NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #9 *Arrest*

[otto]

This is the tightest I have been able to get the timeline on July 2023 so far.

Kenny told CBS New York that the motive might have been related to an accident that sent Mangione to an emergency room on July 4, 2023.

Fingerprints found on evidence match those of CEO killing suspect, NYPD says

Mr. Martin said that Mr. Mangione left Hawaii in the summer of 2023, presumably for an operation on his back. In August of that year, Mr. Martin said, he checked in via text to see how his friend was doing, “and he sent me back pictures of his back surgery.”

Mr. Mangione left the co-living space after six months to return to the East Coast, where he told Mr. Martin he was planning to see his doctor. He returned to Honolulu afterward and rented an apartment in the same neighborhood.
Luigi Mangione's back pain: What we know about suspect's spinal surgery


In FEB 2024 he upgraded:
February moved into $4,000 p/m High Rise in HI
Exclusive | Luigi Mangione resided in this Honolulu apartment in the months before his arrest

How he was paying for his upgraded flat with reportedly no job, is yet to be answered.

Thank you! Does that means that this all started in July 2023? Does this timeline seems correct? The question of money to upgrade accommodations and travel to Japan while out of work is interesting. If he had an allowance before the accident, why didn't he spend more on accommodations when he was working?

diagnosis - spondylolisthesis, led to his back pain

Jan 2022 - sciatica,
Mar 2022 - nerve pain issues, experienced pain off and on

Jan 2023 ??? He was living in Hawaii working a remote job out of Santa Barbara. He lived in a shared community on the 40th floor with other remote workers. He participated in sports

June 2023 - he lost his job with TrueCar
Did he have another job afterward?

He spent 6 months living with remote workers in Hawaii high-rise

July 2023 - he and his remote working friends organized a beginner surf lesson, where he injured his back. He was in bed for a week. He left the community to seek medical treatment on the East Coast. He may have been in hospital

July 2023 - surgery

August 2023 - allegedly on the East Coast, he said that he had the surgery. Per social media posts, he claimed that he was cured after 8 days recovery.

He went to Japan at least once, perhaps looking for work?

Feb 2024 - he was living in Hawaii again, spending twice as much on accommodation. Did he receive a settlement?

He organized a book club with the remote workers while he was living separately? date? Was advised by remote worker roommate to read the mail-bomber manifesto

May 2024 - after 10 months of recommending back surgery, he stopped

July 2024 - he stopped talking to friends and family

Nov 2024 - he was reported missing in San Francisco.

Dec 2024 - shoots a stranger in the back

 

[Tiff23fr]

Thank you! Does that means that this all started in July 2023? Does this timeline seems correct? The question of money to upgrade accommodations and travel to Japan while out of work is interesting. If he had an allowance before the accident, why didn't he spend more on accommodations when he was working?

Jan 2023 ??? He was living in Hawaii working a remote job out of Santa Barbara. He lived in a shared community on the 40th floor with other remote workers. He participated in sports

June 2023, he lost his job with TrueCar
Did he have another job afterward?

He spent 6 months living with remote workers in Hawaii high-rise

July 2023, he and his remote working friends organized a beginner surf lesson, where he injured his back. He was in bed for a week. He left the community to seek medical treatment on the East Coast. He may have been in hospital

August 2023, allegedly on the East Coast, he said that he had the surgery. Per social media posts, he claimed that he was cured after 8 days recovery.

He went to Japan at least once, perhaps looking for work?

Feb 2024, he was living in Hawaii again, spending twice as much on accommodation. Did he receive a settlement?

He organized a book club with the remote workers while he was living separately? date? Was advised by remote worker roommate to read the mail-bomber manifesto

May 2024, after 10 months of recommending back surgery, he stopped

July 2024, he stopped talking to friends and family

Nov 2024, he was reported missing in San Francisco.

Dec 2024, shoots a stranger in the back

You got it - the time line I have thus far tracks with yours

I am not sure about any settlement in Feb 2024, but yes according to reporting he managed to be in a position to upgrade his living quarters.

 

[Knox]

And a fiduciary responsibility to do what's best for your shareholders.

