NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #9 *Arrest*

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Appreciate all of the helpful links, Arielilane.
 
  • #643
@akahancrimesto1

More and more items being sold regarding ‘alleged’ murderer Luigi Mangione including his high school year and an array of shirts, hats and mugs This is just the beginning of the merchandising and marketing of Mangione I’ve seen this before in high profile cases

 
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I'm really interested in the process of curating beforehand what shows up on my pc. Forget the exact term that guy in UK was discussing that Luigi used. I know in FB one can completely block any news with just one word that you are trying to avoid, ie public figures or talking heads.
 
  • #645
He's quickly becoming the folk hero behind the prison walls and outside, isn't he?

If I were Brian Thompson's family I would start a media blitz. He needs a face, his life story, the loss to his loved ones and friends, his impact he's had on others lives. Right now he's not personal to people. Luigi is. They need to show up at his next court appearance. I bet Luigi's family will be there.
All JMO
IMO - there really is no need for the deceased's family to wage a media blitz as it stirs the pot and creates more drama. Things will die down - the next crime will steal the headlines and the media will be off and running in another direction.
When it goes to trial - that is the time for the family to have a presence etc - they will be guided well by legal people I am sure.
Let them have this time out of the spotlight - the wife and kids - to honor their individual grief and work through things without th emedia sensationalizing everything
JMO
 
  • #646
I am guessing that his family arranged for an attorney for him as soon as they heard that he had been arrested in Altoona. His current attorney from Altoona says he first met with LM at the courthouse the morning of his court appearance, just after the outburst from LM in front of the media when he arrived at the courthouse.

It's possible he told his attorney that he doesn't want any visits from his family at this time, and I am guessing that the attorney is acting as middle man between LM and his family, conveying messages back and forth, and of course only disclosing to the family what LM authorizes him to disclose.

I think his family will be helping him behind the scenes in whatever way they can and at some point they will visit him in person, whether in PA or in New York.
I am not impressed with that attorney who represented him in PA. Seems to have one eye on a position on news shows. Some of the stuff he objected to is ridiculous.
 
  • #647
IMO - there really is no need for the deceased's family to wage a media blitz as it stirs the pot and creates more drama. Things will die down - the next crime will steal the headlines and the media will be off and running in another direction.
When it goes to trial - that is the time for the family to have a presence etc - they will be guided well by legal people I am sure.
Let them have this time out of the spotlight - the wife and kids - to honor their individual grief and work through things without th emedia sensationalizing everything
JMO
That would just pour aviation fuel on the topic. Meaning the family of the victim mounting a media show.
 
  • #648
I just typed this into Google SE

motive for murder: pain

Every. single. link on the first page referenced Luigi. I didn't reference him in the least.

The media is handing him the best motive/plea possible, and on a silver platter.

[edited for typos]

Your word ‘pain’ jogged my memory.

The root of anger is fear. There was a book that I read a long time ago, can’t recall the author but it was about career criminals or individuals who resort to violence (anger) against people, places and things. We fear not being heard, respected, loved, understood, included, validated, etc.

The premise was whether we have spats or major disagreements, fear is underlying. Even the famous ‘pick up your dirty socks’, for some people it can make them fear being disrespected and not appreciated. ‘It’s very simple, why can’t you just do it??’. It can become ‘Tit for Tat, one-up, competition, bitterness’. The author wasn’t implying that people were murdering their partners over socks, but rather that the fear can also be in the smallest of details.
 
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Thank you- the family of Mr Thompson needs to speak out-- sadly he is not only forgotten in all of this hoo-ha about the murderer-- people diagnosing the murderer-- - people excusing him because perhaps he had on-going pain (and that may not even be true)---people making this murderer a hero--- I hope the family of Mr. Thompson speaks out soon- it must be so horribly painful for his family- I will say this again and again: social media is toxic!!
Bbm.
Add to that --- he is getting sympathy for his (possible) mental issues that he may or may not have ?
There are also varying degrees of mental fog and confusion.

