PLEA DEAL REACHED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #109

[10ofRods]

DBM. Wrong thread!

 

[Seattle1]

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[Gemmie]

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JMO on ~16:00 in on the video you posted... GH is wondering if that's Maddie, but then why not mention KG or EC, etc. He also mentioned maybe it's MM the DDD. The latter is what I think, since MM the DDD, XK and BK all have a direct link. Especially with XK since it was her food that MM delivered.


JMO

 

[Ghostwheel]

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The comments are often the best part....

 

[AcerPacer]

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It confuses me why DDD calls him by only his 1st name...
LE is talking about her being in custody, what happens next rah rah and she pipes up from nowhere with "I gotta testify against Bryan..." As if he were someone she/they both know well!?
I think she does that both in the car and in the interview room too!?

I'd have said "I gotta testify against that absolute bleeping bleep Kohberger..."

EBM spelling

 

[AcerPacer]

It confuses me why DDD calls him by only his 1st name...
LE is talking about her being in custody, what happens next rah rah and she pipes up from nowhere with "I gotta testify against Bryan..." As if he were someone she/they both know well!?
I think she does that both in the car and in the interview room too!?

I'd have said "I gotta testify against that absolute bleeping bleep Kohberger..."

EBM spelling

 

[SteveP]

JMO on ~16:00 in on the video you posted... GH is wondering if that's Maddie, but then why not mention KG or EC, etc. He also mentioned maybe it's MM the DDD. The latter is what I think, since MM the DDD, XK and BK all have a direct link. Especially with XK since it was her food that MM delivered.
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JMO

...and yes, to answer Gray's question, there is another place in the court docs where the Door Dash driver is specifically referred to as 'MM' I knew that I had seen it, but poster @PunishThenForgive was kind enough to find it for me so that it could be linked in a post a short while ago. Here it is again, screenshot on page 13 of the court doc linked immediately below.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/032425-Defendants-Reply-States-Response-Defs-MIL2-RE-Vague-Undisclosed-Expert-Testimony.pdf

 

[Arkay]

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<modsnip>

This clip of Entin reading the report while sitting around casually at home was informative to me, as I’m still behind on the DD driver part.

I wasn’t sure if or why the DD driver, MM, had not notified LE that she was the driver as soon as she found out about the murders.

As Brian Entin is reading the police report aloud, it seems as though she told the police who she was relative to this case, but my impression was that it was to show the police that she was a person who had significant information and not just someone on medication and acting disorderly.

However, I realize that it could be inferred that she had in fact already met with LE, as she stated that she was to testify at trial.

If that’s the case then she has more credibility, IMO, than if this was the first time she told any LE about her proximity to this crime scene.

I’ve had to skim through many posts and I understand this likely has already been thoroughly dissected here.

Will someone more informed than I please clue me in?

Thanks to all who are keeping up better than I am right now.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

It confuses me why DDD calls him by only his 1st name...
LE is talking about her being in custody, what happens next rah rah and she pipes up from nowhere with "I gotta testify against Bryan..." As if he were someone she/they both know well!?
I think she does that both in the car and in the interview room too!?

I'd have said "I gotta testify against that absolute bleeping bleep Kohberger..."

EBM spelling

The way the DD young woman says 'Bryan' it's like she knew him or was familiar with him.

I suppose we'd have heard about it by now if there was any type of prior knowledge of him to her?

JMO MOO

 

[SteveP]

The way the DD young woman says 'Bryan' it's like she knew him or was familiar with him.

I suppose we'd have heard about it by now if there was any type of prior knowledge of him to her?

JMO MOO

I really didn't read too much into her calling him 'Bryan'. I think almost anyone in the Moscow/Pullman area, and especially any LEO, would pretty quickly understand who 'Bryan' was when she said she was going to have to testify against him in the case of the college girls' murders. I do not sense that she had any familiarity with him, and maybe just could not think of his last name in the moment. FWIW, the defense stated that there was no connection between the two of them, (not that I would expect them to say anything other than that). JMO

 

[AcerPacer]

I really didn't read too much into her calling him 'Bryan'. I think almost anyone in the Moscow/Pullman area, and especially any LEO, would pretty quickly understand who 'Bryan' was when she said she was going to have to testify against him in the case of the college girls' murders. I do not sense that she had any familiarity with him, and maybe just could not think of his last name in the moment. FWIW, the defense stated that there was no connection between the two of them, (not that I would expect them to say anything other than that). JMO

Did you watch the Gray Hughes video? If not, its more an audio than video at the beginning, MM (DDD) is in the back of the car and LE lady driving and explaining what's happening next ..
From nowhere and without prompt, MM mentions "Bryan" ..I just find that a bit odd that they weren't discussing anything to do with the murders and she says only his 1st name like that. I completely get you that most everyone in the area knows of the case, and maybe she had forgotten his surname (being drunk an all) , wouldn't you perhaps say "I gotta testify in the big murder case" ?

