NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #10 *Arrest*

[nhmemorymaker]

I will add that he also stopped posting to his reddit (last post 5/25/24) and X/twitter (last post 6/10/24) accounts around the same time he withdrew from family and friends.

One possible point of interest regarding this timeframe is that *if* he was on a parent’s health insurance plan (I don’t think we know that), based on his May birth month, his eligibility would have expired on 6/1/24. He would have needed to secure his own insurance coverage beginning 6/1/24. If that was the case, I would imagine he would have been researching insurance company/plan info in May 2024. Perhaps that might have put health insurance policy at the forefront of his mind at that time.

This is certainly a plausible speculation. Including the fact that we have the his mother did have the last communication on July 1. I am sure that mother is helping fill in these blanks---at least to the point where he went underground.

 

[Marantz4250b]

He didnt buy it because it could have been easier tracked back to him. The obvious choice is a ghost gun which he can also build himself because it plays into his fantasy

I think it depends where it's bought as lots of places don't keep records of gun purchases. Or just grind the number off, chuck it after the act, etc, etc. Tracing gun purchases isn't easy if you really don't want it to be. There are plenty of firearms available legally that can't be traced to him. I'm sure a "genius" such as him could have legally acquired a gun without subjecting himself to greater risk of being caught.

You're right, though, I'm sure that his real reason for printing it was because he's a fantasist who seems to like overly complicated plans and actions.

 

[Friday Fan]

I’m also wondering if that was about the last time he was in contact with family and possibly something happened during that timeframe to splinter the relationship.

I’ve seen people state he “demanded surgery” but it doesn’t work like that. A patient can ask or demand anything but that doesn’t mean they get it. They still need to find a doc willing to give it to them. Not many orthopedic surgeons, if any at all, would be willing to perform spinal surgery on a 24/25 year old without multiple tests, scans, and failing other treatment options. Moo

Last contact was July 1, 2024. However, we don't know whether this was in-person or with a friend versus with a family etc.

Mother of suspect in CEO's killing told police person of interest could be her son, sources say

After UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson's killing, a San Francisco officer saw a resemblance in a missing persons report for Luigi Mangione and police contacted his mother, sources said.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[armchairagatha]

I do think he drove himself unusually hard in school. He sometimes described himself as struggling and in over his head (paraphrasing), yet he was his high school class’ valedictorian, earned two degrees in four years at Penn and graduated with distinction.

He graduated in May 2020. This was during Covid lockdown. I would imagine interview opportunities were limited during that time, especially for folks with little work experience and business contacts/referrals. TrueCar would not have been the hottest possible choice but still respectable.

He began working as a Data Engineer at TrueCar in November 2020. He likely worked remotely as was the norm at that time. He received two promotions; one in October 2021 (Data Engineer 2) and another in October 2022 (Data Engineer 3). This indicates to me that he was meeting or exceeding expectations for at least two years. I would expect he was compensated well.

I don’t know if he was caught up in the layoff in June 2023 or if he left earlier that year, but a lot of tech companies were laying folks off at that time and the market was tight. In any case, he underwent back surgery in July and there was a post-op recovery period. If he actually left before the layoff, perhaps burnout was an element with his on/off back/nerve pain being a contributing element.

None of those actions or outcomes seem unusual to me. I might have expected an ambitious young person to put in two years at TrueCar and then move to a hotter company or an interesting start-up, but he was preoccupied with his injury at that point and he was at least advancing at TrueCar.

The backpacking trip in early 2024 is the first time I see him deviating from what might be expected of a 25 year old unemployed overachiever who has presumably completed surgery recovery. That is when most people would expect a person like him to focus on securing his next job. The fact that he wrote a review semi-praising Ted Kaczynski in Jan 2024 makes me wonder if he was beginning to derail at that time and the subsequent backpacking trip was part of reevaluating his path forward.

LM’s final post on reddit in May 2024 was a re-post of someone else’s video with a theme of people being so immersed in technology, they aren’t engaging in real life. Perhaps he was even questioning being involved in the tech industry at all. Of course this change of heart might also have been ego driven if he felt he was falling behind and hadn’t achieved as much as he expected of himself or as much as he thought others might have expected of him. That would be an unfortunate mindset at 25. A lot of people are just getting started then.

MOO.

