NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #11 *Arrest*

[sunspun]

I personally can't see how in the world that could have been an accident! This whole case is turning into a circus!

To a limited extent, I find it odd that they didn't put him in a suit and tie for his court appearance. Or even at least a tie with the sweater. They may have asked him for his opinion, and he preferred the sweater. Or maybe they're saving that for later, more important court dates, or the trial, if there is one. Or maybe they decided against a suit and/or tie altogether, or never even considered it, in an attempt to give him more of an "everyman" appearance, more like one of the common folk, than a member of the elite.

I personally think a suit and tie is most appropriate for a man at almost any court appearance and simply shows more respect for the court.

 

[JDG]

To a limited extent, I find it odd that they didn't put him in a suit and tie for his court appearance. Or even at least a tie with the sweater. They may have asked him for his opinion, and he preferred the sweater. Or maybe they're saving that for later, more important court dates, or the trial, if there is one. Or maybe they decided against a suit and/or tie altogether, or never even considered it, in an attempt to give him more of an "everyman" appearance, more like one of the common folk, than a member of the elite.

I personally think a suit and tie is most appropriate for a man at almost any court appearance and simply shows more respect for the court.

I don’t think prisoners are allowed ties or shoe laces. Ergo the orange slip ones.

Maybe later, if he’s medicated or has adjusted to prison.

 

[Luna20]

Actually the opposite. Psychologically speaking it's a very clever play and is used way more than you think. Think about uniforms as an example, aside from them being a tool and a representation of a company, it's a united front. That's what they did here. They put on a united front, a show of camaraderie . A none verbal way of showing the bond and commitment. If you looked too, Mr A also had on the burgundy tie which matched their jumpers. Like a families holiday card outfits and whether you think it's cringe or in bad taste, subconsciously it shows you that they're a unit and again, it's a clever play.

Hope everyone had a beautiful Christmas <3

How does that go down, can you elaborate? It’s hard to imagine how an attorney would begin a conversation about dressing alike.

On his end I can easily see him coming up with this idea. He’s crazy so it wouldn’t surprise me if he said ‘hey, I’ve been thinking that we should dress alike’

 

[al66pine]

Clothing Color Choices?

The Burgundy color isn't necessarily a Christmas message. It could just be what's in fashion/available right now, or because his lawyer thinks it's a good color on him.

@LinasK Thx for your post raising other potential reasons for the burgundy sweaters - current fashion trend or atty thought it looked good on him.

Being extreeemely fashion-impaired, neither one occurred to me.
Both are entirely possible. Glad you commented.

 

[JDG]

IMO, his lawyer did not show respect for the court in her getup.

Blouse not tucked it and not wearing dark, business clothing usually worn by officers of the court.

 

[Friday Fan]

M

To a limited extent, I find it odd that they didn't put him in a suit and tie for his court appearance. Or even at least a tie with the sweater. They may have asked him for his opinion, and he preferred the sweater. Or maybe they're saving that for later, more important court dates, or the trial, if there is one. Or maybe they decided against a suit and/or tie altogether, or never even considered it, in an attempt to give him more of an "everyman" appearance, more like one of the common folk, than a member of the elite.

I personally think a suit and tie is most appropriate for a man at almost any court appearance and simply shows more respect for the court.

Sweaters make defendants look younger and softer. The Menendez brothers wore sweaters throughout their trial. In one picture one is wearing pink and the other is wearing blue!

It's a common defense attorney ploy.

 

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[Charlot123]

I guarantee that there will be jurors sympathetic to UHC. I would be if I were selected for this jury.

JMO. And this is what the jury may not need. Likely, it does not need people like me who take “beyond reasonable doubt” perhaps too seriously. The jury, by default, has to represent the population of the country - in this case, NYC, since the shooting was on their turf. The members of the jury might be super smart or the opposite, but better, neither (“in the median range”); same applies to their views. Like, median +/- 15%? Ideally, it should be the slice of the wide average.

If the decision surprises us (O.J’s case was very surprising), even this is OK as long as they adequately reflect the views of the average majority.

