NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #10 *Arrest*

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

“Mangione was “the only name whose FaceTime calls I would pick up. He was one of my absolute best, closest, most trusted friends,” she wrote in the caption of a TikTok video, which showed Mangione — who now stands accused of killing Brian Thompson, 50, on the streets of Midtown — holding mochi ice cream at a grocery store with giggling alongside Le.

He was well liked by people. He wasn’t a big partier or anything like that. He loved hiking and doing things with people. He [helped start] a book club,” Ryan said.

But, the Maryland native’s medical issues took a turn for the worse after he strained his back during a group surfing lesson that worsened his already injured lower back, according to R.J. Martin, who became friends with Mangione in 2022.”

Inside Luigi Mangione’s time as a beach bum in Hawaiian paradise — with accused UnitedHealthcare CEO assassin tickling girls, Tinder matching a yoga guru

“Of course I’m shocked but there was a darkness to him that was always there,” one pal told The Post.

nypost.com

He liked people and being engaged with people. He was energized by his friends, leading a book club, traveling, meeting new people while traveling and seems to have been a likeable, caring person who connected well with people.

Clearly something happened that caused a major personality change with distorted thinking. Besides his physical illnesses, he seems to have also developed some type of mental illness. IMO

 

[CrimeDawg123]

All in the family
"A husband and wife powerhouse attorney couple are now involved in the two biggest crime cases in the nation ... that of Diddy and Luigi Mangione."

Luigi Mangione Hires Top NY Attorney Karen Friedman Agnifilo

A husband and wife powerhouse attorney couple are now involved in the two biggest crime cases in the nation ... that of Diddy and Luigi Mangione.

www.tmz.com

 

[Sundog]

• His 40-year career includes prosecuting the Etan Patz murder and Brooke Astor swindle cases.
• Colleagues say he's tenacious and detail-obsessed, with an expertise in fighting psych defenses.

Luigi Mangione's NY prosecutor is Joel Seidemann, a Manhattan DA veteran described as a 'firecracker' in court

The 26-year-old accused in the Manhattan ambush murder of UnitedHealthcare's CEO will face a 40-year prosecutor one colleague calls a "firecracker."

www.businessinsider.com

Glad to see that the prosecutor has expertise in fighting pysch defenses. From her comments om MSM, it sounds like LM's NY attorney may explore mental health issues for LM's defense.

 

[Tiff23fr]

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Glad to see thta the prosecutor has expertise in fighting pysch defenses. From her comments om MSM, it sounds like LM's NY attorney may explore mental health issues for LM's defense.

And IMO, this is where it is going to be interesting:
I don’t feel he wants his mentality in question, perhaps he has laid out his case in his notebook to the best of his educational abilities.
It is now up to his Lawyer to do what she is being funded to do. (ETA: not a dis toward her, she is paid to do a job.)

 

[Sundog]

i wonder if they could be working pro-bono because it’s such a high profile case? (no other signs pointing towards this, just a thought)


i liked mr. dickey, i wish we got to see more of him!

I think the parents knew that LM would be best served with a local PA attorney to deal with the issue of his extradition and initial charges in PA and so Mr. Dickey was selected and he appears to have done a good job. The parents knew they had to get a very high-powered attorney in New York City due to the seriousness of the charge and the national and international attention to this case.

Mr. Dickey did mention to the media that he would be willing to stay on as LM's attorney if asked and noted that he felt that he had "bonded" with LM. I am sure that LM appreciated having someone on his side in Altoona following his arrest, but it is natural that the parents would select a NY City attorney with the expertise and experience in NY courts to represent their son.

The parents must be the ones paying for his new attorney, unless LM does have an inheritance or allowance or some other source of money (trust fund, etc.). Not only will his new attorney's fees be high, but also all the expert witnesses she will likely call upon to provide testimony in his trial.

 

[Sundog]

IMO this murder result of an emotionally unwell individual
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not the result of a “system” of government.

There are no answers to find in his writings, social media or travels. His mind is in disarray. We will soon learn that LM is unfit for trial.

If his defense lawyer argues that he is unfit for trial, and presents evidence that the court agrees on, then LM will be placed in state treatment to receive treatment until he is fit for trial, and then he will go on trial. It might save him from Rikers for a little while, but not forever.

 

[JDG]

I think the parents knew that LM would be best served with a local PA attorney to deal with the issue of his extradition and initial charges in PA and so Mr. Dickey was selected and he appears to have done a good job. The parents knew they had to get a very high-powered attorney in New York City due to the seriousness of the charge and the national and international attention to this case.