Agree with most of this. TrueCar is not FAANG (equivalent of the Ivy League in tech company prestige) but it is not bad for a first job out of college in a tight market and they had WFH options which allowed him to be a digital nomad. I think things unraveled after his layoff. They closed the entire San Francisco office so he wasn’t personally to blame for being laid off but he probably took it very hard. He had never failed in his life before so this was a hard knock. You are right, he probably did start looking for another job in about 6 months after the layoff and didn’t land anything. Maybe even turned down by UHC who knows. The tech job market is extremely tight at the moment with tons of experienced folks out of jobs. He is still early in his career and companies don’t really just hand you a job because you are a UPenn grad. You have to get called to interviews and then clear them. Competition is stiff. 1000 applicants for 1 job. Referrals matter and so on. Anyway, he probably didn’t have the coping skills to handle rejection after rejection and went off the rails. His back problems and radical readings fueled the fire. JMO.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I don't think LM has changed the dialogue or achieved his goal about HealthCare at all. I see the conversations as being knee jerk reactions more about LM personally (for/or against his actions) instead of addressing the very broken Healthcare system and how to fix it.

It will take a formative, well planned, legislated action to truly reform Healthcare in America. I compare this to mass shootings and gun reform. It's a hot topic for a few weeks and then it disappears from the headlines.

You're talking about a multi billion/trillion dollar, money-hungry, Industry Conglomerate that needs an overhaul from top to bottom.

BT didn't deserve to die and his family surely didn't deserve to be left without a loving father.

What about sports athletes who get paid 10, 20 times his salary for playing football, baseball, or basketball, golf. Or popular musicians that make a billion dollars on records and tours? Or leading actors making millions of dollars per film?

Do they deserve to be stalked and murdered? Violence solves nothing and Ted K got it all wrong, it's a coward who shoots and kills an innocent man in the name of Anti Capitalism.

JMO

 

[CrimeDawg123]

Agree with most of this. TrueCar is not FAANG (equivalent of the Ivy League in tech company prestige) but it is not bad for a first job out of college in a tight market and they had WFH options which allowed him to be a digital nomad. I think things unraveled after his layoff. They closed the entire San Francisco office so he wasn’t personally to blame for being laid off but he probably took it very hard. He had never failed in his life before so this was a hard knock. You are right, he probably did start looking for another job in about 6 months after the layoff and didn’t land anything. Maybe even turned down by UHC who knows. The tech job market is extremely tight at the moment with tons of experienced folks out of jobs. He is still early in his career and companies don’t really just hand you a job because you are a UPenn grad. You have to get called to interviews and then clear them. Competition is stiff. 1000 applicants for 1 job. Referrals matter and so on. Anyway, he probably didn’t have the coping skills to handle rejection after rejection and went off the rails. His back problems and radical readings fueled the fire. JMO.

I completely agree with this. Layoffs are a fact of life in tech. And it's hard going through it. I can imagine it was hard especially for him when it was likely his first real failure.

 

[arielilane]

If LM was harboring anger-- is it even about his back? I think not!

On Saturday, Feb 29, 2020, at nursing home in Kirkland, WA-- located across the lake from Seattle, the first COVID19 outbreak in the U.S. was confirmed. By early April, the Pacific Northwest was in total lockdown-- children could have probably played safely on the freeway. WA State Emergency Guidelines imposed by the Governor were in effect from Feb 29, 2020 to Oct 31, 2022, and in comparison to other areas, were strictly enforced.

That said, this two year period 2020-2022, seemingly had a tremendous impact on the high school upper classmen (juniors & seniors) who missed every celebrated right of passage, and all college grades in general, who struggled both socially and academically.

From LM's LinkedIn Resume (attached), he was wrapping up at UPenn May 2020, and cites his start date at True Car, Inc (Data Engineer I) as Nov 2020.

Unlike his 2016 HS Valedictorian Speech and Honors, good chance LM's May 2020 University graduation ceremony was canceled.

Again, taking note LM's first proper job post university graduation where he advances to Data Engineer III takes place during the isolation of the global pandemic, working not from Santa Monica, CA but employed remotely. (Having experienced the typical recruitment and relocation for my first job after graduation, I'd be absolutely shattered at this remote work experience).

While we know that True Car, Inc publicly announced its corporate restructuring and reduction of workforce in June 2023-- which very likely could have been pandemic related, I think we'd be remiss not to question if the golden boy may have taken it to heart that his measured improvements to True Car's performance metrics failed to save his job or deter the layoffs of his division (see resume --performance).

What changed for LM?

Did LM burn out working remotely -- missed the entry level mentoring and ego boost environment one needs to keep energized and interested?

Or was LM dealing with imposter syndrome -- now being offered interactive, live work where he'd no longer be able to hide out at home. Weren't the Honolulu digs somewhat an extension of the Frat house he left behind at UPenn?

