PLEA DEAL REACHED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #110

[Sundog]

Maddie's mom, what a resemblance

Agree, I noticed that right away.

 

[Love Never Fails]

There's that, the fact the sheath contained only KG and MM's blood, DM's account, Xana's last phone activity, etc.

We'll likely see the DNA analysis in discovery, and this is something they'd be able to know for a fact.

@MassGuy, I heard the judge ask the defense atty if she was asking for all the evidence to be kept from the public (my words because i forgot exact wording), and she said yes, so how are you sure there will ever be any discovery?

 

[Dexter12]

There's that, the fact the sheath contained only KG and MM's blood, DM's account, Xana's last phone activity, etc.

We'll likely see the DNA analysis in discovery, and this is something they'd be able to know for a fact.

The sheath only had thier blood MM and KG cuz he left the sheath in MM's room

 

[minazoe]

I really don't feel good after that guys, I don't know my feelings are that the people of the state of Idaho want the DP in their state. I feel like this case went against the people. I mean if they can't execute their wishes and execute Bryan for murdering 4 people. if it's just taken away at the whim of a few people...It doesn't seem right. I'm not sure about the death penalty. but it's up to the people of the state and the people wanted a trial. Judge Hippler looked as though he was restraining himself and was white with rage. Honestly I don't know how he even got through it.

there is no way he gets any kind of minimum sentence...and honestly Bryan won't survive prison.
no way. mOO

 

[Love Never Fails]

A plea deal is a part of due process in many cases.
The vast majority criminal cases in the US are settled via plea agreement.
The pathway to justice isn't solely through jury trials in our legal system.
With a plea deal, the outcome is guaranteed to a much greater extent than it would be handing the case over to a jury.

We know BK is going to be locked away forever.
Forever X 4.
Plus 10 years.

He admitted to savagely snuffing out those 4 lives "willfully, unlawfully, deliberately with premeditation and malice aforethought."
The families all heard him confess his guilt to each murder.
He never would have done that had there been a jury trial.

Genuine question: What would a trial accomplish that this plea does not?

And plea deals usually make the poor suffer and the well known cases get the best deals. IMO

 

[YankeeTrucker]

There's that, the fact the sheath contained only KG and MM's blood, DM's account, Xana's last phone activity, etc.

We'll likely see the DNA analysis in discovery, and this is something they'd be able to know for a fact.

Will the discovery be made public? if so what's it take to make that happen? Does the judge just release it or is it a freedom of information act thing?

 

[Love Never Fails]

I really don't feel good after that guys, I don't know my feelings are that the people of the state of Idaho want the DP in their state. I feel like this case went against the people. I mean if they can't execute their wishes and execute Bryan for murdering 4 people. if it's just taken away at the whim of a few people...It doesn't seem right. I'm not sure about the death penalty. but it's up to the people of the state and the people wanted a trial. Judge Hippler looked as though he was restraining himself and was white with rage. Honestly I don't know how he even got through it.

there is no way he gets any kind of minimum sentence...and honestly Bryan won't survive prison.
no way. mOO

Sadly, the bad guys usually do. How about the CO man who murdered his wife and baby girls? he will survive.

 

[Sundog]

I'm sure he formulated it for them, but I presume that they gave him the key points. I think they too must be assumed to be telling their truth even if some on here don't agree with it. I presume they have some form of closure.

MOO

During the reading of their statement, Maddie's mother would often shake her head in positive acknowledgement of various points made in the statement. And at the end of their press conference, she gave their victims' rights attorney a big hug. The family's statement said that today they have closure and now they will move forward with their healing and hope for the future (my paraphrase). They said they support the plea deal 100%. It was a very positive and uplifting statement.

 

[kwash]

What is significant about the timing of the K family flight records?

It could be that SG thinks/knows the Kohberger’s were given notice of the plea deal/hearing prior to the victim’s families being notified/given time to consider. So possibly more of an indictment by SG of the prosecutor’s actions than a comment about the Kohberger’s.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Oh I very much agree with that. He's not the special superstar killer he thinks he is, he's a ten a penny creeper that people like us read about regularly. His attempts to be like his idols he studied and watched on YouTube failed as he is just another drop in the smelly murderer pool and his name will be long forgotten.
He will however imo, hold onto the shreds of "power" he has left as that's all he has. Like I said before, we here move on. There's unfortunately always gonna be another unhinged creep who commits a horrendous act and we will follow that case hoping for justice, and the next and the next. He holds no power over us, it's the families of the victims that at present want answers that he holds in his skeletor looking head and, I hope in time they can realise that the answers he holds won't bring them any more peace. Let him fade away into the abyss he fell into and rot there all alone.

As I've said earlier, I don't care if BK has fantasies of power and control and world domination now that he will be going to prison for the rest of his depraved and disordered life. What goes on in his head isn't essentially human or even animal, as most animals don't kill for thrills.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

What is making me more anxious is the fact that the judge didn't mention life sentence WITHOUT PAROLE at any time during the hearing. I can't imagine the horror of the victim's families having to return to parole hearings for the rest of their {or BK's} lives.

I picked up on that too, and I think it's an underlying concern, but Judge Hippler had to quickly shift focus to this hearing on the plea of guilty and the sentencing could put a finer point on how the years will add up then LWOP could be just an assumption with 5 consecutive terms, as he stated, 10 for burglary, and life sentences for their 4 murders to be served consecutively.