 

[PinkParis2052]

<modsnip>

This clip of Entin reading the report while sitting around casually at home was informative to me, as I’m still behind on the DD driver part.

I wasn’t sure if or why the DD driver, MM, had not notified LE that she was the driver as soon as she found out about the murders.

As Brian Entin is reading the police report aloud, it seems as though she told the police who she was relative to this case, but my impression was that it was to show the police that she was a person who had significant information and not just someone on medication and acting disorderly.

However, I realize that it could be inferred that she had in fact already met with LE, as she stated that she was to testify at trial.

If that’s the case then she has more credibility, IMO, than if this was the first time she told any LE about her proximity to this crime scene.

I’ve had to skim through many posts and I understand this likely has already been thoroughly dissected here.

Will someone more informed than I please clue me in?

Thanks to all who are keeping up better than I am right now.

This is a screenshot of the PCA from Moscow PD from Dec 29, 2022.

Based on the PCA, it's clear that the Door Dash Driver has spoken with Moscow PD or some LE that was involved in the investigation.

"This is with the exception of Kenrodle, who received a DoorDash order at the residence at approximately 4:00 a"n (law enforcement identified the DoorDash delivery driver who reported this information)."

Source:Affidavit on page 3.




Sorry if this has already been addressed.

 

[SteveP]

Did you watch the Gray Hughes video? If not, its more an audio than video at the beginning, MM (DDD) is in the back of the car and LE lady driving and explaining what's happening next ..
From nowhere and without prompt, MM mentions "Bryan" ..I just find that a bit odd that they weren't discussing anything to do with the murders and she says only his 1st name like that. I completely get you that most everyone in the area knows of the case, and maybe she had forgotten his surname (being drunk an all) , wouldn't you perhaps say "I gotta testify in the big murder case" ?

Oh definitely, I am not disputing that it was odd just to bring him up. She was clearly impaired, and and I think Bryan was just brought up, spur of the moment, in hopes of garnering sympathy and hopefully weasling her way out of a DUI, but why she started as she did, who knows...again, impairment is all I can suggest. JMO

 

[gremlin444]

JMO on ~16:00 in on the video you posted... GH is wondering if that's Maddie, but then why not mention KG or EC, etc. He also mentioned maybe it's MM the DDD. The latter is what I think, since MM the DDD, XK and BK all have a direct link. Especially with XK since it was her food that MM delivered.
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Even though Gray has the right document up, he doesn't look any further in it to get the answer.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/032425-States+Reply+to+Defendants+Objection+to+MIL+RE+Self+Authentication+of+Records.pdf

item 45: T-Mobile records for KG, DM
item 51: Verizon records for EC, BF, and JD (KG's ex who both KG and MM were calling/texting before they went to bed)

There are no other phone company records in that 60 item list. In order for the #5 MM to be the Doordash driver and not Maddie, that would have to mean that somehow Maddie's phone records aren't being brought in as evidence...which is not likely.

 

[snooptroop88]

It will be a little rich, IMO, for the defense to go too hard on the DD driver when their own client has a history of heroin addiction.

Exactly. Maybe D should do some mitigation for the DD driver once they're through pummeling her.

SO ironic, great point.

 

[Ghostwheel]

Even though Gray has the right document up, he doesn't look any further in it to get the answer.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/032425-States+Reply+to+Defendants+Objection+to+MIL+RE+Self+Authentication+of+Records.pdf

item 45: T-Mobile records for KG, DM
item 51: Verizon records for EC, BF, and JD (KG's ex who both KG and MM were calling/texting before they went to bed)

There are no other phone company records in that 60 item list. In order for the #5 MM to be the Doordash driver and not Maddie, that would have to mean that somehow Maddie's phone records aren't being brought in as evidence...which is not likely.

That doesn't make sense to me(BBM). Help me understand. Why would Maddies phone records have to be in the self authenticating list? Why might they not have a person explaining them for some reason?

 

[Seattle1]

I wasn’t sure if or why the DD driver, MM, had not notified LE that she was the driver as soon as she found out about the murders.

As Brian Entin is reading the police report aloud, it seems as though she told the police who she was relative to this case, but my impression was that it was to show the police that she was a person who had significant information and not just someone on medication and acting disorderly.

However, I realize that it could be inferred that she had in fact already met with LE, as she stated that she was to testify at trial.