Casey Anthony’s case was surprising to me; at the same time, perhaps it shows that the majority of the people here tend to believe “stories” more. Or else, it might have felt very differently inside the courtroom.

In LM’s case, same thing, the jury simply has to represent the views of the “medium majority” of the population.

Again, JMO.

 

[snarast]

How does that go down, can you elaborate? It’s hard to imagine how an attorney would begin a conversation about dressing alike.

On his end I can easily see him coming up with this idea. He’s crazy so it wouldn’t surprise me if he said ‘hey, I’ve been thinking that we should dress alike’

I wouldn’t put it past him to have some visible symbol on, sort of like Ramirez and his palm pentagram. Maybe the syndicalism symbol? IMHO

 

[Baby baby Jane]

Legal team just going thru the motions of working hard for the client Pathetic if best strategy is buy him a sweater that matches the legal team accessories. Looks from online that maroon is a fav color of Karen, maybe she just does not want him to clash.
On LM legal bill will be every second spent sourcing the sweater by a paralegal, even the time spent cutting off the price tag.

IMO:
- LM has a MH condition & family aware of risks as it’s not new
- His isolation and withdrawal red flags and parents had PI become involved once he took huge cash withdrawal and went totally off grid. Possible they have family office banking and could see his approx whereabouts (rent payment), spending & signs of life. Then Withdrawal was big & unusual. Red flag. I think parents knew where he was even tho no contact, because PI been involved for a while so that parents knew he was alive.

-Missing person report, because he was missing now, not just “no contact”. Big $$withdrawal & then moved out, & nothing.

Thinking - my child got this MH issue, goes no contact and now we know he has taken $25,000? from bank, or fully closed account and rent unpaid (maybe family bankers were guarantors & notified) and now no credit card or bank activity.

Family possibly thinking he’s going take his own life, or do something big & symbolic (and take his own life) …. Because why else just disappear w huge amount of cash?

IMO - his conviction by jury will be quick and easy, he did it, there’s so much evidence. Every chance a plea, because there is no case to present.
Imagine
“ People of the jury, it was not my client. It was an another guy, he was framed. He just picked up that backpack and was going to turn it in … wrong place wrong time”
“People of the jury, it was my client. Insurance is bad, the victim had it coming, LM so brave to speak out. Agree with me, not guilty! ?”

LM will be on trial, not medical costs, or insurance cost or denials.
IMO
Unwell guy (the signs are all there), irrational target, got caught holding the evidence, go to jail and do not collect $200. The end.

 

[Marantz4250b]

In LM’s case, same thing, the jury simply has to represent the views of the “medium majority” of the population.

Again, JMO.

That's not correct, though. Yes, the just has to be representative of the population but it's job is not to represent the views of society in general. It is instructed as to what the law is and then to apply the evidence to it and conclude whether the defendant is guilty or not. LM may be viewed by 90% of the population as close to a saint but that is irrelevant as far as the just are supposed to decide.

As I've said, I don't see any great fear of the jury refusing to convict him because they want to send a message. Those concerns are wildly over blown, imo.

 

[Marantz4250b]

Legal team just going thru the motions of working hard for the client Pathetic if best strategy is buy him a sweater that matches the legal team accessories. Looks from online that maroon is a fav color of Karen, maybe she just does not want him to clash.
On LM legal bill will be every second spent sourcing the sweater by a paralegal, even the time spent cutting off the price tag.

IMO:
- LM has a MH condition & family aware of risks as it’s not new
- His isolation and withdrawal red flags and parents had PI become involved once he took huge cash withdrawal and went totally off grid. Possible they have family office banking and could see his approx whereabouts (rent payment), spending & signs of life. Then Withdrawal was big & unusual. Red flag. I think parents knew where he was even tho no contact, because PI been involved for a while so that parents knew he was alive.

-Missing person report, because he was missing now, not just “no contact”. Big $$withdrawal & then moved out, & nothing.

Thinking - my child got this MH issue, goes no contact and now we know he has taken $25,000? from bank, or fully closed account and rent unpaid (maybe family bankers were guarantors & notified) and now no credit card or bank activity.

