PLEA DEAL REACHED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #110

[pittsburghgirl]

Typically, if you are sentenced to Death, you are confined to your cell 23hrs (or so) , per day, given an hour alone in the “yard”, eat your meals in your cell, housed in a separate cell area, away from general population.
With Death off the table, he will possibly/probably be able to join the other inmates on the outdoor area to play basketball, socialize, eat in the cafeteria, etc etc., have a prison job, etc.
Not being sentenced to Death, Kohlberger will probably be able to join these types of activities, if he wishes. And live a more leisurely life in prison. Some sociopaths thrive in this structured setting.

I understand this logic. Death row is a terrible, inhumane place. And being in the general prison population is a more humane environment. That said, give some thought to who he will be "socializing" with, if he is even capable of that kind of interaction. I don't think prison can be described as "leisurely," if you are under the control of guards 24/7. I don't think prison is an environment for "thriving," if stone cold killers can "thrive."

 

[Errrr]

Part of the plea deal better have included him at least sitting down a giving the details and answering every question investigators have for him. If not, the prosecution gets zero out of the deal and in my opinion they were holding every card.
I understand he may not allocute in open court, but I expect a full confession.
I also expect him to have to sit and listen to victim impact statement though the people affected haven’t got much time to put this together.

Having to sit and listen to victim impact statements is t going to affect a guy like that. If he fears boredom, there will be a lifetime of it ahead. In fact, that will probably get him talking about his crimes in the future.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

What up with the DA? Justice involves BK being shot to death before the families. A merciful death compared to the 4 he dealt others.
Is this a financial decision to aave tax payer money? Asl the tax payers then, with a vote.

According to this article in the Spokesman-Review (based on reporting by the Idaho Statesman, which may be behind a firewall):

Kohberger’s attorneys approached the Latah County Prosecutor’s Office earlier this month about a plea deal, ABC News reported. After meeting with family members who were available last week, the office made a formal offer to Kohberger.

Latah County Prosecuting Attorney Bill Thompson called the agreement their “sincere attempt to seek justice” in the letter distributed to family members, according to a copy obtained by the Idaho Statesman.

“We cannot fathom the toll that this case has taken on your family,” Thompson wrote in the letter. “This resolution is our sincere attempt to seek justice for your family. This agreement ensures that the defendant will be convicted, will spend the rest of his life in prison, and will not be able to put you and the other families through the uncertainty of decades of post-conviction appeals.”

 

[Jw192]

What up with the DA? Justice involves BK being shot to death before the families. A merciful death compared to the 4 he dealt others.
Is this a financial decision to aave tax payer money? Asl the tax payers then, with a vote.

It's up in the air atm as to whether defense asked for the deal (I think they did) or it was offered.
Judge is gonna rule on it tomorrow at 11 Idaho time, and it's more than likely going to be accepted.
Who knows why the prosecution agreed to it when it seems like they have enough evidence to certainly get a guilty verdict and most likely a DP jurors vote. Maybe it's financial (I don't believe it is), maybe it's to save the families the time and trauma of a very long drawn out trial, appeal process after appeal process, or maybe it's because of the possibility that one of the jurors could hoodwink their way onto the panel and derail the lot. Plus we've all seen what can happen nowadays, take Lucy Letby and Richard Allen for example. Both guilty as sin, but both have armies of gullible people or contrarians who scream from the rooftops how innocent they are.

Who knows? I personally am not fully on board with it, partly because I can't imagine how the families feel, partly because I absolutely can't stand that creepburger and selfishly, I wanted to watch the trial Butttttt, I do understand why the prosecution has accepted the plea deal. He will never breathe free air again, hopefully never be able to profit from the crime and more importantly, he will never ever be able to butcher another kid in their bed.

 

[sunshineray]

Typically, if you are sentenced to Death, you are confined to your cell 23hrs (or so) , per day, given an hour alone in the “yard”, eat your meals in your cell, housed in a separate cell area, away from general population.
With Death off the table, he will possibly/probably be able to join the other inmates on the outdoor area to play basketball, socialize, eat in the cafeteria, etc etc., have a prison job, etc.
Not being sentenced to Death, Kohlberger will probably be able to join these types of activities, if he wishes. And live a more leisurely life in prison. Some sociopaths thrive in this structured setting.

Yeah Dahmer did until someone killed him at his "job".

 

[minazoe]

look as far as I'm concerned, Kohberger was bored and couldn't get la$@. He wanted to feel the thrill of the kill and so he decided to act on his big fantasy and kill the objects of all his resentments.

he'll say he drove around and finally he acted on his urges.

everyone will feel like he let the air out of all the tires. he's no great mastermind, just a run of the mill idiot.

mOO

 

[NuttMegg]

my hope is that it comes with a full confession. Not just a quiet “guilty” in a courtroom, but actual answers. The truth. The timeline. The motive. The “why” that haunts so many of us.

A confession could finally give the families something solid. It wouldn’t heal everything, but it might help them breathe a little easier knowing what really happened that night.

If Kohberger pleads out just to avoid the death penalty without having to say what he did and why, it would feel hollow. Almost like he’s still controlling the narrative. These families deserve to hear the truth from his mouth, in his own words.