Mr. Dickey did mention to the media that he would be willing to stay on as LM's attorney if asked and noted that he felt that he had "bonded" with LM. I am sure that LM appreciated having someone on his side in Altoona following his arrest, but it is natural that the parents would select a NY City attorney with the expertise and experience in NY courts to represent their son.

The parents must be the ones paying for his new attorney, unless LM does have an inheritance or allowance or some other source of money (trust fund, etc.). Not only will his new attorney's fees be high, but also all the expert witnesses she will likely call upon to provide testimony in his trial.

Is there a link stating his lawyer was retained by his parents please?

 

[Seattle1]

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His former employer confirmed to USA TODAY that he left his job at the website in 2023.

There is still a look left/look right on the True Car departure. Did he leave on his own or did he really get laid off?

In the end I don’t think it much matters, his end game and the root cause was the same.

'Nothing more, nothing less': Writings show wandering path across the globe for Luigi Mangione

From Maryland to Asia, murder suspect Luigi Mangione traversed the globe before CEO Brian Thompson was killed. His travels shed light on him.

www.usatoday.com

Post COVID, several corps went through shakeups including True Car, Inc that that laid off 24% of their headcount in June 2023. If he wasn't part of that, he read his environment and responded accordingly. He had a good run here beginning 2020. Nobody has accused him of lacking intelligence.

SANTA MONICA, Calif., June 14, 2023 /PRNewswire/ -- TrueCar, Inc. (NASDAQ: TRUE) today announced a strategic restructuring to streamline the organization, including a workforce reduction impacting approximately 102 positions, or 24% of the Company's headcount, and the appointment of Jantoon Reigersman as President and Chief Executive Officer. Mr. Reigersman succeeds Michael Darrow, who is departing TrueCar and vacating his position on the Board.

 

[slowpoke]

There is a lot to unpack in here regarding his time in HI:

Inside Luigi Mangione’s time as a beach bum in Hawaiian paradise — with accused UnitedHealthcare CEO assassin tickling girls, Tinder matching a yoga guru

“Of course I’m shocked but there was a darkness to him that was always there,” one pal told The Post.

nypost.com

Just me, but I hate tickling, so the photo of him tickling the two female friends made me recoil.

JMO

 

[Sundog]

According to the lawyers quoted in this Guardian article, it seems that he would only need to show this kind of moral confusion at the time of the act, and not be incapable of directing his own defence?

“If you are suffering from a substantial mental disease or defect, then it makes it unlikely that you could really appreciate the consequences of the acts, and that it was wrong based on your mental health at the time of the act.”

And according to a lawyer in New York, the 'extreme emotional disturbance' defence could be used, which, if successful, would bring down his sentence to 5-25 years:

“So what you’re left with is potentially a psych defense. Based solely on what’s out there, [it is] possible that extreme emotional disturbance was at play. Usually, these defenses are ‘something terrible happened, and somebody snaps’."

The lawyer thinks that the 'extreme emotional disturbance' defence would be Luigi's best chance.

[Edited to add italics.]

‘Only one viable defense’: how might the CEO murder case play out in court?

Lawyers weigh suspect’s options to fight charge he murdered UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson

www.theguardian.com

From what we have read on here about the prosecutor assigned to this case in NYC, I think he has a good chance of successfully prosecuting and prevailing against any defense attempt to go the mental health route. If he's known for his scathing critique and use of one-liners, etc. to simply the facts for the jury, then he's got a lot of evidence/material at his disposal to choose from.

JMO.

 

[Sundog]

That's quite different to him being declared "unfit for trial" which is the point I was responding to.

You make a valid point, though. I'm not sure how successful that defence would be, however, as demonstrating that he had no forethought or appreciation of his acts is surely an uphill battle given the extreme level of planning and his days of attempting to evade being caught. He clearly must have known that what he was doing was wrong.

His notebook writings indicate that he knew what he was doing was wrong, but that he had decided to go ahead and do it anyway, for some kind of cause that he believed in.

 

[Tiff23fr]

Post COVID, several corps went through shakeups including True Car, Inc that that laid off 24% of their headcount in June 2023. If he wasn't part of that, he read his environment and responded accordingly. He had a good run here beginning 2020. Nobody has accused him of lacking intelligence.

I choose option B.
he read his environment
He was educated and groomed to Lead and make his place.
If this goes where my gut feels, there may be some very difficult conversations on the horizon.
Pre-study suggestions: Economics 101

ETA: BUT THIS WAS NOT THE WAY TO GET THERE

 

[JudyBolton]

From what we have read on here about the prosecutor assigned to this case in NYC, I think he has a good chance of successfully prosecuting and prevailing against any defense attempt to go the mental health route. If he's known for his scathing critique and use of one-liners, etc. to simply the facts for the jury, then he's got a lot of evidence/material at his disposal to choose from.

