? Are regular shareholders (if LM even is one) notified of these conferences as well?

You are correct, and as to your last question, no, they are not.

 

[al66pine]

Any Claim for Loss of Income? Living Exp, Travel $ ?

I wonder whether he filed for loss of income due to back injury that, according to him, did not respond to 18 months of conservative treatment. If so, and he received a small settlement for a few months of job loss, would that be the monopoly money?

@otto
Putting aside any connection w monopoly money, I wonder about any back-injury-claim filing which might have resulted in a "small settlement for a few months of job loss."
ATM I can’t find your excellent chronology of events (TYVM) to help untangle my brain jumble, so hope you can excuse time glitches. Several possibilities for claims generally, but not seeing a probability for LM to explain source of living & travel expenses.

--- A Claim for Workers Compensation? Provides wage replacement (& medical benefits for injury) to employees injured in the course of employment.
Seems unlikely imo his professed back injury was WORK RELATED, giving rise to a WC claim. IIRC, at time professed injury LM had already parted ways from TrueCar.

--- A Claim for Disability Insurance thru private insurance policy, either thru TrueCar employment or as an individual policy purchaser? Insures the employee’s/beneficiary's earned income against risk that a disability prevents employee from core work functions, altho usu. does not pay benefit at 100% of earned income. Although a stereotypical 20+ y/o may not buy coverage (believing in own invincibility. Well, didn’t we all at that age? Lol ), it’s possible he did. If so, policy may have wait period – up to 3 to 6 mo.- of disability before payments are initiated on a monthly basis, not a lump sum type “settlement.”

--- A Claim for Social Security Disability Insurance? Monthly benefits to people w a medically determinable physical or mental disability restricting their ability to be employed. Only pays benefits in cases in which the disability is expected to last at least one year or result in death." Possibly for LM? IDK

--- A Claim for Unemployment Insurance/Benefits? Generally paid by state govts, funded largely by st. & fed payroll taxes levied on employers, to an employee who has become unemployed through NO FAULT of their own.
I've read differing versions of his separation from TrueCar, but back injury does not seem to be relevant.
1. LM (may have) simply QUIT (from boredom, what-ev). If so, no UI/B benefit for him.
2. TrueCar (may have) terminated him "FOR CAUSE."
If so, no dough. TY, Johnnie Cochran.
3. LM was one of 100+ employees laid off in June 2023. Then a UI/B waiting period, maybe a couple weeks? If ex-employees were/would be eligible for UI/B, IIUC they would also have to be available for & accept offers of suitable work. Was LM? IIUC UI/B is paid every two weeks, so not lump sum type “settlement.” Per a veeery quick peek at CA website,* may be paid for only 26 weeks.

--- If, as a one of the 100+ ppl laid off, LM was provided a SEVERANCE PACKAGE, that may have included sufficient $ for LM to roam, esp’ly in any lower cost destinations, for multiple months. Or maybe not sufficient in & of itself, IDK.

Personally not seeing any back INJURY factoring into the equation to gin up $ for LM, but I may be overlooking something.

Even from his relatively brief CAREER, LM may - emphasis on may - have squirreled away enough acorns (hi to @INfisherman) to pay for his post-employment living expenses & travels.

A person serving as trustee (related to LM or not) may have disbursed TRUST funds to him or that same person may have reached into own pocket to give LM to live on for months.

IDK but doubt any back injury claim settlement paid LM’s way since his TrueCar days.

Welcoming clarifications or corrections to ^ ideas as ICB Wrong.

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https://edd.ca.gov/siteassets/files/unemployment/pdf/benefit-flowchart.pdf

 

[LinasK]

Plenty of "average" murders DO get coverage here and on true crime channels. It also depends on whether or not the victim's family wishes to publicize their case. Some families don't want the attention. This case is extremely newsworthy because of the job of the victim and the fact that it was in broad daylight on a busy street in a major city.

 

[Tiff23fr]

But where are the similarities? These are two people (victim and perpetrator) who worked together and therefore knew each other. No stalking, no political agenda, no manifesto, but two men in the same office and attending a company meeting, so either a disagreement that escalated to mad proportions or one hating the other and/or being jealous of the other's achievements.

Jmoo.

https://www.woodtv.com/news/muskegon-county/docs-employee-who-stabbed-company-president-wore-mask-led-police-on-chase/

He left the meeting, put on his black medical mask, came back in for the stabbing and then took police on a chase.

According to a probable cause affidavit, Mahoney came back ten minutes later wearing a black medical mask. Mahoney then allegedly walked up to the company president and stuck a knife with a 4-inch blade into his rib cage.

 

[Columbo Was The Best]

https://www.woodtv.com/news/muskegon-county/docs-employee-who-stabbed-company-president-wore-mask-led-police-on-chase/

He left the meeting, put on his black mask, came back in for the stabbing and then took police on a chase.

According to a probable cause affidavit, Mahoney came back ten minutes later wearing a black medical mask. Mahoney then allegedly walked up to the company president and stuck a knife with a 4-inch blade into his rib cage.

Thank you; the black medical mask is a similarity.

 

[justpeachy22]

I wonder if he is on medication, possibly back on medication that he stopped taking six months ago. His new attorney may be pursuing the mental health legal defense, and is getting started early.

Just speculation, because he is acting calmer, even though still looking around.

After today, it seems to me Defense seems to be trying to craft an image of him being calm, clean-cut, handsome, and a regular guy. Won't work, but they can try.

lol isn’t ‘limited resources’ the core of the issue? The idea that only high profile cases merit this level of attention just reinforces systemic inequity. Resources exist. They’re just used based on who society deems ‘important’. Which is exactly my issue.

Saying ‘the public just isn’t interested’ totally ignores how the media has shaped interest in this case. I guarantee you the relatives of those slain in unsolved cases are ‘interested’. They just don’t get coverage. Saying that just perpetuates the cycles where people think some lives matter less.

Public pressure plays a role, sure. But it shouldn’t take a billionaire being assassinated for law enforcement to act so speedily. If the system can handle this case with this much vigor, in my opinion, there’s no excuse not to treat others the same way.

Instead of excusing disparities, we should be asking how to ensure ALL victims receive fair treatment and justice. Public attention doesn’t justify inequity.

Let me remind you that justice isn’t about public interest or profitability. It’s a constitutional right. EQUAL protection under the law. Every person deserves the same access to justice, and it’s disappointing to see that disparity being justified instead of critically examined. It’s clear we’re approaching this from fundamentally different perspectives, so I’ll be removing myself from this particular sub-discussion. IMO

You could look at the flip side of your argument and say that a white guy is getting overcharged and even given the public walk of shame today on the pier. People who assassinated US presidents didn't even get this type of treatment (times are different today though). Lots of "high levels of attention" going on with this case all around. And I fully see your point.