NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #9 *Arrest*

[acutename]

I don’t believe this report. It makes no sense at all. He was clearly able to flee the city with his gun and ammunition, and there’s no reason for him to have dumped any.

guess they can check for his fingerprints on the bag

 

[arielilane]

Article posted by @Tiff23fr and thank you for posting it.

Fingerprints found on evidence match those of CEO killing suspect, NYPD says

Mangione contested his extradition at a court hearing Tuesday.

ny1.com

The article mentions "corporate greed.”
Who doesnt have a dislike for corporate greed? It’s still not a reason to murder someone over.


So confusing about why LM needed the surgery to begin with, media has reported a few different scenarios.

This time, according to linked article, motive might have been related to an accident that sent LM to an emergency room on July 4, 2023.

If so, agree with others, curious if he wanted to get the surgery done before he is taken off of his parents’ medical insurance. Additionally, possibly pissed at himself for getting the surgery, which did not fix him?

Dont know any of this for sure… only an opinion, speculation.

 

[Let’s Bagel]

There is an awful lot of fraud an quackery out there in the realm of medicine. There is justifiable reason to have algorithms of care, of best practice, of the need for real documentation to shut down the really blatant schemes out there.

Medicare has a huge fraud division and it needs more help. Healthcare insurances are fulfilling that fraud screen at this time for non-governmental health insurance. I think they have the right to ask for documentation and verification of illness and treatments, to stop fake claims and treatments that are harmful to patients.

Agreed. It would be the wild west if payors just let providers dictate everything without any checks and balances. I work in executive finance on the provider side of healthcare. The providers from years ago are the ones who were the catalyst for this getting so out of control. Trust me, it's horrific what the payors are doing right now, but they don't have full responsibility going back to the beginning of all of this.

 

[Kapua]

The fact that LM stayed in the northeast and made no attempt to disguise himself still baffles me. 5 days - take the bus to Little Rock, Omaha or Des Moines. Get a job using your real identity for a while, lay low and reinsert yourself into society. Massive blunder to stay in the NE still wearing the same mask etc. Would love to know if he had seen the released pictures of himself from CCTV around NYC.

Same.
He planned the murder and the initial getaway fairly well, apart from failing to take into account that he'd be asked to pull his mask down to match him with his fake ID at the hostel. And the fact that all NY taxis have cameras was something he failed to consider. His next moves should have been to disguise himself and get as far away from the NE as quickly as possible. Had he changed his appearance and rented a cabin somewhere, he could still be free or on the run. Criminals trip themselves up by believing they are smarter than the police. Maybe he knew they'd catch up with him sooner or later and just resigned himself to that. MOO

 

[eddie_van]

Fraud checks being done by entities which have a financial incentive to deny legitimate claims is a conflict of interest though. There should be audits by an independent board of medical specialists.

yeah the whole industry is a conflict of interest. their job is to pay for care, but they only profit if they deny paying for care. such a thing is not a good system. in a way, profit in the health insurance industry is an inefficiency; all that money could have been going to patients' care.

 

[Pisces Cloud]

Seriously. I don't have words. He could have said tons of other things. Very poor choice to make these kinds of comments. Displaying insensitivity and zero emotional intelligence. IMO

He probably lacks empathy and that's why these type of people do well in such jobs. Certainly a complete lack of self awareness too.

 

[Herat]

DBM. Off topic

 

[rsteen]

Seriously. I don't have words. He could have said tons of other things. Very poor choice to make these kinds of comments. Displaying insensitivity and zero emotional intelligence. IMO

Yes, quite startling to see the business being discussed at all, even internally, in the context of an employee's very recent murder. BT would have been his direct report as well, right? Witty would have worked with him personally.

 

[DizzyB]

Article posted by @Tiff23fr and thank you for posting it.

Fingerprints found on evidence match those of CEO killing suspect, NYPD says

Mangione contested his extradition at a court hearing Tuesday.

ny1.com

The article mentions "corporate greed.”
Who doesnt have a dislike for corporate greed? It’s still not a reason to murder someone over.


So confusing about why LM needed the surgery to begin with, media has reported a few different scenarios.

