NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #10 *Arrest*

[Deleted member 350315]

This is a completely different type of situation; it’s like comparing apples and rocks.

First, he committed a brazen assassination the middle of New York with a silenced gun, for all the world to see. Thats never happened before, and terrifying on so many levels.

More importantly though, it risks opening the floodgates for more targeted assassinations. Potential copycats will see the attention this brings, and target someone else (politician, a business executive, or someone else high profile).

This has happened before, abeit without a suppressor: On November 5 of 1990, former Knesset member and Jewish Defense League founder Meir Kahane gave a speech in a second-floor lecture hall in Manhattan's Marriott East Side Hotel, on Lexington Avenue. As Kahane was taking questions following the speech he was approached by El Sayyid Nosair, an Egyptian-born American citizen who was disguised as an Orthodox Jew. Nosair pulled out a .357 pistol and, in full view of the crowd, fatally shot Kahane in the neck. Nosair was able to flee out into the street, where he attempted to commandeer a taxi at gunpoint in front of a nearby post office. An off-duty Postal Police Inspector named Carlos Acosta drew his pistol and ordered Nosair to freeze, but the killer instead shot Acosta in the chest. Despite his wound Acosta was able to return fire, hitting Nosair in the chin, and arrest him.

Bizarrely, despite overwhelming evidence and dozens of eyewitnesses, a jury found Nosair not guilty of Kahane's murder (This is precisely the sort of verdict that many suspect might follow a trial of Luigi Mangione). Nosair was, however, found guilty of assault, illegal possession of a firearm, and shooting a Postal Service Agent. He was sentenced to the maximum 22 years in jail.

 

[fred&edna]

Terrorism and murder by LM isn't taken lightly by our government. And, that's reassuring, to me.

Also, apparently, people in countries with government-funded healthcare also die while awaiting care. These individuals may receive care but exactly "when" is a problem.

‘National tragedy’: figures show large rise in people dying while on NHS waiting list

Figures obtained by Labour show an estimated 120,695 people died in England while awaiting treatment

www.theguardian.com

jmo

 

[MassGuy]

lol isn’t ‘limited resources’ the core of the issue? The idea that only high profile cases merit this level of attention just reinforces systemic inequity. Resources exist. They’re just used based on who society deems ‘important’. Which is exactly my issue.

Saying ‘the public just isn’t interested’ totally ignores how the media has shaped interest in this case. I guarantee you the relatives of those slain in unsolved cases are ‘interested’. They just don’t get coverage. Saying that just perpetuates the cycles where people think some lives matter less.

Public pressure plays a role, sure. But it shouldn’t take a billionaire being assassinated for law enforcement to act so speedily. If the system can handle this case with this much vigor, in my opinion, there’s no excuse not to treat others the same way.

Instead of excusing disparities, we should be asking how to ensure ALL victims receive fair treatment and justice. Public attention doesn’t justify inequity.

Let me remind you that justice isn’t about public interest OR profitability. It’s a constitutional right. Equal protection under the law. Every person deserves the same access to justice, and it’s disappointing to see that disparity being justified instead of critically examined. It’s clear we’re approaching this from fundamentally different perspectives, so I’ll be removing myself from this particular sub-discussion. IMO

I can think of very few cases in the past 30 or so years that have captured the public’s imagination like this. You’re talking a fraction of a percent of murders as a whole.

The hunt for the Unabomber.
The hunt for Andrew Cunanan.
The hunt for the Beltway Snipers.
The hunt for the Boston Bombers.
The hunt for the Austin Bomber.
The hunt for the NY Assassin.

Any comparison between the hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of murders that have occurred since then makes no sense to me.

 

[JDG]

Wonder if his family will attend the trial in ‘support’ of LM or if they’ll stay away in droves?

 

[Cartie]

But doesn’t that highlight exactly how inconsistent the system is? If someone were targeted in a similarly calculated way but wasn’t high profile, it’s hard to imagine this level of urgency or such severe charges.

The justice system is clearly sending a message, I agree. But the message is about protecting power structures, not protecting people. The copycat fear makes sense. But why does it take a case involving a CEO/millionaire to get this level of attention when so many other victims of gun violence don’t get justice? MOO

I 100% agree with you, I do think this case from the start, up until now has been made a priority and the copycat theory is just a part of what may be at play

 

[10ofRods]

I’m curious to know the same. I also wonder if social engineering is how he managed to get the date, time, and location of the investor’s conference in advance.