That's an indeterminate number of years he'll serve consecutively that will equal LWOP, he's going to die in prison, IMO, so maybe they don't need to go there right now, addressing the possibility of parole.

Cuz he's never getting out. Period.

JMO and happy day for most / tragic day for some of his victims (noting in the proceedings the Judge & Prosecutor both referred to their families as victims, cuz they most certainly are victims of his crimes forever), he's still going to spend the rest of his miserable life behind bars forever.

Sad but true, phew

Moo

 

[gremlin444]

Now the the livestream is complete, you can access on YT the transcript of the AP video of the stream.

--I do hope we find how they ascertained he parked behind and above. DD driver? Someone in that apartment complex glancing out?
--Prosecutor: "We will not represent that he intended to commit all of the murders that he did
that night."
--Prosecutor: "the defendant's car was seized and it was actually pretty much disassembled internally, and it also had been cleaned. There was a bucket of cleaner right beside it. " (note: not clear to me if BT meant that the car was taken in and disassembled in a search for evidence, which we know they did do, or if he meant that when they initially looked in the car it was in that state. Because BT does jump around a bit, I suspect the disassembled referred to how the car was analyzed by FBI/LE).


This part jumped out at me, and I'm so so so curious:

Hippler: I want to also make for the record the defendant has provided with the
guilty plea advisory form a document entitled "written factual basis" that purports to have the defendant's signature dated 1 July 2025. Did you sign that document?
BK: Yes.
Hippler: And did you agree with the written factual basis that is included there?
BK: Yes.

Now, the judge termed what the prosecutor was then going to present to the court verbally as "its recitation of its factual basis had this case gone to trial."

So...is BK the author of the "written factual basis" document that he signed and was returned to the judge along with his guilty plea advisory questionnaire? Or was it a document written by the prosecution that contained basically what Brian Thompson presented in today's hearing as a recitation of the factual basis, and then BK signed it as being true?

 

[Seattle1]

Thank you kindly for this extra info @Seattle1 I very much appreciate it!

It's somewhat confusing because there are both Federal and State Statutes for Son of Sam. There's the challenge on First Amendment grounds (freedom of speech), and States that overturned similar rulings by holding profits in escrow for a set number of years to be claimed by the victims.

Son of Sam Laws

 

[Chloegirl]

I really don't feel good after that guys, I don't know my feelings are that the people of the state of Idaho want the DP in their state. I feel like this case went against the people. I mean if they can't execute their wishes and execute Bryan for murdering 4 people. if it's just taken away at the whim of a few people...It doesn't seem right. I'm not sure about the death penalty. but it's up to the people of the state and the people wanted a trial. Judge Hippler looked as though he was restraining himself and was white with rage. Honestly I don't know how he even got through it.

there is no way he gets any kind of minimum sentence...and honestly Bryan won't survive prison.
no way. mOO

I do not really like to chime in on the DP. But, if you are correct he is ultimately choosing stabbing over firing squad. There is a thought. Yikes!

 

[NoeticSoul]

I am with Mr. G one hundred percent. This man slaughtered the children then took a selfie “thumbs up” because he was proud of his work. If Idaho couldn’t find their way to put him on top of the list for that rifle, that’s their problem. The prosecutors FAILED the children.
So Chad Daybell got the DP and people think this guy would not? Sheesh. This country is sick.

Oh I agree with him, I just wish he had some more emotional or professional support to deal with his (completely justified) rage and anger for his own health.

 

[NuttMegg]

Does Idaho have similar post conviction relief to Colorado's 35 C, which Watts nearly filed? Iirc it is not an "appeal".

Appeal, Post-Conviction Motions - Colorado State Public Defender

Appeal your case with public defender support. Understand post-conviction motions and federal court options for legal relief.

www.coloradodefenders.us

 

[whitelilac]

What is significant about the timing of the K family flight records?

I thought it was about them knowing about the plea deal in advance, when the victims' families where not informed.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Agree. Probably not a popular question, but what case in Idaho would be DP-worthy if this case wasn’t? What holes were in the prosecution’s case? Yes, mostly circumstantial evidence, but I believe this is true of a lot of cases.

It was Death Penalty worthy. He was charged with a death penalty crime. People facing the death penalty can choose to plead guilty and that commonly means LWOP for DP-qualified offenses. There didn't have to be holes in the case.

I think some might be missing the significance of what happened today. Kohberger pleaded guilty to premeditated murder of all four victims, by name. For me, that is far more powerful than a guilty verdict after a trial with the killer insisting he's a choir boy out looking at the stars and SODDI. A confession that doesn't occur in some sweaty interrogation room but rather in open court with a top defense lawyer present is actual closure to a case, highly prized because it end all doubt. All doubt. Bryan Kohberger is the killer. He said so himself.

 

[gremlin444]

Sure sounds like it. It's one of the new (and damning) pieces of evidence.
That's how I heard it, too.

It wouldn't have been on the immediate neighbor's camera (1112 King, just to the right of the house as you face it). That's the camera featured so prominently in the recent Dateline episode. Their camera faced away from 1122 and shouldn't have even been able to catch any headlights from BK's car parking up there because of the angle of view of that camera.

 

[RatFace]

For any legal minds out there: Why do they stipulate that the 4 life sentences are served consecutively? Is there some possibility that a life sentence is not truly a life sentence?