NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #10 *Arrest*

[OneLove]

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26-Year-Old Arrested in UnitedHealthcare Shooting Railed Against Netflix, Porn and ‘Wokeism’ on X

Luigi Mangione, a prep school valedictorian, showed disdain for for a number of modern fixtures on social media The post 26-Year-Old Arrested in UnitedHealthcare Shooting Railed Against Netflix, 🤬🤬🤬🤬 and ‘Wokeism’ on X appeared first on TheWrap.

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Thank you. So he made that remark April of '24, just a few months shy of his going off radar. His other remarks over time are very interesting also. It def shows his influences.

 

[nightowl1975]

How so? He's charged with murder. It sounds like there is ample evidence that Mangione murdered Brian Thompson. What would be a reasonable defence?

I honestly think the defense could simply stick with “he didn’t do it” and there will be at least one person out of the twelve that doesn’t care one way or the other what the law says… they may well believe he did it… but still vote not guilty. Jury nullification is a real thing, and there are a lot of people out there who simply don’t care that what was done here is illegal.

 

[Charlot123]

LM finished college and grad school and began working for TrueCar in 2020. I would be very surprised if the engineers at TrueCar were not required to WFH at that time and possibly for years. Many of my engineer friends (not at TrueCar) were mandatory WFH until anywhere between Fall 2021 and Summer 2022. Because LM almost definitely started as a remote worker, it might also be the case that he didn’t live near a TrueCar office, even if they eventually had an optional or mandatory return to office initiative.

For West Coast company tech workers, it was not unusual during that time to work from Hawaii rather than WFH. Why not, right? That LM chose to rent a live/work cooperative space instead of a solo space suggests to me that he valued the social aspect.

There are fixed terms at the live/work place in HI, so it is not surprising to me that he stayed only 6 months and later rented an apartment. While renting the apartment, he also joined a shared work space outside of his apartment. Everything suggests to me that he enjoyed social interaction until he very suddenly didn’t sometime in 2024.

As for long-term friendships, some were observable. In one case, a long-time friend posted about him in caring terms immediately after his arrest and it was observable from each of their instagram accounts that they’d been friends for many years, celebrating birthdays together, etc. He has since made his account private and I can understand why. For starters, his caring sentiments were polarizing and garnered negative attention.

I personally have not seen any indication that LM did not have long-term, stable friendships, that is until he suddenly isolated from friends and family in 2024.

The only nomadic element that stands out to me is that he posted about his goal to pare down to one backpack for travel and expressed pride in April 2024 that he had achieved that goal for the previous two months while traveling through Asia. He thought it made it easier to be fully present and made travel feel more like an adventure. So it is possible he would have embraced a nomadic lifestyle in a sliding doors universe in which he did not commit murder and throw away his freedom, but I don’t consider his move to Hawaii to be indicative of a preference for a nomadic lifestyle as it was likely an appealing alternative to WFH, at least initially. He appears to have rented two places while there over a period of almost three years, both in Honolulu, which also doesn’t seem particularly nomadic to me.

Even setting the pandemic aside, in my experience, it’s quite common for young adults of that age to move around a bit, often for work related reasons, and without the intention of embracing a digital nomad lifestyle.

MOO.

Two things that surprise me.

One, he was obviously very bright, had two degrees from UPenn, an Ivy League school. After that…tell me, is TrueCar a well-paying company? To my shame, I never heard of it. Also, wasn’t his degree in engineering? And the job was not even a programmer? I saw something like data entry, am I wrong? I don’t have LinkedIn on this device, but I remember his profile still listing him with Truecars, so it may be outdated. I’d expect someone with his potential and East Coast base to interview at really well-paying, huge IT companies, tbh.

