PLEA DEAL REACHED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #110

[cuecard]

Echoing what others have said but BK looked stone cold today. That didn’t seem to faze him at all.

I hope the families/friends involved can begin to heal in their own ways moving forward. You’d like to hope them, Kaylee, Maddie, Xana and Ethan will be the ones always remembered going forward and not BK.

 

[Tragg]

Typically, if you are sentenced to Death, you are confined to your cell 23hrs (or so) , per day, given an hour alone in the “yard”, eat your meals in your cell, housed in a separate cell area, away from general population.
With Death off the table, he will possibly/probably be able to join the other inmates on the outdoor area to play basketball, socialize, eat in the cafeteria, etc etc., have a prison job, etc.
Not being sentenced to Death, Kohlberger will probably be able to join these types of activities, if he wishes. And live a more leisurely life in prison. Some sociopaths thrive in this structured setting.

Use of the death penalty as bargaining leverage is unethical for prosecutors IMO, and it is problematic in other related ways:

Coercion and Undue Influence:

Threatening a defendant with the death penalty, especially when the prosecution may lack the resources to secure a death sentence, can exert undue pressure on the defendant to waive their right to a trial and plead guilty, saving the prosecutor's budget.

Erosion of Constitutional Rights:

This practice can undermine a defendant's right to a fair trial and due process, forcing them to choose between facing a potentially unfair trial with the risk of death or accepting a plea deal that may not accurately reflect their guilt. "Am I risking death?" is a much different question than "Can I get a lower term in prison".

Potential for Wrongful Convictions:

The pressure to accept a plea deal can lead innocent individuals to plead guilty to avoid the risk of execution, resulting in wrongful convictions.

Ethical Concerns:

Some argue that it is inherently unethical to use the threat of death as a tool to secure a conviction, regardless of the circumstances.

 

[NoeticSoul]

Is this how he killed them?

First, Xana Kernodle, then Kaylee Goncalves. Went downstairs and killed Madison Mogen and last was Ethan Chapin? Will we ever know who the real target was?

IIRC the order was Kaylee, Madison, Xana, then Ethan who was sleeping. bbm Probably not, but I feel it was Madison. There was a REASON he went in there in the first place. I hope we learn what it is was but I wont hold my breath finding out. moo

 

[femto]

First Diddy, now this. It's a travesty of justice to me. I watched Steve talking to reporters and... let's just say I completely empathize. This scum got the last laugh. In the end everything is about money.

 

[NuttMegg]

If it's any consolation to those who really wanted to see a DP sentence in this case, I think BK will have a huge bullseye on his back in prison.

Unless he's put in solitary 24-7, he'll be living in a state of constant fear.

The hunter is about to become the hunted. Hate to see it.
JMO.

That's the problem, too. These high publicity murderers get protected in prison by the system. Sure there are exceptions, but look at Watts, shifted away from CO where he complained about other inmates in the jail being verbally mean to him. I never heard an explanation of why he was whisked off to Wisconsin instead of to nearby Florence.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

I didn't understand it that way. I understood it as he killed Madison, then Kaylee, then Xana, and then Ethan. Can someone else confirm? Thanks

MM and KG first and second, XK third, and EC fourth.

IIRC the order was Kaylee, Madison, Xana, then Ethan who was sleeping. bbm Probably not, but I feel it was Madison. There was a REASON he went in there in the first place. I hope we learn what it is was but I wont hold my breath finding out. moo

I agree, @Muddy K and @NoeticSoul, that is the order in which BT recounted the murders. Ethan was killed last, while asleep.

Source

 

[NuttMegg]

Dbm

 

[truetexan]

Wow. Unexpected plea deal. Mixed thoughts on it. However jury trial is risk also. IMO I feel like the plea deal is at a sure deal keeping him locked up. Death penalty would have been many many years away with chance for winning appeals. IMO he would do it again. Pure evil. Thought and prayers with the victims families and loved ones. My they find peace somehow.

 

[MomMommyMom2]

My heart hurts for the victims and their families. Just hearing him say “guilty” so calmly to each charge made my stomach turn.

 

[Miss Poovy]

Use of the death penalty as bargaining leverage is unethical for prosecutors IMO, and it is problematic in other related ways:

Coercion and Undue Influence:

Threatening a defendant with the death penalty, especially when the prosecution may lack the resources to secure a death sentence, can exert undue pressure on the defendant to waive their right to a trial and plead guilty, saving the prosecutor's budget.

Erosion of Constitutional Rights:

This practice can undermine a defendant's right to a fair trial and due process, forcing them to choose between facing a potentially unfair trial with the risk of death or accepting a plea deal that may not accurately reflect their guilt. "Am I risking death?" is a much different question than "Can I get a lower term in prison".

Potential for Wrongful Convictions:

The pressure to accept a plea deal can lead innocent individuals to plead guilty to avoid the risk of execution, resulting in wrongful convictions.

