PLEA DEAL REACHED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #110

[girlhasnoname]

Full Ramsland interview.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1940259050719257036

I think the good Dr. R is capitalizing on her association with BK as much as possible. Her reaching out to BK's family after his arrest, staying in contact and now making the media circuit rounds.

A lot of publicity for her, which I think she's enjoying to be honest. The whole relationship with BK seems suspect to me. <shrug>

JMO

 

[PunishThenForgive]

I said it a dozen times before:

A DEATH PENALTY'S lawyer's job is to keep their client off of DR. This often happens near trial after the DP attorneys bend over backwards to make a case for their client, and try to get the worse evidence thrown out, like the DNA for example.

AT can not accuse other perpetrators of the murders because of no evidence and it would completely ruin their lives.
A good defense team - AT and all of them - level with their client on the overwhelming evidence against him/her and would prefer a guilty plea and not a death sentence.

I am not surprised. AT is good and did everything she could but hey, she ran out of options. A moony starry night in the middle of heavy fog?

I knew then it was over.

2 Cents

I wish AT had been even better and convinced her client to plead guilty far sooner—he actually committed the crimes! By refusing to confess, BK forced AT to waste so much effort and tax-payer dollars. That may not have been an option, though, if the prosecution had not yet offered a plea deal that took the death penalty off the table.

IMO

 

[GA_Peach]

Does anyone worry that BK will get "cold feet" over this plea and decide not to accept it before his sentencing? And then uses this whole situation to say that it has been prejudicial to his case. And use this as a delay tactic for his trial. While I do agree that a guaranteed verdict with no chance of appeals is the best outcome, there's something about this that doesn't feel right. I can't exactly put my finger on it, but my gut is telling me that we have several twists and turns ahead of us.

 

[AngTxGal]

I think the good Dr. R is capitalizing on her association with BK as much as possible. Her reaching out to BK's family after his arrest, staying in contact and now making the media circuit rounds.

A lot of publicity for her, which I think she's enjoying to be honest. The whole relationship with BK seems suspect to me. <shrug>

JMO

Interesting take, but I don’t see DrRs involvement as suspect.
The study of such criminals is her life work- she would be involved even if she didn’t have connections with BK. She isn’t inserting herself- she is in the thick of it.
How could she not have questions about her interactions with him?
We have to realize in some ways she was duped, or used, or a victim for him to get the information he intended to use to plan and carry out a sloppy crime that still resulted in the brutal death of four young people.
Some will ask how could she have missed it? My guess is she didn’t know him well enough to see signs.
Should she now profile all of her students?

My guess is the entire academic area of Criminal Justice and profiling is taking a look at themselves right about now.

IMO

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Does anyone worry that BK will get "cold feet" over this plea and decide not to accept it before his sentencing? And then uses this whole situation to say that it has been prejudicial to his case. And use this as a delay tactic for his trial. While I do agree that a guaranteed verdict with no chance of appeals is the best outcome, there's something about this that doesn't feel right. I can't exactly put my finger on it, but my gut is telling me that we have several twists and turns ahead of us.

I fear the exact same thing, but the defense reached out to the prosecution for the plea deal, not the other way around. I think the prosecution would have to get a guarantee from the defense before sending the letters announcing the deal to the victims’ families. They had to know their letter could be leaked to the press.

IMO

 

[Chloegirl]

Stating the obvious, the people of Moscow will be frustrated to not learn the details they need to know. It is not so much that we have a right to this information as we have been told partial truths for too long. Our patience has been required.

Facts help us navigate our environment and assess risk. It is possible that the plea deal eliminates our ability to understand completely. When a crime this heinous is committed in my town, I look for guidance from officials. Moscow IS the University of Idaho and as citizens, we deserve answers. JMOO

 

[acutename]

people seem to think that BK has insight into himself- he might have none. Recall that he had no concept of how off putting he was to other students or the students he was TA-ing. If he could really "act normal," he would not have been causing those problems. Also, I believe though I am not a criminal lawyer, that BK's plea will have to include him saying that he is of "sound mind" or some phrase like that and that he is aware of what he is agreeing to and is agreeing voluntarily. Not sure how that meshes with ADHD, visual snow, any other mental maladies he and his defense have been presenting. I think he needs to state that he is not using any medication that could impair his judgments as well. Really not sure exactly how that plays out with anyone who is on any medications.