Did Luigi put himself through too much stress trying to squeeze two degrees into a short period of time? BS and MS in 4 years, isn’t it too high stress? If upon graduation, plans of settling down or “buying a house”, the most costly plan I often hear vocalized, were not in Luigi’s immediate future, then of course the idea to live in a sunny paradise colony was not bad. Still, I see a certain crack appearing specifically after graduation. He worked too hard; most grads understand that after graduation you start investing in your resume.

But perhaps Luidgi was burned out? Something seems wrong in his college planning. I don’t know if it was the reflection of the family’s pressure to achieve, or his own wish to go through college fast and move away from his family? A plan like BS - then taking a gap year for travels - then MS - would have been better.

If I were to guess, Luigi himself wanted to separate from Maryland. Then settling in Hawaii could be an attempt to grow socially, but look how lonely he ends up. Ex-roommates who don’t answer letters, family not on the radar, his school friends, UPenn mates…there surely is no shortage of people stating now that he was “well-liked”, but where were they during his last two years?

From 23 to 30, finding own apartment, traveling to beautiful places one couldn’t previously achieve on a student’s budget, making new relationships while still reaching out to the old ones, is an expected lifestyle, especially for young IT specialists. Two things are missing in this equation:

- a steady job that would match his potential, and

- a steady group around him.

He virtually falls off all radars. But all of them, to think of.

Is it his spine? Does his physical pain partially reflect emotional stress? Or “something else”?

Just a thought:

1) Just questioning. Could there, indeed, have been an emotional episode that his family was aware of? Then they thought he got better, but IRL, untreated, he ended in a tragic situation.

2) More likely, the same happened, but later. His then-friends noticed signs and, whether not understanding or fearing unpredictability, marginalized him. I am just thinking aloud. Not about the act…just what was going on with Luigi. He definitely didn’t lose his academic potential, he read a lot, he expressed himself well, but am I wrong in noticing some lack of emotional growth? He should have caught up after graduation and moving out, but the opposite happened. Why?

 

[JDG]

So, if he opts to go to NYC this coming week and is formally charged with murdering Brian Thompson, when can we expect the trial to begin??

 

[Charlot123]

Thank you. So he made that remark April of '24, just a few months shy of his going off radar. His other remarks over time are very interesting also. It def shows his influences.

To me, it shows that he was 10 years behind in his social development. These books he should have started to read at 16, I suspect he was a fast reader. If not, then definitely at UPenn where one of his interests was cognitive science. By 26 he should have had been more worldly, especially if he traveled in Asia. Was he leading such a sheltered life in school that he was just approaching issues that other people had long decided for themselves - at 26?

 

[MassGuy]

So, if he opts to go to NYC this coming week and is formally charged with murdering Brian Thompson, when can we expect the trial to begin??

Every case is different, just like every state is different. Just looking at the Daniel Penny case though, that one took about a year and a half from charges to trial.

 

[Charlot123]

It was a calculated risk, but I suspect that he balanced getting away with it versus getting caught. His arrogance tipped him towards getting away with it, so it was worth it to him.

He started shaking when arrested, he looked as though he urinated on himself in the first prison cell photo, and he was visibly angry when he was taken into a court room. I don't think he expected to get caught. Big smile when he's thinking about murdering a stranger, rather sad when he's arrested.

I don’t know how serious his spine issues were. If, indeed, as it had been stated, there were some post-surgical complications, it means certain nerves could be involved, the same that innervate the bladder. I wouldn’t comment on it until we know better.

TBH, I don’t think he had a very well thought out long-term “exit plan.” I wouldn’t be surprised if he would have finished it all for himself, and perhaps very soon. Maybe even in a hotel, if he’d get one that night. I think what he was typing was meant to serve a good-bye note. Why PA? Close to UPenn that he probably in hindsight viewed as his best years in life. JMO. Were it not for homebred pros in facial recognition from MacDonald’s, I am not sure Luigi would be here today. Just my personal opinion, MOO, but I did guess two things before (ethnicity - Mediterranean or Middle Eastern; age - after college), as well as the goal.