It was published in Schwab's newsletters of events involving publicly traded equities. It was likely also sent out to all investors as well. Even if not an investor, I can get the upcoming investor events from my brokerage by following a stock that I'm not invested in.

This was by invitation only, but it did include an invite to investors. I found their public announcements after about 3 minutes of googling:

UnitedHealth Group to Host 2024 Investor Conference

UnitedHealth Group will host its annual Investor Conference for analysts and institutional investors in New York City on Wednesday, December 4, 2024, beginning at 8:00 a.m. EST.

www.unitedhealthgroup.com

They've taken down the program information and other details, but the press release announcing the conference is in their archive. Anyone can read it.

Anyone who is much into the stock market would know how to find it.

 

[legalese]

It was published in Schwab's newsletters of events involving publicly traded equities. It was likely also sent out to all investors as well. Even if not an investor, I can get the upcoming investor events from my brokerage by following a stock that I'm not invested in.

This was by invitation only, but it did include an invite to investors. I found their public announcements after about 3 minutes of googling:

UnitedHealth Group to Host 2024 Investor Conference

UnitedHealth Group will host its annual Investor Conference for analysts and institutional investors in New York City on Wednesday, December 4, 2024, beginning at 8:00 a.m. EST.

www.unitedhealthgroup.com

They've taken down the program information and other details, but the press release announcing the conference is in their archive. Anyone can read it.

Anyone who is much into the stock market would know how to find it.

The announcement was posted November 26th, though. LM scouted the conference location when he arrived in NYC on November 24th.

 

[eishish]

lol isn’t ‘limited resources’ the core of the issue? The idea that only high profile cases merit this level of attention just reinforces systemic inequity. Resources exist. They’re just used based on who society deems ‘important’. Which is exactly my issue.

Saying ‘the public just isn’t interested’ totally ignores how the media has shaped interest in this case. I guarantee you the relatives of those slain in unsolved cases are ‘interested’. They just don’t get coverage. Saying that just perpetuates the cycles where people think some lives matter less.

Public pressure plays a role, sure. But it shouldn’t take a billionaire being assassinated for law enforcement to act so speedily. If the system can handle this case with this much vigor, in my opinion, there’s no excuse not to treat others the same way.

Instead of excusing disparities, we should be asking how to ensure ALL victims receive fair treatment and justice. Public attention doesn’t justify inequity.

Let me remind you that justice isn’t about public interest OR profitability. It’s a constitutional right. Equal protection under the law. Every person deserves the same access to justice, and it’s disappointing to see that disparity being justified instead of critically examined. It’s clear we’re approaching this from fundamentally different perspectives, so I’ll be removing myself from this particular

I can think of very few cases in the past 30 or so years that have captured the public’s imagination like this. You’re talking a fraction of a percent of murders as a whole.

The hunt for the Unabomber.
The hunt for Andrew Cunanan.
The hunt for the Beltway Snipers.
The hunt for the Boston Bombers.
The hunt for the Austin Bomber.
The hunt for the NY Assassin.

Any comparison between the hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of murders that have occurred since then makes no sense to me.

Can you imagine if still on the loose and further incidents. This is by far a huge occurrance. And very short amt of time

 

[BUF]

Per CNN

Karen Agnifilo was seeking clarity and was kind of surprised by these charges (federal)
(Speaking in court)

Likely LM will be held in Brooklyn Federal jail

 

[Friday Fan]

The announcement was posted November 26th, though. LM scouted the conference location when he arrived in NYC on November 24th.

He wrote about it much earlier according to today's federal indictment. (October??. On my phone can't check)
I wonder if he invested, with the purpose of gaining access or for some reason was already on an investors' email list?

 

[Tiff23fr]

They just said he is going to spend the night with P Diddy
CNN LIVE 3:28

 

[Tiff23fr]

He wrote about it much earlier according to today's federal indictment. (October??. On my phone can't check)
I wonder if he invested, with the purpose of gaining access or for some reason was already on an investors' email list?

Here ya go:
An entry dated August 15 says that “the details are finally coming together,” according to the complaint.