And who doesn't have a friend that's allergic to gainful employment!

Did LM actually need surgery, or did he feign symptoms to advance surgery to avoid work?

I'm beginning to question whether if not for having money and opportunity, LM might have just been just been living the life of the Trump shooter, Thomas Crooks (who also scored 1530 on his SAT). Intelligent but very selfish and stupid. MOO

State of Emergency - COVID 2020-2022

My sentiments as well. Thank you,@Seattle1, well said.

 

[arielilane]

Right now, the loved ones of Brian Thompson are suffering over the senseless loss of him. moo

 

[Tiff23fr]

After a drizzly hike through one of Japan’s lush mountain ranges earlier this year, Luigi Mangione, a computer engineer in his mid-20s who had set off on a long solo trip to Asia, paused to record a voice message to a friend he had met while traveling abroad.


Months Before C.E.O.’s Killing, the Suspect Went Silent. Where Was He?

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His friend who spoke to the Mail said he last ran into Mangione two years ago in Baltimore. Even back then, the friend said that “something was off” about Mangione, but he chalked it up to him growing older.

He said he was taking a break from some things,” the friend said. “His voice was much deeper and a lot more serious and toned down.”

‘Worried’ Family of Luigi Mangione Hired Private Eye After He Cut Them Off

Concerned loved ones of Luigi Mangione hired a private investigator after he cut off most of his family sometime in 2023, a friend has claimed. The pal of the UnitedHealthcare CEO’s alleged murderer said Mangione still couldn’t be tracked down by the investigator, the Daily Mail reported...

www.yahoo.com

 

[FoxxTraxx]

Last contact was July 1, 2024. However, we don't know whether this was in-person or with a friend versus with a family etc.

Mother of suspect in CEO's killing told police person of interest could be her son, sources say

After UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson's killing, a San Francisco officer saw a resemblance in a missing persons report for Luigi Mangione and police contacted his mother, sources said.

www.nbcnews.com

The Missing Person report has a line that says ''Medical: None''. Yet other sources say LM had several health/medical issues. It may mean nothing, but his back problems could have been an important clue in finding a missing person.

 

[10ofRods]

If he had even one close friend or family member in whom he confided,they would have told him not to do this IMO and maybe he subconsciously knew that.

I agree. From my point of view, no one who plans and carries out a murder is "normal." There's some abnormal thinking there. This type of behavior is usually preceded by some pretty bizarre fantasizing and, well, just plain rogue cognition.

It can start with an obsession over something (let's say: a just system of healthcare for the US). If other people are put off by the obsession, the person with the obsession learns to hide what they're really up to, mentally. They put distance between themselves and others who might dissuade or be concerned about them.

Today, a person with an obsession can get virtual support on the internet, but that's not the same as an actual face-to-face friendship or family relationship, in which all parties are open, honest and actively engaged/caring about each other.

By contrast, the virtual support feeds the obsession. A handful of obsessed people in an echo chamber.

IMO.

 

[Tiff23fr]

Last contact was July 1, 2024. However, we don't know whether this was in-person or with a friend versus with a family etc.

Mother of suspect in CEO's killing told police person of interest could be her son, sources say

After UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson's killing, a San Francisco officer saw a resemblance in a missing persons report for Luigi Mangione and police contacted his mother, sources said.

www.nbcnews.com

Can someone shed light on:
1. Does the surgery being discussed related to the x-ray leave a scar?
If Yes,
2. When an individual is arrested do they list such scars under marks?

ETA- I see this is the missing persons report. Do we have details from the arrest/booking? Question 2 may still be applicable.

 

[Sundog]

He didnt buy it because it could have been easier tracked back to him. The obvious choice is a ghost gun which he can also build himself because it plays into his fantasy

I wonder where he practiced firing the ghost gun. Did he leave San Francisco and go somewhere remote so that he could practice shooting with his ghost gun over time to be sure it worked well and he had command of it?

 

[Friday Fan]

The Missing Person report has a line that says ''Medical: None''. Yet other sources say LM had several health/medical issues. It may mean nothing, but his back problems could have been an important clue in finding a missing person.

Back issues generally would not be included.

It certainly didn't help ID him!!!

Didn't prevent him from running around NYC. No one noticed he had a back problem when get was riding that bike or shooting BT! So, it would not have been basic identifier.

There is a also an "incident report" that isn't shown.

It may give more details about contact with him.