These things can never be reconciled.

You don’t think it’s possible to both offer good healthcare coverage and give investors a solid ROI?

 

[otto]

You got it - the time line I have thus far tracks with yours

I am not sure about any settlement in Feb 2024, but yes according to reporting he managed to be in a position to upgrade his living quarters.

I wonder what he expected from the insurance industry that he did not receive?

 

[Tiff23fr]

30:11 His Attorney states his client is able to make “knowing decisions”

 

[DustysMom]

Gosh this one has me somewhat ambivalent.
On one hand I am and always will be a huge supporter of the law and LE and I am applauding them for apprehending so quickly, however on another hand I am a smidge disappointed. I can understand that this might be taboo and rub some here the wrong way and I mean no disrespect, but I am not totally surprised at the mass public reaction to this whole circus. On one hand I believe that nobody has the right to take the life of another and if they do they must face the consequences, but on another hand the whole healthcare "murdering by proxy" "eat the rich" etc... stuff is just so in your face it's hard to ignore and easy to understand. Look around both online and in your daily life and you will immediately come across someone who either them self or a loved one has been impacted by greedy healthcare issues. It's such a big issue and I hate to say it but this sort of thing was gonna happen eventually. Not just the alleged perp here but PEOPLE on a whole have had enough. Sure they don't all go out and commit murder thankfully (although many do resort to crime as a result) but it's not a surprise here that someone got pushed to the end of their own personal tether over it and took the most extreme measures.
Ugh I don't know, I just kinda get it and I hate that I feel that way. That said, I agree with the law and whatever the law hands to LM. I also agree with the people who aren't entirely condemning the act of "fighting back".
I am however hoping that this doesn't lead to any copycat attempts as not only is that wrong as a whole, unintended targets could get caught in the crossfire

Ultimately though my heart is with all the members of BT's family and friends... As well as those of LM and I'm sorry, but also LM himself... Also each and every single person who has been done over by healthcare companies... patients, staff and medical professionals alike.

Sorry if my own opinions here offend anybody, I'm struggling as I've not been this conflicted before and feel like a huge hypocrite <3

Your post is interesting and I appreciate your honesty but I respectfully, don’t understand. Please tell me what I’m missing. LM had a medical condition that worsened due to a surfing accident. He then chose to have surgery. After that, he was in so much pain he couldn’t work so he lived and surfed in Hawaii, went to California, travelled to Japan and then shot BT in the back. How is BT, the CEO of his insurance carrier, responsible for his back pain, the outcome of his surgery or his original medical condition?
IMO, anyone who is ‘happy’ about this murder (not implying you are)- or who inserts a laughing emoji in a post about BT’s funeral - is, at best misguided, or at worst, a fruit loop.

 

[MassGuy]

30:11 His Attorney states his client is able to make “knowing decisions”

Lol. I love how Burnett asked him towards the end if he could see the resemblance between his client and the photos we saw at the hostel.

Of course he didn’t answer, but it was a nice try.

I do like this attorney though. He’s not there lying his off for his client. He’s measured and diplomatic, and his answers are reasonable.

 

[sfinkz]

Here's a Banfield interview with a former inmate at Riker's, where LM will likely be held while awaiting trial. As most of us know from following these cases, it ain't a pleasant place.

It also addresses his current conditions in Pennsylvania (Huntington Prison).

Wild, befitting of a circus, not surprisingly. Was curious of conditions/rights incarcerated in Commonwealth.
First, after booking, did he place any calls? Contact lawyer himself or reconcile family? (Calls to attorneys protected, all else recorded and potential incrimination)?
Perused menu next two weeks, the three ‘hots’ don’t seem so bad, depending on chef and quality of ingredients though, admittedly, atmosphere and presentation lacking.
The ‘cot’ portion, scoring a single is a vast improvement over a shared hostel room or contoured into a bus seat but that good fortune tempered no doubt by the realization that this 6’x8’ (perhaps 8’x10’?) with a 24/7 Epstein watch is as good as it ever is gonna get and a galaxy away from the ocean view Honolulu penthouse with refreshing tradewinds.

