NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #9 *Arrest*

[CrimeDawg123]

Man the DM is really reaching with this cruel mother complaint bit. Now it's "evidence"

The evidence of Mangione's interest in the damage parents can do comes after it emerged he had accused his mother of forcing him to eat in a cruel way as a child.
[snip]
making him eat steak with his right hand, even though he is lefthanded, 'out of adherence to social norms.'
Mangione's last message to me seemed a cry for help... I didn't reply

I was born leftie. It was common practice when I entered kindergarten for school teachers to insist their students learn to write right. So I was forced to write with my right. I did so poorly, my penmanship was awful but it got the job done. Then in 2nd grade, I broke my right wrist and had to write with my left for several months. That was difficult and also not pretty because I had had the lefty "forced" out of me. Today I can write better (but not pretty) with my right, I can eat with either and throw catch with either.

Was I treated cruelly? nope, was I forced to do something I wasn't happy about? yep. Am I complaining about it? nope. It simply wasn't that big a deal.

Do better daily mail.

"making him eat steak with his right hand"

Yes, were every child so abused...

 

[Friday Fan]

Luigi Mangione refuses to waive extradition, denied bail

Luigi Mangione, charged with murder in the death of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, was denied bail at his hearing at Blair County Court House in Pennsylvania and did not waive extradition to New York. While the Extradition Act requires the governor to send him to New York, Pennsylvania...

www.nbcnews.com

I was a little surprised that LM was denied bail in PA before he'd been charged with murder, but the second commenter at the end of the video clip in above link explained that if it's a case where the DP is on the table, albeit in NYC, that it's standard practice.
Omo.

They do not have the death penalty in New York. It was abolished in 2007. His charges in PA are not death penalty.

MOO (Because I'm not knowledgeable about extradition) He was denied bail because they don't want him running lose and likely because of the pending charges and extradition request from New York. He was charged by New York on Monday night before his bail hearing. Therefore he had charges from New York for murder.

Likewise, when a criminal is picked up in one state for minor charges and there is a warrant for murder in another, they are not given bail.

Capital punishment in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Suspect in C.E.O.’s Killing Fights Extradition to New York

The 26-year-old suspect was charged with murder in New York after being arrested at a McDonald’s in Altoona, Pa. He appeared in court in Pennsylvania on Tuesday afternoon.

www.nytimes.com

 

[DizzyB]

"making him eat steak with his right hand"

Yes, were every child so abused...

What was the term-“inherited trauma”?

 

[sas0807]

If I am reading this correctly, it implies his mom believed until she reported him missing that he was still working at Tru Car.

Who is Luigi Mangione's mother? Kathleen Mangione reporte...

The mother of the man suspected of killing United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson reported him missing to police in San Francisco weeks before the shooting.

www.newsweek.com

Why did he withhold the last year he didn’t have a job/at least that job?

Maybe he was embarrassed of being laid off after being an overachiever his whole life or just wanted to have an excuse to be away from home. These are just wild guesses I'm throwing out though, I don't think it's been confirmed why he lied about his employment/location at this point.

 

[HmmMysterious]

This is a very telling interview, but the most fascinating part is right at the beginning when he says that from everything he has heard, Brian Thompson was trying to be a voice of reason within UHC to try to improve the way they treat their customers.

The reviews are telling me no...

One star galore in here

United Health Care Reviews: See What Customers Are Saying

 

[poppyquiche]