 

[Friday Fan]

Here’s a report from NBC that shows the entire missing persons report LM’s mom filed in San Francisco. It says she thought he was in San Francisco working at the Truecar office in person. Also medical says none.

IMHO- It seems like LM wasn’t up front with her about the fact that he hadn’t worked there since 2023. I wouldn’t be surprised to find out he was never in San Francisco.

Mother of suspect in CEO's killing told police person of interest could be her son, sources say

After UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson's killing, a San Francisco officer saw a resemblance in a missing persons report for Luigi Mangione and police contacted his mother, sources said.

www.nbcnews.com

Medical means does not have special needs or does he have an obvious impairment. For instance if a diabetic or someone with epilepsy is missing they will say this. That is because they "need their meds". For anyone who needs meds, this will be marked. (Pain meds likely won't make the cut)
A visible impair would be, "in a wheelchair", "walks with a cane". "walks with a limp", "on oxygen", "requires CPAP for sleep" (that may or may not be on if the parent didn't think of it) etc.

Spinal surgery a year prior won't be on the flyer, if he is able to get around well. Unless he is on meds needed for his health, they won't be on the form. For instance, pain meds probably won't make the list.

Missing reports are looking for identifiers. Also medical info can provide urgency. We have "silver" alerts here. AKA.."elderly person missing"...(Aka dementia or medical attention needed)

Can't help but notice his weight. Poor mom! She went with the last weight she could remember or think of! I even had a kid who was on SSI/SSDI as a young adult. I just went pouring through his records. I can't find a weight on any of them..LOL We have all of his records right at our fingertips. Weight is no longer on driver's licenses. (Yep we have old copies of those) He received spec ed services 1st - 12. Then after he was at a facility... I had all his records. The only weights I have are when he was real young!! (Fortunately, things worked out for him. His benefits paid for his college education and he charted his own path...HIs problems were primarily emotional/LD/impulse issues/major depression and then secondary substance abuse) When you have a special need kid, the records are always at your finger tips. (And he graduated from HS 19 years ago. The records are part of my life and they're on my hard drive, right here as I'm browsing websleuths...LOL)

I remember some were laughing at the Luigi's weight on the missing report, but if it was your adult kid, would you know????

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Sorry so long!

 

[BrianJohnson]

Given that the police were already having him down as a suspect, even to the point of questioning his mother, will the McDonalds worker/elderly customer still be entitled to the reward? they pinpointed his location but he was already a person of interest

 

[Friday Fan]

That would make sense.

There is one photo in that particular article I am curious about. It is the one showing his “reported” Tndr account with a sync date of 12/9
12/9 was the day he was arrested IIRC

What specifically does “last sync” mean on this app?
What about “Last Found”?

“…alleged Tinder profile matches the one a yoga instructor said she had seen.”

Inside Luigi Mangione’s time as a beach bum in Hawaiian paradise — with accused UnitedHealthcare CEO assassin tickling girls, Tinder matching a yoga guru

“Of course I’m shocked but there was a darkness to him that was always there,” one pal told The Post.

nypost.com

Did you get an answer about the syncing. I'm looking and can't find it.

 

[Zinn]

Two things that surprise me.

One, he was obviously very bright, had two degrees from UPenn, an Ivy League school. After that…tell me, is TrueCar a well-paying company? To my shame, I never heard of it. Also, wasn’t his degree in engineering? And the job was not even a programmer? I saw something like data entry, am I wrong? I don’t have LinkedIn on this device, but I remember his profile still listing him with Truecars, so it may be outdated. I’d expect someone with his potential and East Coast base to interview at really well-paying, huge IT companies, tbh.

Did Luigi put himself through too much stress trying to squeeze two degrees into a short period of time? BS and MS in 4 years, isn’t it too high stress? If upon graduation, plans of settling down or “buying a house”, the most costly plan I often hear vocalized, were not in Luigi’s immediate future, then of course the idea to live in a sunny paradise colony was not bad. Still, I see a certain crack appearing specifically after graduation. He worked too hard; most grads understand that after graduation you start investing in your resume.