LM made sloppy mistakes, but on the whole his plan was fairly meticulous.
My guess at this time is he's going to play on the pain and mental issues and the media is going to lap it up.

There are people with real mental issues that are severe, and they haven't harmed anyone at all.
This isn't an excuse for LM.
Disconcerting.
Adding to the immense pain of the Thompson family-- I agree with the above that he caused suffering to his own family.
They are not to blame for Luigi's decisions, he was an adult when he murdered Brian.

The chilling part of this is if he gets out early, say by his thirties or forties ?
I predict LM could be a danger to others for the rest of his life.
He has already shown us what he is.
A cold evil pathetic villain and not much else.
Omo.
 
  • #651
One of the earlier posts here said they laid off 24% of the workforce at once, then went out of business. 2023
That was no doubt traumatic for him.
 
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@akahancrimesto1

More and more items being sold regarding ‘alleged’ murderer Luigi Mangione including his high school year and an array of shirts, hats and mugs This is just the beginning of the merchandising and marketing of Mangione I’ve seen this before in high profile cases

As long as the $$ isn't going towards LM's defense ?

Still, it's grotesque as anything.
These types are no better than people selling serial killer's paintings.
Omo.
 
  • #653
Another FYI:
"Luigi Mangione, who authorities accuse of murdering UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, allegedly wrote in a notebook that he considered bombing Manhattan to carry out the killing but did not want to "kill innocents," a senior law enforcement source tells PEOPLE."

Apparently LM couldn't have sexual intercourse due to his back injury. Remembering how hormone driven young people are, this must have been devastating for him.
 
  • #654
I just typed this into Google SE

motive for murder: pain

Every. single. link on the first page referenced Luigi. I didn't reference him in the least.

The media is handing him the best motive/plea possible, and on a silver platter.

[edited for typos]


Your word ‘Pain’ jogged my memory.

The root of anger is fear. There was a book that I read a long time ago, can’t recall the author but it was about career criminals and/or first time offenders who resort to violence (anger) against people, places and things. Humans fear not being heard, respected, loved, understood, included, validated, etc. Primal.

The premise was that whether we have spats or major disagreements, fear is underlying. Even the famous ‘pick up your dirty socks’, for some people it can make them feel disrespected and not appreciated, resulting in harbored anger. ‘It’s so simple, why can’t you just do it for me???’

The author wasn’t implying that people murder their partners over socks but rather that fear can also be in the smallest of details.

What possessed this guy to choose murder instead of the healthy way to work through anger??? Radical thinking, radical actions.
 
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My apologies in advance as some parts of the following might sound repetetive, I didn’t sleep much last night and this case imo is absolutely wild!:

First, I just want to say I understand people are fed up and I don’t like a lot of health insurance companies practices or what they put people through sometimes, and I do empathize with my fellow WS members’ that have suffered a personal medical crisis and/or been through it with their family members, loved ones, friends and have been denied life saving treatments or surgeries, tests etc. by their health insurance company(s). I have been through it myself and though my own medical issue was not life threatening and has since resolved, I have a beloved close family member who was denied a life saving treatment and also, one of my close friend’s Mother sadly died several years ago due to delay after delay waiting for health ins. co. approval for life saving treatment. I realize my family member was very, very fortunate
in that his Oncologist appealed a denial and won and my family member was thankfully able to get the life saving cancer treatments.

Another friend of mine who earns low income but not low enough to qualify for Medicaid, qualified for Financial Aid through her provider and their associated hospital and is less expensive for her than buying private health insurance as she’s healthy, rarely gets sick, so mostly just goes to Doctor for her annual physical and screenings.

My SIL didn’t like her employer sponsored health plans/coverage, so shopped around and signed up for coverage with a private health insurance company with a bit of higher premium but better coverage and company overall. Not saying these options work for everyone, just pointing out that there are other options available if you’re not happy with your health insurance company and coverage and/or the companies policies.