JMO.

Not sure of the New York laws but in many jurisdictions, the only thing being found guilty but mentally ill will provide is treatment while incarcerated. It does not entitle the suspect to being sent to a mental facility rather than prison. It does not automatically include "with the possibility of parole", among other things. It is also up to the individual prison the type and quality of mental health treatment a patient will receive. One example is the quality of the medications. In the case of Richard Allen - there were better medications to treat his delusions and hallucinations but the prison gave him a less effective one which was cheaper ( this gleaned from evidence given in his trial.)

 

[human_Behavior]

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His former employer confirmed to USA TODAY that he left his job at the website in 2023.

There is still a look left/look right on the True Car departure. Did he leave on his own or did he really get laid off?

In the end I don’t think it much matters, his end game and the root cause was the same.

'Nothing more, nothing less': Writings show wandering path across the globe for Luigi Mangione

From Maryland to Asia, murder suspect Luigi Mangione traversed the globe before CEO Brian Thompson was killed. His travels shed light on him.

www.usatoday.com

I think it's possible he left because of his injury. The recent NY Post link said something similar "The back pain became so severe, that he consulted with doctors and eventually quit his job in 2023 to spend time reading and doing yoga.". That type of job has you sitting all day which is probably the worst thing for that injury and not healthy in general.

 

[JDG]

Not sure of the New York laws but in many jurisdictions, the only thing being found guilty but mentally ill will provide is treatment while incarcerated. It does not entitle the suspect to being sent to a mental facility rather than prison. It does not automatically include "with the possibility of parole", among other things. It is also up to the individual prison the type and quality of mental health treatment a patient will receive. One example is the quality of the medications. In the case of Richard Allen - there were better medications to treat his delusions and hallucinations but the prison gave him a less effective one which was cheaper ( this gleaned from evidence given in his trial.)

I doubt the prison systems make health care of any sort easy to obtain.

There are prisons for the criminally insane, no need to ‘avoid’ imprisoning this murderer.

 

[Knitty]

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[JDG]

I wonder if this back pain is as severe as is being reported.

Did he have back surgery?

Does he have a scar that is representative of that type of surgery?

Only those who have seen him undressed would know and they’re not talking to the press.

Anyone can get an X-ray online to fit a false narrative.

He could have twisted his back surfing, been in pain temporarily?

From the bit of video and the photos, as well his outburst at court he sure doesn’t appear to be in pain, at all.

 

[JudyBolton]

Luigi Mangione’s fellow inmates decry ‘terrible’ prison conditions in wild TV interview with reporter standing outside

Inmates at the Pennsylvania prison where Luigi Mangione is being held conducted a wild interview with a TV reporter outside, screaming answers out the windows and flickering the lights to signal ye…

nypost.com

"Inmates at the Pennsylvania prison where Luigi Mangione is being held conducted a wild interview with a TV reporter outside, screaming answers out the windows and flickering the lights to signal yes or no.

NewsNation journalist Alex Caprariello was reporting on Mangione’s conditions at the State Correctional Institution in Huntington, Pennsylvania, Wednesday when inmates, who were watching him on TV, yelled out, “Luigi’s conditions suck.”"

LM may agree. No McDonalds on the inside. MOO

My hairdresser (had appointment yesterday) is from the town adjacent to this. She stated this prison was considered desirable and nicer than any other in Pennsylvania. Stated that it's common for prisoners to request transfer to that facility. He's in for quite a shock if/when he ends up in Rikers.

 

[Sundog]

Is there a link stating his lawyer was retained by his parents please?

I don't think there has been anything definitive about who is paying for LM's NYC attorney, that's why I posted the possibilities -

The parents must be the ones paying for his new attorney, unless LM does have an inheritance or allowance or some other source of money (trust fund, etc.). Not only will his new attorney's fees be high, but also all the expert witnesses she will likely call upon to provide testimony in his trial.

 

[Tiff23fr]

I don't think there has been anything definitive about who is paying for LM's NYC attorney, that's why I posted the possibilities -

The parents must be the ones paying for his new attorney, unless LM does have an inheritance or allowance or some other source of money (trust fund, etc.). Not only will his new attorney's fees be high, but also all the expert witnesses she will likely call upon to provide testimony in his trial.

Luigi Mangione "public defense" fund nears major milestone

Luigi Mangione is fighting extradition to New York where he has been charged with the murder of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson.

www.newsweek.com