Visitors allowed, will he remain a recluse? Access to any media or able to research his defense? Ironically, reading a lotta books and writing letters—like we all used to do back in the day—seems to be the extent for this—no doubt, brilliant and engaging—self-proclaimed 21st century pioneering thinker with clipped wings. Exercise yard, and importantly and also sadly ironic, the quality of medical care, orthopedic and mental?
One thing seems to be certain, however, as verified by Ashley’s expert guest on the clip, Gene Borrello, ex-Mafia tuff turned turncoat bearing a strong resemblance to the accused assassin.
Once extradited to Rikers, during lengthy trial and sharing an address with PDiddy and SamBFried, the ex-wonderrichboy will be paying—a boatload—for protection.
This aint Grandaddy’s country club with polite society.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

MOO (Because I'm not knowledgeable about extradition) He was denied bail because they don't want him running lose and likely because of the pending charges and extradition request from New York.

And/or because they know he now has a lot of supporters and sympathisers who would be willing to hide him and help him evade the authorities.

 

[Seattle1]

This was by a news network in Colorado but I'm seeing similar reported from across the country. I hate that this is happening to healthcare personnel anywhere. JMO

https://twitter.com/x/status/1867102119825715424

 

[OneLove]

You don’t think it’s possible to both offer good healthcare coverage and give investors a solid ROI?

How would you define "good"? Thats the issue. Insurers say "good enough" when it isnt. My medical care should NEVER EVER be subpar just so some "investor" can put more & more profit $money$ in their pockets. He'll no. Citizens of other countries with medical care that is NOT profit motivated tend to look at this as blatantly evil.

 

[Seattle1]

There are dozens of healthcare CEO’s, he could have killed Andrew Witty who is even more senior than BT so sounds like a personal thing

^^rsbm

He must have seen BT as the easiest, most accessible target. Hard to make any sense of his choice. It's like he couldn't decide whether or not to bomb NY or shoot a CEO and CEO BT won the coin toss. Sad.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Agreed. When I watched that segment you linked and had to Google what a “porcupine meatball” is I’m thinking “he’s going to miss cutting his steak with the wrong hand”. MOO

I looked them up as well. We were served them in my (UK) primary school in the 1960s where we called them "hedgehogs".

It struck me that it might be feasible to feed the US wild hog population to the US prison population.

 

[OneLove]

^^rsbm

He must have seen BT as the easiest, most accessible target. Hard to make any sense of his choice. It's like he couldn't decide whether or not to bomb NY or shoot a CEO and CEO BT won the coin toss. Sad.

I may have missed where in any of his writings and conversations he considered bombing NY? Do you have a reference for that? As far as I've been able to tell, his deep concern for US profit-driven health care issues go back in time to at least 2016; i believe someone posted a reference that he'd written of it several years before that even, about the time he would have been 16. Did he also have some beef with NYC?
ETA: And if he has access to news, after Witty's most recent remarks, Luigi may be wishing he'd chosen a different target. One championed a known to be faulty software that caused widespread suffering & deaths, the other in the wake of BT's assassination/execution stepped right up to the podium and continued to cheer on that same flawed system known to kill for more profit in investor pockets. Its really not a stretch to see why Luigi has gathered such a fan base in the glare of tone deaf corporate greed-purveyers .... Though I would never support murder of course, many people paying huge percentages of their hard earned wages look at these flawed policies & decisions as murders too.

It's important to understand how and why we are seeing such a revolt.

Decades back in my university research days, a study of revolutions down through history showed that that the bloodiest revolts occurred where the gap between the haves and have nots was the widest and where the have nots suffered the cruelest inhumanities. I never thought I'd see that in the USA but we may be closer to that edge than we're willing to see.

 

[PinkButtercup]

How would you define "good"? Thats the issue. Insurers say "good enough" when it isnt. My medical care should NEVER EVER be subpar just so some "investor" can put more & more profit $money$ in their pockets. He'll no. Citizens of other countries with medical care that is NOT profit motivated tend to look at this as blatantly evil.

Absolutely. In my culture, making vast profits at the expense of human suffering is seen as immoral.