MM's DUI stop and the subject video recording at the PD occurred sometime in 2024. To be clear, DoorDash delivery at 4AM is referenced in the 2022 PCA (pg 3/18) and further states that "law enforcement identified the DD delivery driver who reported this information"

I think it's safe to assume that law enforcement took a statement from MM prior to the PCA date of 12/29/22, and this information has long been discovered to the defense.

Given MM's early witness statement is unknown, I'm unwilling to opine on any statements recorded two years later after an unrelated stop under completely different circumstances! JMO

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR29-22-2805/122922+Affidavit+-+Exhibit+A+-+Statement+of+Brett-Payne.pdf

 

[gremlin444]

That doesn't make sense to me(BBM). Help me understand. Why would Maddies phone records have to be in the self authenticating list? Why might they not have a person explaining them for some reason?

My point is that if Gray had read further, he would have seen why that has to be Maddie's phone, not the Door Dash driver's.

The self authenticating isn't in regards to explaining the records--it's about how do we prove the records are real. In that filing, we have the legal documents from each of the providers of this information that swear the information is authentic--this should be proof enough. Or, is the defense going to insist that we have to have a representative from AT&T, Verizon, or T-Mobile (or any of the other items in that list like security footage from Costco, the foodtruck footage, etc) come to the trial, get up on the stand for all of 30 seconds to say swear in and then say, 'Yes, I am Ugga Bugga, I'm the legal records representative for AT&T, and yes, I testify under oath that those records that you are presenting to the court are the true and complete records of those people that we gave to the investigators'?"

If you watched the Murdaugh trial, you saw this. The defense there refused to stipulate to anything, so for every single record being brought in to the trial, the prosecution had to first have a representative from the company come to the trial and say something like what I quoted above. Then SLED agent or other LE could the proceed to testify as to what those records meant.

Things like phone records, security footage from stores, security footage from the 2 apartments that are run by property management companies, those all have to have some form of authentication and that is done by the forms you see in that document. Security footage from some of the nearby homes (that we see listed in the Make and Model document that gives the address and times the car was spotted at, Gray uses that info to make all his videos about mapping BK's path) isn't in this list of 60 things...and that's because that is coming from private citizens not entities with legal custodians of records.

So, ALL phone records have to be authenticated either by these documents or by having a rep from each company come to the trial (which, AT&T will probably have to be ready to come there anyway in case Anne manages to sneak in the argument over the 7 day availability for timing advance records being why they don't have them for BK). That means ANY phone records that are going to be used at trial MUST be on this list.

The only phone records listed in the 60 items are:

Item 5: AT&T for BK, XK, and a MM
Item 45: T-Mobile records for KG, DM
item 51: Verizon records for EC, BF, and JD (KG's ex who both KG and MM were calling/texting before they went to bed)

That means our options for what MM stands for are:
--the MM is Maddie Mogen....which means that we have listed the phone records of the accused, all 5 roommates, Ethan, and KG's ex JD (and his are in because MM & KG were both calling and texting him that night).
--or the MM is the Doordash driver, which means that since there is no other phone record listed in that court filing that is phone records for another MM, Maddie's phone records aren't being used at trial

Number 2 seems EXTREMELY unlikely. Maddie's phone records are far more important than the Doordash driver's---esp since the DD driver's communications are going to be going through the app, not her personal texts, and will come in that way (Door Dash's records are item 16).

As long as the defense accepts these certificates of authenticity, we can cut right to the chase during trial and FBI Agent Ballance can then begin his testimony explaining them.

Further proof outside of the document Gray is talking about:

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/042425+Order+on+Defendants+Motion+in+Limine+RE+Vague+and+Undisclosed+Expert+Testimony.pdf

"FBI Special Agent Ballance was primarily involved in the analysis ofc ell phone records in the investigation. He is disclosed to testify in the State's case-in-chief about his analysis of AT&T cell phone records for Defendant, Madison Mogen and Xana Kernodle, as well as his own drive testing measurements to determine the use and general location of their cell phones between June 2022 and November 2022."

 

[gremlin444]

Noticed a footnote I must have skipped reading the first time just now when I was going over the Court Order on Def. MIL for expert testimony for the post above.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/042425+Order+on+Defendants+Motion+in+Limine+RE+Vague+and+Undisclosed+Expert+Testimony.pdf

It's about Jennie Ayers, a forensic scientist for the ISP. She is going to testify about crime scene processing, explain what DNA is, where it may be present, how it is collected and sent for testing. She will also testify about her work in the case including how ISP processed BK's apartment and office. She will also be providing rebuttal about how the ISP specifically processed the crime scene.

"The disclosure discusses why the team focused on certain areas of the home as opposed to others, why they decided not to collect mattresses and bed frames and why they swabbed and/or applied amido black where they did."

Looking forward to hearing it. It should put to rest some some arguments.