(also creepy to me if he becomes the subject of books if that was one of his objectives all along)

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Stating the obvious, the people of Moscow will be frustrated to not learn the details they need to know. It is not so much that we have a right to this information as we have been told partial truths for too long. Our patience has been required.

Facts help us navigate our environment and assess risk. It is possible that the plea deal eliminates our ability to understand completely. When a crime this heinous is committed in my town, I look for guidance from officials. Moscow IS the University of Idaho and as citizens, we deserve answers. JMOO

Hippler has stated in court that the public must trust the process, so I don’t think he’s going to keep things hidden that indicate BK’s guilt. He knows the conspiracy theorists aren’t going to be convinced by BK simply pleading guilty.

IMO

 

[AngTxGal]

So are we ever going to find out what book was underlined on page 118?

I wish AT had been even better and convinced her client to plead guilty far sooner—he actually committed the crimes! By refusing to confess, BK forced AT to waste so much effort and tax-payer dollars. That may not have been an option, though, if the prosecution had not offered a plea deal that took the death penalty off the table.

IMO

I think AT did the best she could, and as she came forward stating him as being innocent makes me wonder if she actually believed it.

We have to consider that BK is likely the kind of guy that thinks he is the smartest SOB in the room. Taking advice from a woman may have been beneath him- until his ego saw the DP as a reality.

What would a defense attorney do if they realized not only was the evidence overwhelming that a win was unlikely, but they began to realize their client was Guilty?

I don’t know how a defense attorney could represent someone they knew was guilty of carrying out such a horrific crime- especially if they behaved as if they had zero remorse or feelings about it at all. What a horrific situation for any defense attorney defending a man for multiple murders- much less a defense attorney who is also a young-ish blonde female who looks a bit like two of the victims.

Much respect for defense attorneys- not all of them are raking in the bucks.

IMO

 

[DizzyB]

I don’t think anyone is judging SG as a person. I have the utmost respect for him being an outspoken advocate for his daughter and family.
I also see that his actions may impact all of the families and survivors while he fights for what his family wants.
His choice and his public voice isn’t better or preferred- it is his way. Other families react and deal in their own way. Their grief, feelings, and needs are no less important.

Where is a victim’s advocate in this situation? An attorney to represent all of the families?

We have to consider that the decision for the prosecution to offer a plea deal may work the best for some families, and the two young female survivors who were in the house. As SG comes forward with anger, saying the prosecution and court system has let him down…Is SG considering what is best for the other families and surviving victims- too?

I too am hoping for some kind of peace so all of the families can move forward

IMO

I hope that Steve finds something that helps him channel his immense grief. Families are kept in the dark on so much of the evidence, they are outsiders in the interest of ensuring a conviction and a fair trial. It sounds crazy, what is fair for the accused while their loved ones are in the dirt. Idaho has the death penalty, and this crime certainly justifies it. I understand Steve’s rage. But I know that this plea was the right thing.

 

[acutename]

I think AT did the best she could, and as she came forward stating him as being innocent makes me wonder if she actually believed it.
What would a defense attorney do if they realized not only was the evidence overwhelming that a win was unlikely, but they began to realize their client was Guilty?

I don’t know how a defense attorney could represent someone they knew was guilty of carrying out such a horrific crime- especially if they behaved as if they had zero remorse or feelings about it at all. What a horrific situation for any defense attorney defending a man for multiple murders- much less a defense attorney who is also a young-ish blonde female who looks a bit like two of the victims.

Much respect for defense attorneys- not all of them are raking in the bucks.

IMO

I wonder if going over the possible methods of killing- lethal injection, firing squad, etc., brought home to BK that loss would really equal death. We know that some defendants actually choose death, so it is not always the deterrent that it would be for a typical person. (e.g. OK City bomber Timothy McVeigh- chose no appeals)

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Regarding the search warrant return for the Kohberger family home, does anyone think we will ever find out which book BK underlined on page 118, whose ID cards BK had in that glove in a box, or whether item #1, “knife”, was THE knife?