As an aside, having worked in Finance and HR for many years,
it never ceases to amaze me the number of employees who don’t read or take time to understand how their selected health plan and coverage works i.e., co-pays, deductibles, max out of pocket expenses.Truly mind boggling to me as it is so, so important to understand what you are selecting/signing up for.

At any rate, I want to make clear that I have empathy for those of you and your loved ones who have suffered through pain and other debilitating medical conditions and been through the gamut with the health insurance companies and especially for those that have family members that died due to delays, denials, it’s tragic and absolutely heartbreaking.

I personally just cannot muster up much empathy, like zero, for a cold blooded killer of a Father of two Sons. Why should BT’s two innocent Sons have to pay such a devastating price having their Father taken away from them because of LM’s grievances, anger, ideology!?
My heart breaks for them and all of BT’s loved ones. I’m sure LM’s own family is hurt and devastated and I feel for them as well.

I realize LM appeared to be able to aim and shoot well, a good shot as they say, but hypothetically and food for thought- what if LM’s intended target BT (who I don’t believe deserved to be assassinated/killed) suddenly tripped over something and fell just as LM was pulling the trigger and ended up hitting and killing an innocent bystander!? Would that have been ok with LM as in, he was on a mission for the ‘cause’ and so if he missed his target and killed an innocent bystander, oh well too bad so sad?!?!? Obviously it didn’t happen but it could have as he couldn’t plan on some flukey thing happening like BT tripping and falling or something. Stranger things have happened and unintended targets aka innocent bystanders have tragically been killed before.

So, LM executed a man in cold blood, took a Father away from his Sons and all those who loved him, likely crushed his own family members, and put other innocent people/bystanders at risk just going about their morning on the sidewalk in NYC.
None.of.this.is.ok., to put it mildly.

I also get wanting to understand and know motive. It is important, but we will likely never know the full motive/all the why’s LM did what he did unless he tells us and maybe someday he will. I doubt it but you never know. Still, it is interesting to discuss and speculate about based on what we know so far and I really enjoy reading everyone’s ideas and thoughts regarding motive, what all makes LM tick so to speak, and how he got to where he did i.e., privileged, prep school, highly intelligent, nice guy with much promise to…….cold blooded killer.
I have my own ideas about how he got there that I’ve expressed in a couple other posts and also agree with many astute fellow WS’ers thoughts I’ve read here the past few days.

Sorry for another long ramble, time for me to scramble (back to reading)

IMHOO
 
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Your post is interesting and I appreciate your honesty but I respectfully, don’t understand. Please tell me what I’m missing. LM had a medical condition that worsened due to a surfing accident. He then chose to have surgery. After that, he was in so much pain he couldn’t work so he lived and surfed in Hawaii, went to California, travelled to Japan and then shot BT in the back. How is BT, the CEO of his insurance carrier, responsible for his back pain, the outcome of his surgery or his original medical condition?
IMO, anyone who is ‘happy’ about this murder (not implying you are)- or who inserts a laughing emoji in a post about BT’s funeral - is, at best misguided, or at worst, a fruit loop.

I am speaking, naturally, only for myself.

I was initially very mystified by this case. As a New Yorker I took it personally. I had my theories about who and why. Some of my theories were wrong and some were exactly right.

For me, the whodunnit was the biggest question. That’s been solved.

The motive is now clear because LM clarified it.

As I see it, much of this was self-inflicted wounds. He had back problems at a young age and that is a misery. But he CHOSE to go surfing and exacerbated his problem.

He had surgery….he was NOT DENIED the medical intervention to which he was entitled.

This was a gifted, privileged, popular, intelligent young man. World was his oyster and all of that.

I posted threads ago that in NYC he was bicycling, ran across the street, had a probably heavy backpack draped across his painful back, opted for lengthy bus rides, crisscrossed the country—-if he could do these things he was less crippled than others I know and less than the stories many of you have shared.

