NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #9 *Arrest*

[MrB327]

He's not a first at anything. He's just another who stalked a man, then shot him in the back. As a result, he will be removed from society and placed in a concrete box where he will be prevented from shooting more strangers in the back. He will be surrounded by people just like him.

I think that the shooter thought he was so clever that he would never get caught. That's why he started shaking when he was caught - he didn't have a plan for that situation.

Regarding what he describes as "brutal honesty" ... it seems more like looking for someone to blame for his poor choices. He got the surgery he wanted, but not the result.

Outstanding post!!!

 

[Let’s Bagel]

I’m shaking my head in here a lot this morning. Luigi Mangione gunned down a man in cold blood. Some of y’all seem to think he had it coming. Should we start assassinating government officials that pass laws that we consider harmful? Bank CEOs if they foreclose on a home because a person lost their job and can’t pay the mortgage? Can we execute those who do us harm, as long as we have a reason? When did lawlessness become acceptable?

I saw some photos of LM in Japan, taken this year. While it was said that he declined a hiking excursion, he was able to participate in the other activities. If he was driven to murder, I don’t believe it was due to his pain level.

Agreed. If I were the CEO of Aetna, Anthem, Cigna, etc. i'd be hiding under my bed right now. This is a mind numbing thought process to me.

 

[Legal]

Below is a quote from an article linked on the previous thread (I couldn't reply as the thread is closed).

"Mr Klein says he's been inundated with calls since Thompson was killed. Top US firms typically spend millions of dollars on personal security for high-level executives."

Isn't the obvious answer to spend the millions of dollars on paying their customers' medical bills rather than on protection for executives who may be targeted by said irate customers?

Ludicrous system.

 

[BrianJohnson]

Yep I thought it a long shot but maybe you could get it this way round. Your are not asking them to divulge personal information or to directly confirm whether they are staying there so it might slip through.

I would imagine if he tried phoning random hotels asking to be put through to BT’s room that he would be asked for the room number regardless of whether BT was staying there or not

 

[Betty P]

Gosh this one has me somewhat ambivalent.
On one hand I am and always will be a huge supporter of the law and LE and I am applauding them for apprehending so quickly, however on another hand I am a smidge disappointed. I can understand that this might be taboo and rub some here the wrong way and I mean no disrespect, but I am not totally surprised at the mass public reaction to this whole circus. On one hand I believe that nobody has the right to take the life of another and if they do they must face the consequences, but on another hand the whole healthcare "murdering by proxy" "eat the rich" etc... stuff is just so in your face it's hard to ignore and easy to understand. Look around both online and in your daily life and you will immediately come across someone who either them self or a loved one has been impacted by greedy healthcare issues. It's such a big issue and I hate to say it but this sort of thing was gonna happen eventually. Not just the alleged perp here but PEOPLE on a whole have had enough. Sure they don't all go out and commit murder thankfully (although many do resort to crime as a result) but it's not a surprise here that someone got pushed to the end of their own personal tether over it and took the most extreme measures.
Ugh I don't know, I just kinda get it and I hate that I feel that way. That said, I agree with the law and whatever the law hands to LM. I also agree with the people who aren't entirely condemning the act of "fighting back".
I am however hoping that this doesn't lead to any copycat attempts as not only is that wrong as a whole, unintended targets could get caught in the crossfire

Ultimately though my heart is with all the members of BT's family and friends... As well as those of LM and I'm sorry, but also LM himself... Also each and every single person who has been done over by healthcare companies... patients, staff and medical professionals alike.

Sorry if my own opinions here offend anybody, I'm struggling as I've not been this conflicted before and feel like a huge hypocrite <3

Thanks for this lovely, insightful post. It's a very realistic view of the dilemma so many are facing. As a national community, there's so much that we all need to discuss and solve. It's ok to bring all the ugly parts of this tragic story to light. Our fellow Americans are unfairly suffering and its ok to say that out loud.

 

[Betty P]

Below is a quote from an article linked on the previous thread (I couldn't reply as the thread is closed).

"Mr Klein says he's been inundated with calls since Thompson was killed. Top US firms typically spend millions of dollars on personal security for high-level executives."

Isn't the obvious answer to spend the millions of dollars on paying their customers' medical bills rather than on protection for executives who may be targeted by said irate customers?

Ludicrous system.

The United States is the only developed country in the world that doesn't recognize health care as a basic human right. We need to fix that and we can.

 

[m00c0w]

Below is a quote from an article linked on the previous thread (I couldn't reply as the thread is closed).

"Mr Klein says he's been inundated with calls since Thompson was killed. Top US firms typically spend millions of dollars on personal security for high-level executives."

Isn't the obvious answer to spend the millions of dollars on paying their customers' medical bills rather than on protection for executives who may be targeted by said irate customers?

Ludicrous system.

That would only protect against people mad about their health coverage, though. The shooter here would not fit into that category, along with many other people that decide to kill high-profile individuals for one reason or another.