Gosh this one has me somewhat ambivalent.
On one hand I am and always will be a huge supporter of the law and LE and I am applauding them for apprehending so quickly, however on another hand I am a smidge disappointed. I can understand that this might be taboo and rub some here the wrong way and I mean no disrespect, but I am not totally surprised at the mass public reaction to this whole circus. On one hand I believe that nobody has the right to take the life of another and if they do they must face the consequences, but on another hand the whole healthcare "murdering by proxy" "eat the rich" etc... stuff is just so in your face it's hard to ignore and easy to understand. Look around both online and in your daily life and you will immediately come across someone who either them self or a loved one has been impacted by greedy healthcare issues. It's such a big issue and I hate to say it but this sort of thing was gonna happen eventually. Not just the alleged perp here but PEOPLE on a whole have had enough. Sure they don't all go out and commit murder thankfully (although many do resort to crime as a result) but it's not a surprise here that someone got pushed to the end of their own personal tether over it and took the most extreme measures.
Ugh I don't know, I just kinda get it and I hate that I feel that way. That said, I agree with the law and whatever the law hands to LM. I also agree with the people who aren't entirely condemning the act of "fighting back".
I am however hoping that this doesn't lead to any copycat attempts as not only is that wrong as a whole, unintended targets could get caught in the crossfire

Ultimately though my heart is with all the members of BT's family and friends... As well as those of LM and I'm sorry, but also LM himself... Also each and every single person who has been done over by healthcare companies... patients, staff and medical professionals alike.

Sorry if my own opinions here offend anybody, I'm struggling as I've not been this conflicted before and feel like a huge hypocrite <3

Thank you for this post. I think it was well-stated and polite and compassionate. I agree with your sentiments, and it's part of why I haven't been able to follow this story very closely. It just fills me with way too many different emotions at once. I feel terrible for the victim's children, and for all victims of crime, and for everyone struggling with the absolute mess this thing called humanity is, and the greed and misery and lies and pain it spawns everywhere on Earth. Humans have got to be better than we have been.

 

[Chimera]

This is a good article, published today (12/11/24) - featuring messages between LM and a friend in April to June of 2024. They also had video calls. Its quite in-depth, with some already known info, but also new details from this person he was communicating with.

Mangione's last message to me seemed a cry for help... I didn't reply

Gurwinder Bhogal fears that health insurance heavyweight Brian Thompson could still be alive today if he had not forgotten to respond to the Ivy League graduate's message.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Hope Bhogal isn't beating himself up too much.
Sounds like it was a brief contact, at best ?

Some of their articles are better titled than others.
It seems to depend on whom the writer is.
Omo.

 

[DizzyB]

Maybe he was embarrassed of being laid off after being an overachiever his whole life or just wanted to have an excuse to be away from home. These are just wild guesses I'm throwing out though, I don't think it's been confirmed why he lied about his employment/location at this point.

As smart as he was, he seemed underemployed to me. The kid could have been a rock star. With credentials like his, I think someone would have snapped this brainiac up in a heartbeat. If he chose his job because of the lifestyle he wanted to live, I think he could have applied and been hired in any number of positions after the layoffs. Valedictorian at his private high school, undergrad and Masters from UPenn, a family that could probably pull in a favor for an interview in any number of industries. Not to mention the family business, where he might actually be part of this health care industry that he found so flawed. There’s a backstory and it isn’t his back.

 

[HmmMysterious]

As smart as he was, he seemed underemployed to me. The kid could have been a rock star. With credentials like his, I think someone would have snapped this brainiac up in a heartbeat. If he chose his job because of the lifestyle he wanted to live, I think he could have applied and been hired in any number of positions after the layoffs. Valedictorian at his private high school, undergrad and Masters from UPenn, a family that could probably pull in a favor for an interview in any number of industries. Not to mention the family business, where he might actually be part of this health care industry that he found so flawed. There’s a backstory and it isn’t his back.

I just don't get it either. I wouldn't rule out family estrangement playing a role in all this.

 

[CrimeDawg123]

If I am reading this correctly, it implies his mom believed until she reported him missing that he was still working at TrueCar.

“According to the Chronicle, she believed her son had been working for TrueCar, a car-buying website, in the city. However, a TrueCar spokesperson has confirmed that Mangione has not worked for the company since 2023.”

Who is Luigi Mangione's mother? Kathleen Mangione reporte...