But perhaps Luidgi was burned out? Something seems wrong in his college planning. I don’t know if it was the reflection of the family’s pressure to achieve, or his own wish to go through college fast and move away from his family? A plan like BS - then taking a gap year for travels - then MS - would have been better.

If I were to guess, Luigi himself wanted to separate from Maryland. Then settling in Hawaii could be an attempt to grow socially, but look how lonely he ends up. Ex-roommates who don’t answer letters, family not on the radar, his school friends, UPenn mates…there surely is no shortage of people stating now that he was “well-liked”, but where were they during his last two years?

From 23 to 30, finding own apartment, traveling to beautiful places one couldn’t previously achieve on a student’s budget, making new relationships while still reaching out to the old ones, is an expected lifestyle, especially for young IT specialists. Two things are missing in this equation:

- a steady job that would match his potential, and

- a steady group around him.

He virtually falls off all radars. But all of them, to think of.

Is it his spine? Does his physical pain partially reflect emotional stress? Or “something else”?

Just a thought:

1) Just questioning. Could there, indeed, have been an emotional episode that his family was aware of? Then they thought he got better, but IRL, untreated, he ended in a tragic situation.

2) More likely, the same happened, but later. His then-friends noticed signs and, whether not understanding or fearing unpredictability, marginalized him. I am just thinking aloud. Not about the act…just what was going on with Luigi. He definitely didn’t lose his academic potential, he read a lot, he expressed himself well, but am I wrong in noticing some lack of emotional growth? He should have caught up after graduation and moving out, but the opposite happened. Why?

I do think he drove himself unusually hard in school. He sometimes described himself as struggling and in over his head (paraphrasing), yet he was his high school class’ valedictorian, earned two degrees in four years at Penn and graduated with distinction.

He graduated in May 2020. This was during Covid lockdown. I would imagine interview opportunities were limited during that time, especially for folks with little work experience and business contacts/referrals. TrueCar would not have been the hottest possible choice but still respectable.

He began working as a Data Engineer at TrueCar in November 2020. He likely worked remotely as was the norm at that time. He received two promotions; one in October 2021 (Data Engineer 2) and another in October 2022 (Data Engineer 3). This indicates to me that he was meeting or exceeding expectations for at least two years. I would expect he was compensated well.

I don’t know if he was caught up in the layoff in June 2023 or if he left earlier that year, but a lot of tech companies were laying folks off at that time and the market was tight. In any case, he underwent back surgery in July and there was a post-op recovery period. If he actually left before the layoff, perhaps burnout was an element with his on/off back/nerve pain being a contributing element.

None of those actions or outcomes seem unusual to me. I might have expected an ambitious young person to put in two years at TrueCar and then move to a hotter company or an interesting start-up, but he was preoccupied with his injury at that point and he was at least advancing at TrueCar.

The backpacking trip in early 2024 is the first time I see him deviating from what might be expected of a 25 year old unemployed overachiever who has presumably completed surgery recovery. That is when most people would expect a person like him to focus on securing his next job. The fact that he wrote a review semi-praising Ted Kaczynski in Jan 2024 makes me wonder if he was beginning to derail at that time and the subsequent backpacking trip was part of reevaluating his path forward.

LM’s final post on reddit in May 2024 was a re-post of someone else’s video with a theme of people being so immersed in technology, they aren’t engaging in real life. Perhaps he was even questioning being involved in the tech industry at all. Of course this change of heart might also have been ego driven if he felt he was falling behind and hadn’t achieved as much as he expected of himself or as much as he thought others might have expected of him. That would be an unfortunate mindset at 25. A lot of people are just getting started then.

MOO.