JMO

 

[BrianJohnson]

I do wonder whether his decision to kill BT was at least partly over envy/bitterness

Both BT and LM had similar high achievements in elite schools and universities yet here was BT running a massive global enterprise and here was LM who’s last job was a relatively low level IT job in the car industry, he may have read an article on BT’s education and this made him even more angry/bitter out of how his life turned out compared with BT

There are dozens of healthcare CEO’s, he could have killed Andrew Witty who is even more senior than BT so sounds like a personal thing

 

[krikken]

Following this from the UK.

Having executed his plan and disappeared very effectively, I'm amazed that the suspect's movements after the event were so sloppy. He didn't get rid of the fake ID's and the weapon and hung around in public places such as that McDonalds. One would have expected him to lay very low and perhaps change his appearance too.

I'm also curious to know how he was cognisant with the victim's movements that day, perhaps he was aware of the event BT was attending and just decided to wait it out, but I do wonder if he wasn't acting alone.

R.I.P. Brian Thompson

I think he wants to do what raises awareness of his central cause.

He sort of did a "proof of concept" (quotes to indicate how HE might see it), saying he used social engineering, 3-D modeling and patience. He wrote that further details were in his spiral notebook. That kind of approach could by definition be replicated by others. It sends a "no one is safe" message. Planting that sort of seed might be more effective than him personally stalking additional CEOs. Coming across as a serial killer would weaken the case for "political revolutionary".

Expect circus from here on. Frivolous challenges to individual claims, aggressively pursuing any aspect where LE messed up, possibly Abbie Hoffman-like courtroom antics or at least the prospect of it. Look how his entrance to the hearing boosted interest in the exit - "what will he shout this time?" It's to keep the story, and the cause, above the fold.

Buckle up.

I have a feeling the issue of eyebrows or lack thereof in certain footage on Dec. 4 will figure prominently at some point.

 

[sds71]

Shortly after Luigi Mangione was apprehended on Monday, admirers of his began setting up pages to help the CEO murder suspect ... but the company has officially shut down all the campaigns, TMZ has learned.

A spokesperson for the company tells TMZ ... "’s Terms of Service prohibit fundraisers for the legal defense of violent crimes. The fundraisers have been removed from our platform and all donors have been refunded."

https://www.tmz.com/2024/12/10/🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬-pulls-all-pro-luigi-mangione-campaigns/?adid=social-tw

 

[m00c0w]

I think he wants to do what raises awareness of his central cause.

He sort of did a "proof of concept" (quotes to indicate how HE might see it), saying he used social engineering, 3-D modeling and patience. He wrote that further details were in his spiral notebook. That kind of approach could by definition be replicated by others. It sends a "no one is safe" message. Planting that sort of seed might be more effective than him personally stalking additional CEOs. Coming across as a serial killer would weaken the case for "political revolutionary".

Expect circus from here on. Frivolous challenges to individual claims, aggressively pursuing any aspect where LE messed up, possibly Abbie Hoffman-like courtroom antics or at least the prospect of it. Look how his entrance to the hearing boosted interest in the exit - "what will he shout this time?" It's to keep the story, and the cause, above the fold.

Buckle up.

I have a feeling the issue of eyebrows or lack thereof in certain footage on Dec. 4 will figure prominently at some point.

BBM

It’s almost like people forget what image compression is any time something like this comes up.

 

[Deleted member 341776]

My eyebrows are prominent in real life but totally disappear in photos depending on lighting and the camera. If I know I'm going to be photographed, I throw some pencil on. Guessing it's the same for the slight unibrow for Luigi.

 

[olderthandirt]

I do wonder whether his decision to kill BT was at least partly over envy/bitterness

Both BT and LM had similar high achievements in elite schools and universities yet here was BT running a massive global enterprise and here was LM who’s last job was a relatively low level IT job in the car industry, he may have read an article on BT’s education and this made him even more angry/bitter out of how his life turned out compared with BT

There are dozens of healthcare CEO’s, he could have killed Andrew Witty who is even more senior than BT so sounds like a personal thing

Maybe, but LM was 26 and BT 50 years old so BT had 24 years to achieve his level so not really comparable. Maybe LM was so entitled and didn’t see that and expected to start at the top.

 

[Justice101]

He's not a first at anything. He's just another who stalked a man, then shot him in the back. As a result, he will be removed from society and placed in a concrete box where he will be prevented from shooting more strangers in the back. He will be surrounded by people just like him.

I think that the shooter thought he was so clever that he would never get caught. That's why he started shaking when he was caught - he didn't have a plan for that situation.

Regarding what he describes as "brutal honesty" ... it seems more like looking for someone to blame for his poor choices. He got the surgery he wanted, but not the result.

This! Thanks @otto

Who made him God??? Who made him responsible for deciding who gets killed and who doesn't?

This was not self defense. This was not a murder in the heat of the moment with a relative. This was cold blooded murder.