Family possibly thinking he’s going take his own life, or do something big & symbolic (and take his own life) …. Because why else just disappear w huge amount of cash?

IMO - his conviction by jury will be quick and easy, he did it, there’s so much evidence. Every chance a plea, because there is no case to present.
Imagine
“ People of the jury, it was not my client. It was an another guy, he was framed. He just picked up that backpack and was going to turn it in … wrong place wrong time”
“People of the jury, it was my client. Insurance is bad, the victim had it coming, LM so brave to speak out. Agree with me, not guilty! ?”

LM will be on trial, not medical costs, or insurance cost or denials.
IMO
Unwell guy (the signs are all there), irrational target, got caught holding the evidence, go to jail and do not collect $200. The end.

Yes - absolutely spot on!

 

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[GRT]

IMO, his lawyer did not show respect for the court in her getup.

Blouse not tucked it and not wearing dark, business clothing usually worn by officers of the court.

It's certainly different. I guess professional fashion is evolving. I think the two of them deliberately chose to stand out and create an impression.

There was almost a "rebel" vibe to it. It was modern, polished, cohesive, but it didn't come across as sloppy. At least, I didn't see it that way.

Visually, it worked. It sent the message -- We're united, we're sharp, we're not afraid to break conventions or bend the rules. MOO

I have no doubt it was orchestrated. I wonder if we will see more in coming court hearings. And, I wonder if it will spread to other cases.

All MOO

 

[Jw192]

You're making an argument even his attorney isn't making, and the reason she isn't making it is because there's just no room to do that. I mean, no one on the planet is arguing his guilt; the argument is merely that this guy deserved it.

Like if this guy isn't guilty, no one in America has ever been guilty of a crime.

As I see it anyway.

There are many many many that are arguing his guilt. It's everywhere. Personally, I believe he is the shooter.
We haven't seen what his lawyer is or isn't going to argue yet.
Yah, before she was retained when she had the same early outsider information that we had, she mentioned a mental health related defense... Time has passed, complaint docs have been filed and she will be way more privvy now to the case at its centre than we are, she will also get discovery where I'm sure she will find more to work with as a defense attorney. It is HER JOB now to argue for what's in the best interests of her client and to do that to the best of her ability, guided by how he wishes to plead.

As I see it anyway <3

 

[NuttMegg]

 

[Jw192]

How does that go down, can you elaborate? It’s hard to imagine how an attorney would begin a conversation about dressing alike.

On his end I can easily see him coming up with this idea. He’s crazy so it wouldn’t surprise me if he said ‘hey, I’ve been thinking that we should dress alike’

It's been used for hundreds of years, the matching clothes. I believe it was the defense lawyer who made it happen as she will have many times in the past, as will many other lawyers. It's not a new psychological tactic, but it's a good one... I mean look at how we're all talking about it and even those that aren't talking about it, subconsciously (and whether they like it or not) their brain will have processed it as a unity.

 

[GRT]

You're making an argument even his attorney isn't making, and the reason she isn't making it is because there's just no room to do that. I mean, no one on the planet is arguing his guilt; the argument is merely that this guy deserved it.

Like if this guy isn't guilty, no one in America has ever been guilty of a crime.

As I see it anyway.

Short of insanity, what can his attorney possibly argue in his defense?

Like him or hate him, virtually everyone accepts that he did it.

What does an attorney do with a case like that?

Dress alike?

 

[NuttMegg]

It's certainly different. I guess professional fashion is evolving. I think the two of them deliberately chose to stand out and create an impression.

There was almost a "rebel" vibe to it. It was modern, polished, cohesive, but it didn't come across as sloppy. At least, I didn't see it that way.

Visually, it worked. It sent the message -- We're united, we're sharp, we're not afraid to break conventions or bend the rules. MOO

I have no doubt it was orchestrated. I wonder if we will see more in coming court hearings. And, I wonder if it will spread to other cases.

All MOO

It makes him seem younger, under the care of "mama".

 

[Friday Fan]

It makes him seem younger, under the care of "mama".

Bingo