In my family we have twice had to deal with recalcitrant health insurance. My mom who has dementia and is wheel-chair bound we reluctantly had to place in a facility that costs nearly $10,000 a month and is not covered by Medicare. It’s eating up my dad’s savings and will eat up the rest of ours as time goes by.

I 100% grasp the inequity, the fear, the horror, the Byzantine rules and profit vs. care rendered by big health insurance and big pharmaceutical companies, too.

But what I see in the end is a self-designated revolutionary who was tilting at a windmill that didn’t actually cause him problems.

He was NOT someone who was turned down for surgery and whose family was therefore bankrupted.

I see a man who was the Big Man on Campus, who now felt diminished, who was frustrated by the pain he carried but whose own actions made it worse, and who decided it was time for a Blaze of Glory.

I don’t think he wanted to be caught, actually, but at minimum he could think of himself as having done an important thing that he alone had the “courage” and the “principles” to do.

As an American I certainly do hope for a more equitable health care system, but I can never condone murder, not by anyone, and certainly not by a self-aggrandizing, self-proclaimed one-man justice system.

I will be very interested when his trial begins, but as for now my interest wanes.

JMO and I’m sure not a popular one.

ETA: My curiosity now is mainly confined to how minutely planned the murder was, and yet the exit plan was so sloppy.
He left Panko-sized breadcrumbs behind. My guess is that the adrenaline rush was over once the murder was done.
 
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This is gold, you're going to want to watch this one.

@MassGuy Thx for linking 5 min vid w the "gold."
Ashleigh Banfield in NewsNation studio & Alex Caprariello at PA. correctional institute spoke live "exclusively with prison inmates" of LM.*
^ Not stone faced "Uncle Walter" Cronkite from the golden age of CBS TV news.^

Flashed me back to 1970s in a uni Broadcast Journalism class, taught by a retired regional TV anchor who spoke w disdain about the "ha-ha news." Meaning that during segues from a reporter to anchor et al, they would add a lighthearted or casual comment to one another, like, Glad to see you back from your vacation at the beach.

In those (not necessarily good old, pre-cable, pre-internet) days, no news outlets were producing content for the 24 hr news cycle.
Personally not longing to watch in black & white on old-fashioned console sets topped by rabbit ears, w news offered by only a few networks.

Lots to like about wide array of news sources now, even when some is infotainment.
Thx @MassGuy for your post. :)
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  • #658
A while back in the first thread someone asked about the reward. I don’t know if it was replied. If it was sorry for posting again. But I just came across this
 
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From the link above regarding the family inheritance. I am sure the trustees will do all they can to help save LM to a point. I would love to see the documents that were alluded to in the article about the grandmother's will. That article is interesting, from a victims perspective it could temper the thought of a wrongful death lawsuit. There are a lot of family members in the M family, I can only imagine how disgusted they are to have their family business shared and scrutinized all over the media. From what I have read they were proud of their name and legacy of community service and giving.

All jmo.
 
  • #660
As a 71-year-old lefty who has battled my entire life with scissors that are "backward" and constantly jockeying for the end of tables, I sometimes wish my mother had tried to pressure me to be right-handed. Having said that I have never used that as an excuse to murder anyone. LoL

LM didn’t complain about or use left handedness as a motive.

The comment on it was unrelated to the crime and well prior.

If one is, and the M’s apparently are, often dining in formal settings for table etiquette reasons I can see making some alterations to handedness in eating.

My mom and daughter are left handed so we arrange seating at the big dining table so they are not worried about banging elbows.

The Daily Mail is the one saying it’s cruel trying to work up some drama in the absence of any real information, imo.


"The suspected killer of United Health Care CEO Luigi Mangione claimed his mother made him eat steak with his right hand even though he is left-handed.

Luigi Mangione's disturbing claim about way his mother made him eat



All imo
 
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