I understand plea deals can spare families the anguish of a trial, but truth is part of justice too. I just hope the prosecution pushes for that in any agreement.

Get ready for disappointment. All those facts will be so ego smoothing if left to dribble out through deals with authors. Sure he probably can't financially, directly benefit off books, but geez, think of how long that feeling of conquest, importance can bounce around inside the brain of a freak like BK.

 

[Fleur-de-lis]

Well, this started off strangely, with Moscow LE saying for quite some time that there was no "active threat" to the community, and how they thought that I will never understand, and IMO it's ending weirdly. My best guess is BK will just have to say he's guilty and understands he's pleading guilty. Literally, ending "not with a BANG (of the firing squad) but with a whimper (BK's disgusting self)." MOO

 

[Jw192]

look as far as I'm concerned, Kohberger was bored and couldn't get la$@. He wanted to feel the thrill of the kill and so he decided to act on his big fantasy and kill the objects of all his resentments.

he'll say he drove around and finally he acted on his urges.

everyone will feel like he let the air out of all the tires. he's no great mastermind, just a run of the mill idiot.

mOO

BAM

He's a ten a penny. Has absolutely zero to offer any forensic psych/criminologist/behavioural analysts or LE that they don't already know about these freaks. He's nothing special.

 

[Deleted member 291279]

Yeah Dahmer did until someone killed him at his "jo

Exactly! But what will happen in the future in states without the death penalty? Chris Watts confessed to avoid the death penalty, and BK appears to be pleading guilty for the same reason.

Without the death penalty, what will prevent another man who is young and attractive (to at least a slice of the population) from committing a heinous act in the future, then count on a large SM following to heighten his chance of getting away with it at trial? Why would such a man ever plead guilty, regardless of the evidence against him or the pleas of his family to confess to save his "soul"?

IMO

What will happen? A 2009 study published in the Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology, “Do Executions Lower Homicide Rates?: The Views of Leading Criminologists,” found that an overwhelming majority of leading criminologists in the U.S. do not believe the death penalty deters murder. The study found that 88% did not believe that the death penalty is a proven deterrent to homicide and that 87% believe that abolition of the death penalty would not have any significant effect on murder rates.

 

[Justice101]

My heart aches for the victim's families. Get him sentenced and (some small measure) of healing can happen.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

It's up in the air atm as to whether defense asked for the deal (I think they did) or it was offered.
Judge is gonna rule on it tomorrow at 11 Idaho time, and it's more than likely going to be accepted.
Who knows why the prosecution agreed to it when it seems like they have enough evidence to certainly get a guilty verdict and most likely a DP jurors vote. Maybe it's financial (I don't believe it is), maybe it's to save the families the time and trauma of a very long drawn out trial, appeal process after appeal process, or maybe it's because of the possibility that one of the jurors could hoodwink their way onto the panel and derail the lot. Plus we've all seen what can happen nowadays, take Lucy Letby and Richard Allen for example. Both guilty as sin, but both have armies of gullible people or contrarians who scream from the rooftops how innocent they are.

Who knows? I personally am not fully on board with it, partly because I can't imagine how the families feel, partly because I absolutely can't stand that creepburger and selfishly, I wanted to watch the trial Butttttt, I do understand why the prosecution has accepted the plea deal. He will never breathe free air again, hopefully never be able to profit from the crime and more importantly, he will never ever be able to butcher another kid in their bed.

According to ABC news:

Prosecutors said in the letter to families that the state was approached last week by Kohberger's defense team asking to be presented with an offer. Prosecutors said they then met with available family members last week, "weighed the right path forward and made a formal offer" to Kohberger.

Source: Bryan Kohberger agrees to plead guilty to all counts in Idaho college murders case: Letter from prosecutors

(both quotes BBM)

 

[Jw192]

BBM

According to ABC news:

Source: Bryan Kohberger agrees to plead guilty to all counts in Idaho college murders case: Letter from prosecutors

Thank you! I was sure I saw that it was the defense who began the plea ball rolling but couldn't find a source

 

[AngTxGal]

This. I understand how badly everyone wants full justice. I was looking forward to the firing squad for him. But the thing is, some of the families are making it sound as though there was no way a jury could be hung and have to go through another trial. Or that they would convict and then someone would vote against the death penalty. In other words, The anger being voiced is as though there was no possible way for anything but a guilty and death penalty verdict and that is simply absolutely not so.

Again, social media has turned everything on its head. For every case where the juries follow instructions and give a just verdict, you can have people who come on with an agenda. This way, there is no chance for that happening plus those poor roommates don't have to go through being victimized and re-traumatized.

Agree, social media is a factor, as is his background in criminal justice, and that it is four murders.
To many close to the case or having followed it- this feels like a slam dunk but would it be?
A jury trial isn’t a sure thing- their thoughts that a jury would convict and be ok with the death penalty could be correct, or not.

We are hearing from Goncalves and not the attorney of the family, and while they are still processing.

I am hoping that once the families process what this may mean they will feel justice has been served. There are so many things that could be traumatizing in a trial, and a verdict, and an appeals process. If the families had been involved maybe they wouldn’t feel blind-sided. The problem is this info has come out to the media. Should it have?

