NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown.

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Generalizing- anywhere there are tall buildings in NYC, GPS on your phone and car is wonky. Also inside buildings you are typically out of luck. It may be difficult to locate the e bike outside of central park.
RSBM - this is one of the reasons they could not catch LISK - he called from midtown manhattan and they were not able to trace the cell signal due to how busy it is in that area all the time.

CitiBike tracking seems like a promising lead as I'm pretty sure you need an app to unlock the bike, unless he stole it from a bystander who had unlocked it under their own account.

Didn't the police say in the presser that a phone was recovered in the alley? Might be easier to locate this guy than we think.
 
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RSBM - this is one of the reasons they could not catch LISK - he called from midtown manhattan and they were not able to trace the cell signal due to how busy it is in that area all the time.

CitiBike tracking seems like a promising lead as I'm pretty sure you need an app to unlock the bike, unless he stole it from a bystander who had unlocked it under their own account.

Didn't the police say in the presser that a phone was recovered in the alley? Might be easier to locate this guy than we think.
This is why I am wondering about the statement "Well Planned" police are using.

May have dropped his phone, may have paid for an e bike....

I am not seeing it and I expect him to be in custody later today.
 
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Ghost gun?
ETA Probably why it jammed.
 
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I suspect the shooter was a relative of a patient who died who blames United Healthcare for denying a service.

Although there is no evidence of that at this time, this is a not uncommon occurrence. Hospital and doctor's office shootings are well documented with similar motives.
I wholeheartedly agree! Was coming to post same.
 
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I am leaning towards a paid hit. The execution slightly resembles me of the 2006 Moscow assassination of the Far East Governor Tzvetkov. That was over licences for industrial fishing activities or something like that, but the assassin was just waiting behind a newspaper stand across a very busy street and shot across the street with multiple pedestrians. I can imagine that Midtown New York presents the same kind of problem due to people around. I would like to know how good of a marksman the shooter was (how closely cropped were the shots.) The closer, the higher the chance that it was a professional. The victim being the part of the probe seems a valid reason to me. A disgruntled client would be more desperate and won’t follow the victim to NYC, it seems. Also, the assassin looks young (quite flexible). I’d expect an unhappy patient to be from a little bit older age group, although it could be a very young parent. But something prompts a professional hit. Also: a CEO of a medical insurance company is a natural target, but if it is over a personal case (denied treatment), I’d expect the victim more likely to be the person signing the last denial of appeal letter. He’d become the personal enemy.
I am leaning towards a paid hit, as well.

One item, though, seems odd for a professional. If I heard correctly, live rounds were found at the scene as well as casings. Am I incorrect?

That appears to either be sloppy or a signature.

Still, seems to be more likely a paid hit than disgruntled individual.
 
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This is why I am wondering about the statement "Well Planned" police are using.

May have dropped his phone, may have paid for an e bike....

I am not seeing it and I expect him to be in custody later today.
Well planned doesn't mean well executed (apparently dropping his phone).

He knew where this guy was going to be, and knew when he was going to be there. He was disguised, and equipped with a silenced pistol that he knew how to use (calmly clearing those jams). He had an escape plan in place, crossing the road, entering an alley, and ultimately taking off on an electric bike.

To me, this is the very definition of well planned. Remarkably brazen and stupid, but he had this all gamed out.
 
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I am leaning towards a paid hit, as well.

One item, though, seems odd for a professional. If I heard correctly, live rounds were found at the scene as well as casings. Am I incorrect?

That appears to either be sloppy or a signature.

Still, seems to be more likely a paid hit than disgruntled individual.
or a disgruntled individual who hired a paid hitman....which I'm leaning to.
 
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Ghost gun?
ETA Probably why it jammed.
The gun is "jamming" in my opinion because of the silencer, which reduces the blowback to cycle the gun. Notice in the video, the shooter has to manually cycle the gun after each shot and is not surprised to have to do so. After the second or third short, the round does not eject smoothly and recycle requires a second cycle, but the shooter is not flustered. This person knows what they are doing. They are also not concerned about leaving shell casings behind. So this shooter has reason to believe this gun and ammo will not be traced back to them (or doesn't care). This shooter knew what they were doing.
 
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Well planned doesn't mean well executed (apparently dropping his phone).

He knew where this guy was going to be, and knew when he was going to be there. He was disguised, and equipped with a silenced pistol that he knew how to use (calmly clearing those jams). He had an escape plan in place, crossing the road, entering an alley, and ultimately taking off on an electric bike.

To me, this is the very definition of well planned. Remarkably brazen and stupid, but he had this all gamed out.
We shall see, maybe not giving him enough credit.

The backpack obviously is for the clothing exchange he did, and he seemed to know within minutes when Mr. Thompson was arriving, which was more than an hour before he was scheduled to speak; this could be luck however.
 
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UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson was accused of insider trading and fraud before he was assassinated on Wednesday in Manhattan..

Last year the DoJ launched a probe into whether the private company of the nation's biggest insurer, led by Thompson, was unfairly restricting competitors and running a monopoly.

In May, the City of Hollywood Firefighters’ Pension Fund initiated a complaint against Thompson and other executives, accusing the CEO of failing to tell investors about the federal probe before he unloaded over 31 percent of his stock, taking in $15.1 million in proceeds.

In legal documents, the fund said Thompson and other company execs sold over $117 million worth of UnitedHealth common stock during the four-month period when insiders knew about the federal antitrust investigation but the public did not.

The California Public Employees’ Retirement System, America's largest state public pension fund, then joined that complaint in October and filed an amendment seeking a jury trial against the UnitedHealth execs including Thompson.

 
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Just watched the video of the shooting. Definitely a professional hit man. Cool as a cucumber. Did they get a hold of the witness who ran from the scene?
 
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One item, though, seems odd for a professional. If I heard correctly, live rounds were found at the scene as well as casings. Am I incorrect?

That appears to either be sloppy or a signature.
Though I understand your reasoning, it was likely not sloppy.

The murderer's gun jammed. Clearing a jam usually involves "racking" the slide at some point in an attempt to seat partially fed cartridges, or to fully eject a cartridge still partially in the pistol.

The end result is that it is common for a live round or two- or three (if done fast and under stress) to be ejected when clearing a jammed pistol.
 
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UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson was accused of insider trading and fraud before he was assassinated on Wednesday in Manhattan..

Last year the DoJ launched a probe into whether the private company of the nation's biggest insurer, led by Thompson, was unfairly restricting competitors and running a monopoly.

There may have been vested interests that didn’t want him to be probed depending on what else might come out. Seems like a killing where big money was involved, thus requiring a professional hit away from his home turf. Not a disgruntled patient or family turned away by UHC. No, this was more personal to Thompson even if it involved his business dealings. JMO.
 
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I'm leaning towards this being a lone, disgruntled individual, as opposed to some sort of paid hit. This Hollywood idea of a "professional hitman," is pretty much a myth. In reality it's one guy asking someone he knows (or someone they know) to carry out a murder, and they tend to be really sloppy. The point is to generate distance between the person who wants someone dead, and the victim.

It's not like you can just call a professional hitman on the phone, or find one on the internet (it always cracks me up when morons solicit hits from the dark web and just wind up getting scammed).

Yes, it's possible that someone hired someone that had military experience or something, but that's different from someone who does this sort of thing for a living.
 
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