 

[acutename]

I hope my spine doesn't look like that, but easy to confuse from a distance. I attached the x-ray that Mangione posted on his X account - different curve.
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same link

 

[Marantz4250b]

Something definitely happened that impacted him in a significant way and caused a major change in his personality. Suddenly totally isolating from all of his friends & family, getting lost in distorted ways of thinking, thinking it was the right thing to plan and commit a horrific murder, etc. All just my opinion.

We really don't know that, though. Mood changes may have been part of his life forever for all we know.

 

[Marantz4250b]

Out of curiosity, I Googled. My gad. This adoration of Luigi is simply ridiculous.

Free Luigi Mangione Devotional Prayer Saint Candle

Luigi Mangione Devotional Prayer Saint Candle $5 of every candle goes into his commissary fund at the Altoona Jail until a defense fund is started. Delay. Deny. Depose. Tall white altar/ prayer candle featuring the Patron Saint of the People. The image is photoshopped then printed and pasted to...

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This is genuinely frightening! The people who make and buy these are allowed to vote, ffs!

Lets just do away with courts and the rule of law and agree that we can just go about shooting anyone who's opinions we don't agree with.

How can people be so utterly stupid?

 

[Marantz4250b]

Well, $100,000 is a good start (but taxes are paid first, if I remember correctly about tax laws and donations). This will probably not even be enough for the retainer.

Also from the article, a statement from the owners of the donation account-

It added that if Mangione rejected the money "they will instead be donated to legal funds for other U.S. political prisoners."

So the LM donation site has been set up by people who see Brian Thompson's murderer as a "U.S. political prisoner"?

More confirmation that lots of people are quite literally not safe to be let out unsupervised; there hasn't even been a trial yet so no one knows the full facts.

Do these people really think that shooting people who's views don't align with theirs is a valid method of political discourse? What happens when it's their turn on the wrong end of a 3D printed Glock??

 

[JDG]

We really don't know that, though. Mood changes may have been part of his life forever for all we know.

There was a post upthread that referred to ‘darkness about him’.

You bet there’s a history that will be exposed probably during the trial.

 

[Peppery]

Anyone know where he had his surgery? UPMC is in Altoona. Only thing I can think of.
if he tried to book a hotel that day, I wonder if it means he just got there.

I don’t think it’s been confirmed, but I suspect he went home to Maryland for surgery. Not only is Baltimore home to some of the country’s top hospitals, but if he’d had back issues since childhood, he likely had a long relationship with physicians who could refer him to excellent surgeons. And he would’ve needed help for a while afterwards. I don’t care what he told friends or posted, no way was he up and back to independent activity in a week. I’m also wondering if that was about the last time he was in contact with family and possibly something happened during that timeframe to splinter the relationship.

I’ve seen people state he “demanded surgery” but it doesn’t work like that. A patient can ask or demand anything but that doesn’t mean they get it. They still need to find a doc willing to give it to them. Not many orthopedic surgeons, if any at all, would be willing to perform spinal surgery on a 24/25 year old without multiple tests, scans, and failing other treatment options. Moo

 

[CityKid]

Interesting that nowhere in this timeline we've figured out for him so far, does New York show up anywhere until the shooting. Had he ever even been to NYC before this?

Philly to NYC (and vice versa) is a 1.5 hour-ish train ride and a pretty common day trip.

 

[MerlinFalcon]

There was a post upthread that referred to ‘darkness about him’.

You bet there’s a history that will be exposed probably during the trial.

I wish the person would have elaborated on that comment. It's so easy in retrospect to think you saw something that may or may not have been there.

 

[Occam's Zebra]

I wish the person would have elaborated on that comment. It's so easy in retrospect to think you saw something that may or may not have been there.

Exactly. The post was a quote from a NY Post article and I never take those very seriously. The same article also had a photo of LM "tickling" two young women - no idea how the editors got "tickling" from a still image. The photo just looks as if he's about to hug both women. NY Post sensationalizes - I am sure anyone who reads the news knows that.