The mother of the man suspected of killing United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson reported him missing to police in San Francisco weeks before the shooting.

www.newsweek.com

Why did he withhold the last year he didn’t have a job/at least that job?

He might have started to crater and couldn't bring himself to tell his family. It sounds like they all are fairly high achievers and he might have felt reluctant to show weaknesses.

 

[Warwick7]

Sharing a Time Line anyone on WS can copy and add to (within and on WS). I have added an observation at the bottom of the post which came as a result of putting the time line together.

Mangione graduated from the University of Pennsylvania in 2020, a Penn spokesperson confirmed to CBS News. He received a Master of Science in engineering with a major in computer and information science, and a Bachelor of Science in engineering, majoring in computer science with a minor in mathematics, the spokesperson confirmed.

What we know about Luigi Mangione, suspect charged in UnitedHealthcare CEO's killing

From January to June 2022, Mangione lived at Surfbreak, a shared penthouse catering to remote workers at the edge of Honolulu tourist mecca Waikiki.

Inside Luigi Mangione's life as a charming tech grad in Hawaii

After Penn he won a job in late 2020 as a developer at TrueCar, a car resale site based in Santa Monica, California, where he worked for the next couple of years.

Then something changed. In 2023 he was laid off, in a year in which TrueCar cut more than 100 workers. In March that year he stopped posting on X for nine months.

Why Luigi Mangione Went Dark in 2023 and Returned Transformed

Kenny told CBS New York that the motive might have been related to an accident that sent Mangione to an emergency room on July 4, 2023.

Fingerprints found on evidence match those of CEO killing suspect, NYPD says

Mangione contested his extradition at a court hearing Tuesday.

ny1.com

2024

The Ivy league tech graduate charged with murdering UnitedHealthcare chief executive Brian Thompson in Manhattan made multiple visits to Japan earlier this year, according to those who spoke with the alleged gunman.

During one of his visits on Feb. 25, the suspect, Luigi Mangione, now 26, entered a restaurant in Tokyo where he sat at the counter, according to Obara Jun, a Japanese poker player who saw Mangione struggle with ordering in the restaurant.

CEO shooting suspect 'loved Japanese culture' but critiqued its society

Luigi Mangione, 26, who is charged with murdering Brian Thompson, made multiple visits to the country this year, according to those who spoke with him.

www.nbcnews.com

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An Observation: He may have been in a coverage gap from the time he was laid off until the Accident requiring the ER visit.

Now he has to pay the bills….

How does one go from engineering to a car salesman?
There could be truth to the "gap"

 

[Chimera]

They do not have the death penalty in New York. It was abolished in 2007. His charges in PA are not death penalty.

MOO (Because I'm not knowledgeable about extradition) He was denied bail because they don't want him running lose and likely because of the pending charges and extradition request from New York. He was charged by New York on Monday night before his bail hearing. Therefore he had charges from New York for murder.

Likewise, when a criminal is picked up in one state for minor charges and there is a warrant for murder in another, they are not given bail.

Capital punishment in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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Suspect in C.E.O.’s Killing Fights Extradition to New York

The 26-year-old suspect was charged with murder in New York after being arrested at a McDonald’s in Altoona, Pa. He appeared in court in Pennsylvania on Tuesday afternoon.

www.nytimes.com

Bbm.
Oh, ok. Thanks for the correction.

The way the guest answered the host in the clip it sounded like he'd said (paraphrased by me), "...if it's a life or death matter..."
He (NBC News Legal analyst Tom Sivallo) was most likely referring to the murder of Brian Thompson and not the penalties.
Omo.