MOO

 

[Seattle1]

I may have missed where in any of his writings and conversations he considered bombing NY? Do you have a reference for that? As far as I've been able to tell, his deep concern for US profit-driven health care issues go back in time to at least 2016; i believe someone posted a reference that he'd written of it several years before that even, about the time he would have been 16. Did he also have some beef with NYC?

Luigi Mangione wrote that he considered using a bomb in notebook, sources say

The NYPD announced Wednesday that it discovered shell casings and fingerprints that link Luigi Mangione, the suspect in UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson's murder, to the crime scene. Law enforcement sources also say Magione wrote that he considered using a bomb in the killing. CBS News' Anna...

www.cbsnews.com

Luigi Mangione’s notebook reveals chilling alleged to do list and bomb plans

UnitedHealth CEO shooting suspect allegedly opted against using a bomb, noting it ‘could kill innocents’

www.the-independent.com

 

[Jackalina]

You're right, of course, but as long as healthcare is a for-profit concern in the US, outcomes will suck.

(Not directed at you MG) If you're for profit, your goal is to spend less than you bring in. In healthcare that will inevitably mean denying as many services as possible.

I'm not convinced that this was LM's motive, but I wouldn't be surprised. Even if he didn't have personal experience with this system, given his large extended family, he had to know someone who did.

Also the sentiments on here that "his family was rich, so what did he have to worry about?" are naive.
I've mentioned before that I used to work in a hospital billing department. I regularly encountered claims for a dependent of a fairly well known film star, who had an insurance policy through some actors' union.

That illustrated for me that even the "rich" are daunted by the exorbitant health care costs in this country.

I agree with all of this. To further jump off your point on people having the sentiment of his family being rich so what did he have to worry about. Just because someone's family has wealth does not make them immune to the suffering of others. His outrage does not have to stem from his own or someone close to him having struggles with the health insurance industry.

 

[Jackalina]

If the injury occurred in Hawaii, and surgery was necessary, shouldn't he have had the surgery in Hawaii?

With elective surgery, is it more common to fly across the country for surgery to hand-picking doctors and treatment? If his surgery was elective, then does he really have a complaint?

Will he argue that the surgery should not have been elective? Was he seen by a back surgeon in Hawaii?

Hawaii resident here. I would be very reluctant to have a back surgery done here. Often times, yes people do fly to America to have all types surgery done and for cancer treatment. Healthcare here is subpar, not the fault of the doctors but of the cost of living vs what they earn here so there is a severe physician shortage. One island does not have any doctors. Why? Insurance did not want to pay the doctors $40 per office visit resulting in the office going out of business. Now the insurance company has to fly each person (plus a responsible party if needed) to either Maui or Oahu for each and every doctors visit, procedure, blooddraw, etc often times having to also cover a hotel. I wish someone could make that make sense.

 

[armchairagatha]

The chronic illnesses could also be attention seeking behavior, as this entire tragedy has been. I don’t think he’s a narcissistic, I think there are symptoms of trauma and neglect. I’m a mother. There’s literally nothing in the world my son could do that would keep me from sitting in that courtroom with him. They doesn’t mean I’d be happy, but nothing would keep me away from him, especially after he’d been missing. Nothing.

His parents seem to be very conscious of their status in society. The only word from the family so far has been the short formal note from the politician cousin. This is not a close-knit family.

 

[OneLove]

Luigi Mangione wrote that he considered using a bomb in notebook, sources say

The NYPD announced Wednesday that it discovered shell casings and fingerprints that link Luigi Mangione, the suspect in UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson's murder, to the crime scene. Law enforcement sources also say Magione wrote that he considered using a bomb in the killing. CBS News' Anna...

www.cbsnews.com

Luigi Mangione’s notebook reveals chilling alleged to do list and bomb plans

UnitedHealth CEO shooting suspect allegedly opted against using a bomb, noting it ‘could kill innocents’

www.the-independent.com

I see. So you are saying that it was NOT a toss up, as though "he couldn't decide". That he would not have hurt innocent people by using a bomb. Good. I thought for a minute you believed it was a "toss up" in his mind. Its amazing how words can be so misconstrued. And thanks for your clarification and setting the record straight. Whew.