But a missing persons report generally doesn't include that someone had back surgery a year ago if they superficially are healthy appearing. Yes, he would have a scar, but mom problem didn't think someone would look at his back. Yes, he would have screws, but those would only show up on x-rays. There are numerous "silver alerts" around here. I'm sure they have had numerous surgeries, but their surgeries are not listed. Just things like, "needs medication for heart condition"

 

[Tiff23fr]

Note: Below is what is listed on the website and it doesn’t have a scar/mark section. But oddly his height and citizenship is omitted. It strangely makes me think of that 1/2 inch or whatever his spine would slip ….
Goodness - maybe it is time for my brain to take a break. I still have an earworm from Eminem going on anyhow. (Dude “Lost Himself”, if I put my thoughts to a tune. IIMO)
“Mom I love you but this trail has got to go………”

Name	Name Type
LUIGI MANGIONE	Commit Name
LUIGI MANGIONE,	Also Known As

Parole Number: 118LB

Age: 26

Date of Birth: 05/06/1998

Height: 0' 00"

Gender: MALE

Citizenship: UNKNOWN

Complexion:

Current Location: HUNTINGDON



Permanent Location: HUNTINGDON

Committing County: BLAIR

Last Updated Time: 12/15/2024 4:00:33 AM



Link:

Inmate/Department Supervised Individual Locator

inmatelocator.cor.pa.gov

 

[mrstfs]

Can someone shed light on:
1. Does the surgery being discussed related to the x-ray leave a scar?
If Yes,
2. When an individual is arrested do they list such scars under marks?

ETA- I see this is the missing persons report. Do we have details from the arrest/booking? Question 2 may still be applicable.

I asked the same question about scars in the last thread and received some replies from folks who had the surgery and/or their son had it and they both said that scars are left behind. So I checked the booking document but it doesn’t have a section for marks like the missing person report does. The missing report says none for marks. MOO

 

[mrstfs]

Note: Below is what is listed on the website and it doesn’t have a scar/mark section. But oddly his height and citizenship is omitted. It strangely makes me think of that 1/2 inch or whatever his spine would slip ….
Goodness - maybe I’m the one that needs to just take a break.

Name	Name Type
LUIGI MANGIONE	Commit Name
LUIGI MANGIONE,	Also Known As

Parole Number: 118LB

Age: 26

Date of Birth: 05/06/1998

Height: 0' 00"

Gender: MALE

Citizenship: UNKNOWN

Complexion:

Current Location: HUNTINGDON



Permanent Location: HUNTINGDON

Committing County: BLAIR

Last Updated Time: 12/15/2024 4:00:33 AM



Link:

Inmate/Department Supervised Individual Locator

inmatelocator.cor.pa.gov

There’s a full report somewhere that lists height/weight but I need to find it again.

 

[no nonsense]

I wonder if UHC (and/or other insurance companies) cover Polymeric Hydrogels or is it denied as either being experimental or as being a more expensive treatment that “can be treated less expensively” with traditional fusion surgery with hardware?

One (of the many) things that really pisses me off about these insurance companies is that they always try to take the cheapest route even if is NOT in the best interest of the patient. They absolutely don’t seem to care that the cheapest route can actually cause more pain/harm (and expense!) down the line as they probably cross their fingers and hope that the person becomes the problem of another insurance company by the time it comes necessary for additional treatments and/or hope that denying coverage based on a pre-existing condition becomes allowable again.

Not saying I agree with LM’s killing of BT, but the ANGER about the way insurance companies treat people is very real.

But apparently neither he nor his mother had UHC

 

[arielilane]

In NY, LM was charged with second-degree murder over BT’s killing.
LM is fighting extradition to face that murder charge.

It’s been speculated, that he may argue a defense of impaired mental status making him unfit to stand trial.

However, according to linked article, allegedly he wrote in a notebook that he considered bombing Manhattan to carry out the killing but did not want to “kill innocents.” So I am curious if he would be able to use that defense? Clearly, he was of sound mind? jmo

Additionally, Brian Thompson, was an innocent victim.

Luigi Mangione Allegedly Considered Using Bomb to Murder CEO but Did Not Want to 'Kill Innocents': Source

Mangione was allegedly found with a notebook that contained a to-do list related to the murder. A source says he allegedly wrote that he did not want to "kill innocents."

people.com

12/11/2024

 

[arielilane]

Luigi Mangione Will Have 2 European Dishes to Choose Between for Dinner in Prison

Chicken parmesan and pizza beans are listed on the menu for Luigi Mangione at the State Correctional Institution at Huntingdon in Pennsylvania, where he is currently being held for the accused murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, per CNN and TMZ.

people.com

12/14/2024