With the plea BK will have confessed, and will spend the rest of his life behind bars. It seems he will be put away… but things change.

I have mixed feelings about this plea vs a trial, and the death penalty. Sure it would seem a firing squad is deserved- but if that is 40 years from now then what has that accomplished?

IMO

 

[AngTxGal]

Mr. G said--- "lead with kindness & respect."

@QB2022 sbm bbm above
Thx for your post quoting Mr Goncalves' ^ stmt.

Respect???
Mr. G seems to openly be soliciting ppl to urge the presiding judge to make decisions and rulings based on information not presented in party's motions, briefs, or in the courtroom.
If anyone supporting BK had been doing the same, Mr. G. would be raising hell imo.
ICBW, jmo.


A secondary point --- Spreading Judge H's Phone Number

From Mr G's stmt: "The number available online for the Honorable Steven Hippler is 208 -XXXX" <-My redaction here and in ^ post.
Spreading Judge H's Phone Number?
Okay, it's a publicly avail. number online, but ---
seems Mr. G is advocating that ppl contact the judge and ignore our criminal justice system's legally imposed procedures.

To me, it is these actions by this family that may have caused the court to not give them more notice.
It is the state vs Kohberger and not the families vs Kohberger. They can still sue him in civil court.

Everyone was gearing up for a trail (reporters and true crime followers) and now it seems a let down. But is it better this way?
I don’t know, in time maybe we will know.

We have remember there are survivors who would need to testify in court in front of the man that killed their friends while they were in the house. That reality is horrific. I cannot imagine that fear
Moving on will be the toughest for those young ladies who were in the house, and the young man and woman who came to the house- they will have a lifetime figuring out how to face that fear.

IMO
Am I ‘let down’ by the fact that there is no trial?
NO, I’m not a true crime entertained adult- I’m the mom of two college students

 

[NavySubMom]

I understand this logic. Death row is a terrible, inhumane place. And being in the general prison population is a more humane environment. That said, give some thought to who he will be "socializing" with, if he is even capable of that kind of interaction. I don't think prison can be described as "leisurely," if you are under the control of guards 24/7. I don't think prison is an environment for "thriving," if stone cold killers can "thrive."

Actually, I believe some prisoners actually do survive better in jail, with the structured environment, versus being able to roam freely amongst society; left to their own devices, they cannot hold down jobs, have no money, no food. no place to live —therefore they commit crimes to survive. Sociopaths. Some people, like those who commit numerous crimes, recidivism types,

“Thrive” is not the correct word, I guess
Maybe they “better survive” , with all their basic needs being met , for however long their sentences are, then they get out of prison, go back to committing crimes, end up back in prison, ad nauseum.

Not that they will like it in prison, they are in there for a reason, but wake-up time, meal times (3 “meals” ) , yard time (socialization), visitors, bed time, etc etc, some criminals cannot function normally with the rest of us.
And either they feel entitled to “take” what they want/need from others, or just enjoy the thrill of committing crime, or a host of other reasons.
I’m more talking about repeat offenders, who end up in jail two/three/four times,
we cannot fathom the minds of these kinds of criminals ,

 

[bestill]

I think a plea deal is the only way we'd ever find out the answers to those questions about what he was thinking (if the answers can be trusted). He wouldn't be able to talk about it during decades of appeals.
JMO

Great point!

I'm also in the "he'll plead guilty and offer up no details or anything" camp. But I have a strong feeling he'll do a sitdown interview someday like Lori Vallow has.

Agree with this. He will hide behind his attorney as long he can, I don't believe he's say anything other than what he has to say. I also believe at some point he's going to want attention and will try to revive this. It will be a while but I forsee that happening.

I am curious about what his family will do once this is all over.

All JMO

 

[Deleted member 291279]

my hope is that it comes with a full confession. Not just a quiet “guilty” in a courtroom, but actual answers. The truth. The timeline. The motive. The “why” that haunts so many of us.

A confession could finally give the families something solid. It wouldn’t heal everything, but it might help them breathe a little easier knowing what really happened that night.

If Kohberger pleads out just to avoid the death penalty without having to say what he did and why, it would feel hollow. Almost like he’s still controlling the narrative. These families deserve to hear the truth from his mouth, in his own words.

I understand plea deals can spare families the anguish of a trial, but truth is part of justice too. I just hope the prosecution pushes for that in any agreement.

Look, defendants have rights guaranteed to them by the Constitution. These families deserve to hear the truth from his mouth. They may think they deserve it, but in fact, they don't. If I were a family member I would certainly want to hear the truth from his mouth, however, family members may think they deserve it, but in fact, they don't, at least not from the court system.

 

[MeadowMuffin]

Nothing confirmed, but it appears that Kohberger will not have to allocute.

Our only hope may be that he sat down prior to the deal being agreed to and answered questions.

This is the worst news I have heard.

 

[gremlin444]

I keep seeing Steve Goncalves saying the U of I wrote a book about the murders. Am I blanking out about this, because I'm not remember this at all and not finding anything.