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/the-latest-on-the-unitedhealthcare-ceo-killing-suspect-12-19-24/index.html

 

[BUF]

Luigi Mangione appeared in federal court facing new charges: How the news unfolded

Luigi Mangione, the suspect charged with shooting to death the CEO of UnitedHealthcare on a Manhattan street, has returned to New York to face murder charges after agreeing to be extradited during a court appearance in Pennsylvania on Thursday.

apnews.com

 

[detective.moon]

i wonder if the defense might argue LM is not getting a fair trial when the prosecution takes the “setting an example” thing too far, and it could end in a mistrial? pure speculation at this point of course

 

[Charlot123]

Prior to taking LM's case, his lawyer commented on CNN that a mental health type defense might be the best option. With the overwhelming amount of evidence here, it's hard to disagree. Her problem however, might be her client. He likely wants to be a martyr for his cause, but that's greatly diminished by any argument that he wasn't in his right mind at the time. You can't have both things at once:

I'm a hero standing up against corporate greed.
I'm a crazy person who killed a man because I wasn't thinking straight.

Well, the defense of “how easy is it to identify the masked killer?” could be used.

And it is a very strong defense. Any specialist in facial recognition could be a good expert.

AI can pull out “possible faces.” It still takes a human to recognize them - or not.

 

[JDG]

LM will be held at MDC Brooklyn per CNN.

He is missing the Rikers experience, drat!

His attorneys are not asking for bail, yet. Maybe later.

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/the-latest-on-the-unitedhealthcare-ceo-killing-suspect-12-19-24#cm4vr4c9h000g3b6mku88o6ej

 

[Sundog]

Ok, so maybe they haven’t cracked those devices yet. Thank God for that notebook.

Some new photos there, and evidence of months of planning. If he’s talking about things coming together in August, but procrastinating before that, then that indicates that this was in his mind for a lengthy period of time.

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So LM selected the health care industry because it "checked all the boxes." It could have been another industry and another CEO. No wonder there are terrorism charges (at state level).

ebm

 

[10ofRods]

The announcement was posted November 26th, though. LM scouted the conference location when he arrived in NYC on November 24th.

Which makes me think that, like me, LM had an eTrade or similar account. They do not wait until Nov 26 to let the investors know that the thing is going on - they get notified, probably in more than one way, before that.

Indeed, the SEC requires that they (the SEC) be notified in advance of any such investor events. And the invitees had to know well before the press release, or they wouldn't have been able to plan to be there.

The investors receive invitations and a packet of materials well in advance of the press release. And, for me, that shows up in my news area of my brokerage. This conference was about trying to get big investors to invest more, so I imagine the investors were fund owners and representatives, not retail trade.

Apparently, potential investors can contact any equity trader and ask to be put on invite lists for conferences - I have no clue how they choose the attendees. I sure do wish I'd been following them over the past year.

 

[legalese]

Which makes me think that, like me, LM had an eTrade or similar account. They do not wait until Nov 26 to let the investors know that the thing is going on - they get notified, probably in more than one way, before that.

Indeed, the SEC requires that they (the SEC) be notified in advance of any such investor events. And the invitees had to know well before the press release, or they wouldn't have been able to plan to be there.

The investors receive invitations and a packet of materials well in advance of the press release. And, for me, that shows up in my news area of my brokerage. This conference was about trying to get big investors to invest more, so I imagine the investors were fund owners and representatives, not retail trade.

Apparently, potential investors can contact any equity trader and ask to be put on invite lists for conferences - I have no clue how they choose the attendees. I sure do wish I'd been following them over the past year.

I was under the impression that the December 4th conference was for institutional investors. Of course the invitees learned of the event long before November, but how did LM get these details prior to the public press release (which does not mention a specific location in NYC)? Are regular shareholders (if LM even is one) notified of these conferences as well?

 

[Sundog]

Luigi Mangione appeared in federal court facing new charges: How the news unfolded

Luigi Mangione, the suspect charged with shooting to death the CEO of UnitedHealthcare on a Manhattan street, has returned to New York to face murder charges after agreeing to be extradited during a court appearance in Pennsylvania on Thursday.

apnews.com

“We’re going to respectfully decline to make any comment at this time,” Karen Freidman Agnifilo said. “Mr. Mangione appreciates everyone’s support.”

His attorney said she declined comments at this time, but then made a comment to bolster LM's narrative with his supporters. So much for declining comments. Of course, she knew exactly what she was doing, bolstering and drumming up sympathy among those in the public who might be amenable to this kind of message and narrative.