 

[arielilane]

https://www.ktvu.com/news/luigi-mangione-former-classmate-lives-arizona-says-hes-shocked

12/9/2024

 

[citygirl]

Man the DM is really reaching with this cruel mother complaint bit. Now it's "evidence"

The evidence of Mangione's interest in the damage parents can do comes after it emerged he had accused his mother of forcing him to eat in a cruel way as a child.
[snip]
making him eat steak with his right hand, even though he is lefthanded, 'out of adherence to social norms.'
Mangione's last message to me seemed a cry for help... I didn't reply

I was born leftie. It was common practice when I entered kindergarten for school teachers to insist their students learn to write right. So I was forced to write with my right. I did so poorly, my penmanship was awful but it got the job done. Then in 2nd grade, I broke my right wrist and had to write with my left for several months. That was difficult and also not pretty because I had had the lefty "forced" out of me. Today I can write better (but not pretty) with my right, I can eat with either and throw catch with either.

Was I treated cruelly? nope, was I forced to do something I wasn't happy about? yep. Am I complaining about it? nope. It simply wasn't that big a deal.

Do better daily mail.

Agreed. Ridiculous and so wrong.By all accounts he came from a loving family. They had money but lived modestly. Very low key people. Unlike how they are presented in the news.
Saw the local news in front of Gilman School. It was rather funny. A maintenance man ran a leaf blower behind them so they had to shut it down. He graduated 8 years ago!Kudos to the maintenance man. JMO.

 

[Bounceycat]

How does one go from engineering to a car salesman?
There could be truth to the "gap"

He was a data scientist for them, not a salesman

 

[arielilane]

-- In Nov. 2024, LM’s mother filed a missing person report in San Francisco, saying she had not spoken to him since July [2024] and he told her he worked for TrueCar in its offices (San Francisco)

-- But TrueCar had shuttered its SF office by then

-- The company confirmed that LM has not been an employee of their company since 2023

 

[Warwick7]

He was a data scientist for them, not a salesman

That makes sense

 

[IDK]

SMH, disgraceful. IMO.

“A self-described socialist professor at the University of Pennsylvania seemingly celebrated the murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson in now-deleted social media posts that embraced accused killer Luigi Mangione as an “icon.”

“Julia Alekseyeva, an assistant professor of English and Cinema & Media Studies at the Ivy League school, who goes by “The Soviette” on social media, posted a video to TikTok of her smiling as the song “Do You Hear the People Sing?” from the musical “Les Misérables” played. “

“The since-deleted post, made after the alleged assassin was taken into custody Monday, was captioned: “Have never been prouder to be a professor at the University of P3nnsylvania (sic).””

https://nypost.com/2024/12/11/us-news/socialist-upenn-professor-hides-social-media-after-celebratory-post-about-ceo-murder-suspect-goes-viral/I’m

 

[Tiff23fr]

-- In Nov. 2024, LM’s mother filed a missing person report in San Francisco, saying she had not spoken to him since July [2024] and he told her he worked for TrueCar in its offices (San Francisco)

-- But TrueCar had shuttered its SF office by then

-- The company confirmed that LM has not been an employee of their company since 2023

One could hypothesize the last time they spoke was around the time this Emergency Room Visit occured. July

“Kenny told CBS New York that the motive might have been related to an accident that sent Mangione to an emergency room on July 4, 2023.”

Fingerprints found on evidence match those of CEO killing suspect, NYPD says

Mangione contested his extradition at a court hearing Tuesday.

ny1.com

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Yes. I understand. I used to live in Hawaii, and there were lots of Japanese who lived and worked there on Oahu. (In fact, one of my favorite bosses was Mel Yamamoto. One of my favorite co-workers was Kazuo Iwasaki.)

The flight between HI and Japan is about 8.5 hours. That's a long flight, even for someone healthy. We flew from TX to Kauai one year. It was about an 8-hour flight. My husband and I really enjoyed the trip, but he said, "Never again!"

JMO.

lHa ha.... I said the exact same thing after a trip to Kauai.... to this day, the most gorgeous geography EVER...
But would just not do it again... and my trip was more like 15 hours to get there.
But just such gorgeous memory.