This time, according to linked article, motive might have been related to an accident that sent LM to an emergency room on July 4, 2023.

If so, agree with others, curious if he wanted to get the surgery done before he is taken off of his parents’ medical insurance. Additionally, possibly pissed at himself for getting the surgery, which did not fix him?

Dont know any of this for sure… only an opinion, speculation.

I am not buying anything that this kid has posted. Lifelong spinal pain? Back surgery, then pain free in a week? Brain fog? IBS? He lived in MD, Hawaii, supposedly California, travelled at least once to Japan in the last year. Bouldering, surfing, he was pretty jacked. I think he mentally had a lot going on, and may have believed all of those things. But that doesn’t make them true.

 

[Herat]

DBM Off-topic

 

[CrimeDawg123]

Article posted by @Tiff23fr and thank you for posting it.

Fingerprints found on evidence match those of CEO killing suspect, NYPD says

Mangione contested his extradition at a court hearing Tuesday.

ny1.com

The article mentions "corporate greed.”
Who doesnt have a dislike for corporate greed? It’s still not a reason to murder someone over.


So confusing about why LM needed the surgery to begin with, media has reported a few different scenarios.

This time, according to linked article, motive might have been related to an accident that sent LM to an emergency room on July 4, 2023.

If so, agree with others, curious if he wanted to get the surgery done before he is taken off of his parents’ medical insurance. Additionally, possibly pissed at himself for getting the surgery, which did not fix him?

Dont know any of this for sure… only an opinion, speculation.

It's the perfect storm - corporations moved away from defined benefit/pension plans and moved employees to 401Ks. So workers now rely more and more on corporations for their retirement income. Corporations having record profits and record stock market highs - yea - corporations screwing the consumer to get there - boo.

 

[Big Ears]

Typically, the serial numbered “frame” of the firearm is considered the “firearm” that is regulated for manufacture and sale by US law. The firearm is question in this murder is a typical modern semi-auto pistol. If it were not a “ghost gun”, ie, “home” manufactured pistol, say a store bought Glock (which it is roughly modeled after), the part that is considered the “gun” is the frame. Typically, the barrell, slide, action parts ( trigger, sear, hammer or striker, mag catches or disconnects, springs, firing pin, etc, etc) are not serial numbered nd can be changed out at will by owner, gunsmith, shop, whatever. I can purchase replacement slides and barrels for a semi-automatic handgun without filing out form 4473 and/or background checks etc,etc.

If this is indeed a “Glock type” ghost gun, the 3d printed frame of polymer likely would not have metal rails integral to the polymer for the slide to ride upon. This would make the ghost frame not as long living and possibly reliable as a for sure manufactured frame. The reason why people only ghost the frame is that is because that’s the part you cannot buy without going through a dealer and follow g all applicable laws (form 4473, which I now call the Hunter Biden form), background check, waiting period (depending on jurisdiction), etc, etc. Everything else I can purchase w/o notifying the govt. The other reason is the barrel needs to be made of metal to contain the pressure of the explosion and to endure the friction/wear of the bullet and to provide grip to impart spin on the projectile. The slide needs to be heavy enough to adequately work the action.

I imagine you could ghost a gun with very little metal (maybe only chamber), but it would be a different design.

I’m sure not all this is entirely accurate, but should capture the gist of it.

Thanks for answering my questions. He 3D printed the silencer of plastic. It's amazing that or the gun didn't blow apart with all the misfires it was making.

 

[CrimeDawg123]

Ghost guns:

 

[sas0807]

I am not buying anything that this kid has posted. Lifelong spinal pain? Back surgery, then pain free in a week? Brain fog? IBS? He lived in MD, Hawaii, supposedly California, travelled at least once to Japan in the last year. Bouldering, surfing, he was pretty jacked. I think he mentally had a lot going on, and may have believed all of those things. But that doesn’t make them true.

If it comes out at some point that he didn’t even have surgery I will LOSE MY MIND

 

[BrianJohnson]

Yes, quite startling to see the business being discussed at all, even internally, in the context of an employee's very recent murder. BT would have been his direct report as well, right? Witty would have worked with him personally.