 

[AngTxGal]

I wonder if going over the possible methods of killing- lethal injection, firing squad, etc., brought home to BK that loss would really equal death. We know that some defendants actually choose death, so it is not always the deterrent that it would be for a typical person. (e.g. OK City bomber Timothy McVeigh- chose no appeals)

It is hard to imagine what would go through his mind, you could be right that going over the possible methods of DP could feel too real. A firing squad seems pretty brutal, but public hanging in central square would be worse.
I think it may also have been the mounting evidence that came to light, showing Guilty would likely be the result of a jury trial.
His ego enjoyed the attention for a while- until His sense of self preservation won over ego?
I also wonder if he grew up, he is a bit of a late bloomer it seems.
Did he age out of his fascination for the perfect murder?
Or does he have a past that has yet to be explored?

I don’t know, and while I’m as curious as the next person- my Curiosity has lost the battle to my Empathy for the victims and survivors who are so young with a full life ahead of them.

IMO

 

[Tealgrove]

I think the good Dr. R is capitalizing on her association with BK as much as possible. Her reaching out to BK's family after his arrest, staying in contact and now making the media circuit rounds.

A lot of publicity for her, which I think she's enjoying to be honest. The whole relationship with BK seems suspect to me. <shrug>

JMO

I think she has a book in the works. MOO

 

[danablue1]

Full Ramsland interview.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1940259050719257036

I dont know why I didn't like her she seems like a opportunist MOO

 

[PunishThenForgive]

people seem to think that BK has insight into himself- he might have none. Recall that he had no concept of how off putting he was to other students or the students he was TA-ing. If he could really "act normal," he would not have been causing those problems. Also, I believe though I am not a criminal lawyer, that BK's plea will have to include him saying that he is of "sound mind" or some phrase like that and that he is aware of what he is agreeing to and is agreeing voluntarily. Not sure how that meshes with ADHD, visual snow, any other mental maladies he and his defense have been presenting. I think he needs to state that he is not using any medication that could impair his judgments as well. Really not sure exactly how that plays out with anyone who is on any medications.

(also creepy to me if he becomes the subject of books if that was one of his objectives all along)

Lacking awareness of how you come across to others is a sign of both ASD and ADHD.

I think that is different from self-awareness, or awareness of your own internal thought processes and emotions.

Kohberger showed he is aware of having a broken brain in his teenage Tapatalk musings and in the lyrics of the songs he listened to and most likely identified with (as revealed by Dateline). And, he studied psychology at his community college and at DeSales University—perhaps to figure out why he wasn’t normal. He studied criminology, too, for perhaps the same reason.

IMO

 

[danablue1]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1940071836446036064

DBM

 

[tlcya]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1940071836446036064

dammit I had dared to hope that would be a condition of the plea

 

[PunishThenForgive]

I wonder if going over the possible methods of killing- lethal injection, firing squad, etc., brought home to BK that loss would really equal death. We know that some defendants actually choose death, so it is not always the deterrent that it would be for a typical person. (e.g. OK City bomber Timothy McVeigh- chose no appeals)

I think when Hippler finally SLAMMED down his hammer, refusing to continue the trial or allow AT to introduce alternative suspects, BK finally had to face facts—that he would be tried and could be given the death penalty. Only then did he allow AT to request a plea deal.

IMOO

 

[katydid23]

Does anyone worry that BK will get "cold feet" over this plea and decide not to accept it before his sentencing? And then uses this whole situation to say that it has been prejudicial to his case. And use this as a delay tactic for his trial. While I do agree that a guaranteed verdict with no chance of appeals is the best outcome, there's something about this that doesn't feel right. I can't exactly put my finger on it, but my gut is telling me that we have several twists and turns ahead of us.

Regarding the search warrant return for the Kohberger family home, does anyone think we will ever find out which book BK underlined on page 118, whose ID cards BK had in that glove in a box, or whether item #1, “knife, was THE knife?
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Well, Ol Bill is about to retire. I wouldn't be surprised if he wrote a book about this case and spilled all the Prosecution secrets.