He is just another radical like Ted Kaczynski. Who is smart and thinks he has a right to kill people to teach them a lesson and change the world.

The real brutal honesty is that the killer is just another cold blooded killer.

Do not give him a platform. Put him in prison and throw away the key.

 

[MassGuy]

Following this from the UK.

Having executed his plan and disappeared very effectively, I'm amazed that the suspect's movements after the event were so sloppy. He didn't get rid of the fake ID's and the weapon and hung around in public places such as that McDonalds. One would have expected him to lay very low and perhaps change his appearance too.

I'm also curious to know how he was cognisant with the victim's movements that day, perhaps he was aware of the event BT was attending and just decided to wait it out, but I do wonder if he wasn't acting alone.

R.I.P. Brian Thompson

In his manifesto, he stated firmly that he did this alone, and how this was less complicated than it appears.

He mentioned "elementary social engineering," which seems to imply that he obtained information on the victim's movements by communicating with people who had some knowledge of that. So it sounds like a person or persons unwittingly gave him what he needed in that regard.

He also mentioned "a lot of patience."

 

[kuromiiiilove]

I’ll withhold my complex personal thoughts on the state of healthcare in the US, the ethical dilemma of billionaires, and this case being resolved. I have to say that as someone who watched my mother lose her joy, her ability to work, hell, her ability to get off the couch due to an L4 injury - I deeply empathize with LM, although I cannot get on board with killing those we don’t agree with (at least extrajudicially…)

That being said, has parallel construction been brought up in this thread? I am finding the McDonalds story somewhat difficult to believe. More believable, IMO, is the police using a stingray system to skim many phones, ID’ing LM, then working back to a plausible way they discovered him. I know a faraday bag was mentioned (I have one myself), but LM denies that it’s a faraday bag, only a dry bag… IMO MOO.

 

[dotr]

Dec 11, 2024
A former college classmate of the United Healthcare shooter says he was 'brilliant' in his college days.

 

[MassGuy]

Here's the full manifesto.

"To the Feds, I'll keep this short, because I do respect what you do for our country. To save you a lengthy investigation, I state plainly that I wasn't working with anyone.

"This was fairly trivial: some elementary social engineering, basic CAD, a lot of patience.

"The spiral notebook, if present, has some straggling notes and To Do lists that illuminate the gist of it. My tech is pretty locked down because I work in engineering so probably not much info there.

"I do apologize for any strife of traumas but it had to be done.

"Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming. A reminder: the US has the #1 most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly #42 in life expectancy.

"United is the [indecipherable] largest company in the US by market cap, behind only Apple, Google, Walmart. It has grown and grown, but [h]as our life expectancy?

"No the reality is, these [indecipherable] have simply gotten too powerful, and they continue to abuse our country for immense profit because the American public has allowed them to get away with it.

"Obviously the problem is more complex, but I do not have space, and frankly I do not pretend to be the most qualified person to lay out the full argument. But many have illuminated the corruption and greed (e.g.: Rosenthal, Moore), decades ago and the problems simply remain.

"It is not an issue of awareness at this point, but clearly power games at play. Evidently I am the first to face it with such brutal honesty."

Luigi Mangione manifesto: Read reported document in full

Luigi Mangione's full manifesto was released by journalist Ken Klippenstein and later confirmed to be legitimate by police.

www.newsweek.com

 

[Betty P]

I think he wants to do what raises awareness of his central cause.

He sort of did a "proof of concept" (quotes to indicate how HE might see it), saying he used social engineering, 3-D modeling and patience. He wrote that further details were in his spiral notebook. That kind of approach could by definition be replicated by others. It sends a "no one is safe" message. Planting that sort of seed might be more effective than him personally stalking additional CEOs. Coming across as a serial killer would weaken the case for "political revolutionary".

Expect circus from here on. Frivolous challenges to individual claims, aggressively pursuing any aspect where LE messed up, possibly Abbie Hoffman-like courtroom antics or at least the prospect of it. Look how his entrance to the hearing boosted interest in the exit - "what will he shout this time?" It's to keep the story, and the cause, above the fold.

Buckle up.

I have a feeling the issue of eyebrows or lack thereof in certain footage on Dec. 4 will figure prominently at some point.

I don't think his attorney will allow him to have any more public outbursts. According to news coverage of his hearing yesterday, the attorney quickly squelched an outburst in court.

Just my speculation, but I think LM will reconnect with his family and they will have a moderating influence on his public behavior.

 

[NuttMegg]

The United States is the only developed country in the world that doesn't recognize health care as a basic human right. We need to fix that and we can.

Right there in the 1st sentence of the constitution. "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union,.............promote the general Welfare.....

The Constitution of the United States: A Transcription

Note: The following text is a transcription of the Constitution as it was inscribed by Jacob Shallus on parchment (the document on display in the Rotunda at the National Archives Museum). The spelling and punctuation reflect the original.

www.archives.gov

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