Witty was his boss yes, tbf Witty attended his funeral so clearly cared about him on a personal level. While he could have chosen his words better I think it was a kind of rally the troops motivational speech to tell everyone intimidation and murder will not win

 

[Orlguy]

there is usually an income restriction

this is the application in Altoona- it does not spell out the amount but you are supposed to be "indigent"

https://www.blairco.org/getmedia/6158f8a1-e901-448d-90d6-75441328fee2/Blair-County-Public-Defender-Application.pdf

"

Right to Counsel​

Every person arrested or accused of an offense in Pennsylvania has the right to the assistance of counsel for his defense. The right to counsel includes the right to representation even if the accused is indigent and cannot afford counsel. Although entitled to free counsel, an indigent defendant does not have the right to defense counsel of his/her choice."

Blair County PA - Welcome to Blair County

www.blairco.org

I've been confused about this as well. Did he have any money on his own? Stocks, if not bank accounts? Perhaps foreign bank accounts? He had the equivalent of $10K on him when arrested, but I haven't seen anywhere where the $2K of this in foreign currency was for. I would think his wealthy parents would be helping him out with the best defense possible, although maybe he's estranged with them permanently only talking to them "recently". While he wasn't working he had to have money from his previous job, or somehow getting money to afford a $4 K apartment in Hawaii.

 

[Chimera]

I am not buying anything that this kid has posted. Lifelong spinal pain ? Back surgery, then pain free in a week ? Brain fog ? IBS ? He lived in MD, Hawaii, supposedly California, travelled at least once to Japan in the last year. Bouldering, surfing, he was pretty jacked. I think he mentally had a lot going on, and may have believed all of those things. But that doesn’t make them true.

Bbm.
Hmm.
A miracle happened ?
Imo.

 

[Kapua]

Luigi Mangione's school friend didn't recognize him in photos , says ' Italians in New York are a dime a dozen'​

By Ronny Reyes
A high school friend of accused UnitedHealthcare CEO killer Luigi Mangione said he didn’t recognize him because there are a lot of “Italians in New York.”

Fred Leatherbury, who attended the private Gilman School in Baltimore with Mangione, told Fox & Friends that it never occurred to him that his old friend could’ve been the suspect wanted in a five-day manhunt for Brian Thompson.

“When something so large… happens nationally, I automatically disregard that it could be anybody I know, just out of instinct,” he told host Steve Doocy. “And the thing that I remember about Luigi, if anything, is his really distinct, curly hair.

“And in all the security camera footage, all you saw was him with a hat or a hood on, so that wasn’t a connection that I was making,” he added.
“And of course Italians in New York are a dime a dozen—so just the jaw structure alone, the face, that wasn’t a judgment I was rushing to make. I brushed it off, to be honest.”

Luigi Mangione in custody live updates: ‘Cagey’ suspect tried to get hotel room just before he was caught

Follow The Post’s live updates for the latest news in the killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, as Ivy League grad Luigi Mangione is charged with his murder.

nypost.com

He makes some notable points: People naturally would have a tendency to not think it's someone they know who had previously never shown any violent tendencies. And in the case of LM in particular, the thing his friend found most memorable about him was his distinctive curly hair. With a hat or a hood, all we saw were his prominent eyebrows and without the mask, we saw his broad smile. And like I posted previously, nobody in his family, nor none of his friends had any idea that he was in NY. They thought he was in HI or CA. Also, even if a friend or family member had called in a tip, and maybe one or more did, LE would have had his name, probably among many others, but not his location.

The person who made the call at McDonald's was in a better position to identify the shooter and his location, both of which were necessary for the arrest. I hope she does get the reward, and I hope it doesn't take years. MOO

 

[Teche]

Maybe the surgery was a success initially, but then he deteriorated again over the last year or so? Just speculating.

I bet mental health issues started creeping in.

 

[Chimera]

Thanks for answering my questions. He 3D printed the silencer of plastic. It's amazing that or the gun didn't blow apart with all the misfires it was making.

Ita.
Too bad it didn't fall apart in LM's hands, before it could be used to kill someone.
Omo.