Ethical Concerns:

Some argue that it is inherently unethical to use the threat of death as a tool to secure a conviction, regardless of the circumstances.

Agree. Probably not a popular question, but what case in Idaho would be DP-worthy if this case wasn’t? What holes were in the prosecution’s case? Yes, mostly circumstantial evidence, but I believe this is true of a lot of cases.

 

[Arkay]

23rd we will all be here. We

In my real life, I will be back in Florida where my father will be having surgery for aggressive kidney cancer on July 22nd. In such a trivial way, compared to what is happening to my dad, I was happy the judge changed it to the 23rd.

I’ll still be with him in the hospital and don’t know if I’ll get around to watching it, but at least the surgery will be over and I can try to think about other things.

I am satisfied now by the plea deal. I feel relief that we got to hear him admit to each charge, despite his nonchalance, and now we don’t need to be concerned about one potential juror thinking he’s innocent.

JMO

 

[NoeticSoul]

If it's any consolation to those who really wanted to see a DP sentence in this case, I think BK will have a huge bullseye on his back in prison.

Unless he's put in solitary 24-7, he'll be living in a state of constant fear.

The hunter is about to become the hunted. Hate to see it.
JMO.

IT'S A GREAT consolation to me. I hope somebody 'Dahmers' him in the bathroom when he is unsuspecting or tweezing his unibrows. Just the way he did these poor 4 kids. js/moo

 

[QB2022]

My heart truly, genuinely hurts for thr victims, their families and the survivors.

 

[Tragg]

Speculations here as to how good BK's life in prison will be, generally and in comparison with death row, are wildly inaccurate. If he is in the general population, he will be at risk of death because of the nature of his crime. To be in prison is to lose all control over your life. It is a violent and unpleasant place to be. BK may, in fact, ask for the kind of isolation commonly required for death row inmates.

 

[LAborn]

I didn't understand it that way. I understood it as he killed Madison, then Kaylee, then Xana, and then Ethan. Can someone else confirm? Thanks

Yes, 3rd floor first, then 2nd floor before being seen by the surviving roommates and exiting. After 900+ Days, Bryan Kohberger Suddenly Admits to the Idaho Murders

 

[Jw192]

Use of the death penalty as bargaining leverage is unethical for prosecutors IMO, and it is problematic in other related ways:

Coercion and Undue Influence:

Threatening a defendant with the death penalty, especially when the prosecution may lack the resources to secure a death sentence, can exert undue pressure on the defendant to waive their right to a trial and plead guilty, saving the prosecutor's budget.

Erosion of Constitutional Rights:

This practice can undermine a defendant's right to a fair trial and due process, forcing them to choose between facing a potentially unfair trial with the risk of death or accepting a plea deal that may not accurately reflect their guilt. "Am I risking death?" is a much different question than "Can I get a lower term in prison".

Potential for Wrongful Convictions:

The pressure to accept a plea deal can lead innocent individuals to plead guilty to avoid the risk of execution, resulting in wrongful convictions.

Ethical Concerns:

Some argue that it is inherently unethical to use the threat of death as a tool to secure a conviction, regardless of the circumstances.

Unless they're guilty as sin and deserve it.

I know where you're coming from as sometimes the DP is used as a means to try get a defendant to plead out, seen more so in federal trials and I most certainly don't agree with that. That said, in the states that use the DP as punishment, there are factors which have to be met in order for the DP to be on the table. This case in particular is a prime example for a death penalty card to be plonked on the table imo.

He's as guilty as can be and he hasn't admitted his guilt falsely to avoid being executed, he's done so because he did in fact butcher those 4 people to bits, realised his defense had no more blags in their pockets, and wanted one last power play.

IMO

 

[Gemmie]

Why is she touching him???????

 

[LAborn]

The surviving roommates, who are also victims hopefully will be left alone now. They were unnecessarily scrutinized and vilified on social media and the press. As if they didn't endure enough trauma!

 

[10ofRods]

I agree, @NoeticSoul, that is the order in which BT recounted the murders. Ethan was killed last, while asleep.

I believe the prosecutor stated M, K, then leaving of sheath next to M, then going downstairs, seeing X, killing her, then going into bedroom and killing Ethan.

Nothing about whether Ethan was sleeping or not.

 

[Arkay]

My heart truly, genuinely hurts for thr victims, their families and the survivors.

Same, but I also hurt for Bryan’s parents.

Of course we don’t know it from the inside, but from the outside looking in they seem to love and care for their son.

We’ve learned about how much they tried to help Bryan throughout his life. Even as an adult his father flew out to Washington to drive his son back to Pennsylvania.

He had an intact family, he has successful siblings, apparently there were money problems but Bryan still was able to go to college.

JMO, they are suffering too. Their son is alive but a monster and I imagine they feel shame. He was once their little boy, though. It’s heartbreaking.