PLEA DEAL REACHED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #110

[NuttMegg]

I was under the impression that when sentencing is finalized on July 23rd, the gag order drops away.
If that is correct, I have hopes that we will find out the many things known to LE that we as yet do not know. Also anything that the MSM knew and didn’t publicize, if that exists.

Yeah, in a way it would be like sunlight or a wooden stake to the vampire, get all the sordid horrifying proof out there now, to lessen his power, to dim his so-called proberger fan glow.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

Agree. Probably not a popular question, but what case in Idaho would be DP-worthy if this case wasn’t? What holes were in the prosecution’s case? Yes, mostly circumstantial evidence, but I believe this is true of a lot of cases.

I think the icing on the cake of BK being a definite candidate for the DP goes beyond circumstantial evidence or possible holes in the prosecution's case in seeking the DP.

They would have if they could have, IMO, but then comes the plea. Maybe desperately wanted by both sides to avoid the uncertainties of trial and them being willing to take the DP off the table to gain a confession. Finally.

Another consideration (can't link legal verbiage at the moment for the state of Idaho's laws, so MOO) are the particular circumstances and depravity of him committing these murders, which could trigger a DP versus LWOP:

The heinous nature of killing four innocent people in their home at night while most of them were sleeping or close to it at 4 am ish, and were essentially disabled with no way to fight back, with no previous interactions or possible warnings or triggers ever having been sussed out or apparent to the victims....

Because BK did it all on the down low. Creeper sicko extraordinaire.

I do think it's still a DP-worthy case, but compromising to get as close as possible to LWOP (4 life sentences for murder served consecutively along with 10 years for burglary) without risking trial with the potential for a not guilty verdict from the jury or possibly endless appeals if he were found guilty, well, they decided on Option B.

JMO as always

 

[Seattle1]

Does Idaho have similar post conviction relief to Colorado's 35 C, which Watts nearly filed? Iirc it is not an "appeal".

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It's not applicable even if available because BK agreed to waive his entire right to appeal under the agreement.

 

[turaj]

They just weren't included in the negotiations it sounds like, but rather informed after he had accepted the deal. The judge said today that it wasn't an intentional move, but rather that with the trial set to begin next month, that if let's say Kohberger agreed to the deal, then backed out, they would begin the trial as usual, not a lot of time in between. They had to move quickly to cover all scenarios. He was sorry that some family might not be able to travel there with such short notice. Hopefully though they'll be there for the sentencing phase and victim's impact statements.

I accepted the reasons presented by the judge. 10,000 jury notices going out and alll of this starting in a few weeks. This trial would have been a real circus and a potential hung jury? The family is not included in negotiations and assume that prosecution got most of what they wanted. Everyone has a chance to be there July 23.

 

[NuttMegg]

It's not applicable even if available because BK agreed to waive his entire right to appeal under the agreement.

I remember long explanations, a 35C is not an "appeal". But I hope you're right. Iirc Watts was also denied appeals, but.not the 35c process if the original judge would accept the initiation of it.

 

[turaj]

And the whole [my paraphrase] "people coming from out of state to kill our kids" is offensive.

I don't know what he said about the parents but Mr. Goncalves is going too far. I feel for his parents...no one raises their child to become as mass murderer. They are in hell too over this.

 

[Sachi]

I'm from a different camp. I hope his name isn't added to a list of notorious criminals. I want Maddie, Kaylee, Xana and Ethan to be remembered as the lively and fun-loving people they were, and for BK to waste away in prison eating vegan meals and to be forgotten.

JMO!

I didn't think of it this way, thank you.

 

[Missyrocks5]

Michael Myers. I hope he has the same food in prison as everyone else & I hope he gains 100 pounds back. The prosecutor was emotional. What a toll on everyone. His thumbs up selfie with a smile.

Hope his professor speaks to him and he gives it all up.

 

[Chimera]

Did you watch the hearing? It was mentioned that the judge himself only got wind of it on Monday, same as the families. He also explained why todays hearing needed do be done quickly.

Also, I can't understand what he's feeling but I can understand that he is feeling, and in my opinion he's really not doing himself favours. I don't blame him for being so angry as I believe that he wanted the most severe punishment possible which is the DP. However, I don't care how much pain someone is in, it is NOT ok to encourage randoms from the weirdest corners of the internet (Facebook say whut) to go ahead and phone up a judge and bombard him. It is NOT ok to do the same with the prosecution team and LE who have worked their bums off for knocking on 3 years to find out who killed his daughter,, build a huge case and discovery and done their damnedest to ensure that he is never ever free to kill someone else's daughter. Also, it is NOT ok to give a news interview that will be shown all over, threats towards the Kohberger family! They didn't harm anybody, they didn't do anything wrong and it isn't their fault that their son is a monster. They're victims too.
So are the families of the other 3 students, they hurt just as much as SG and just because they aren't spitting venom into any mic put in front of them, it doesn't mean that they hurt less.
He's lost the plot imo and needs a damn good therapist as if he carries on this way with the threats and the encouragement of threats towards people, he will find himself behind bars

Bbm.
I don't think he threatened anyone; but said that from the flight times that possibly BK's family were told of the plea deal before the families of the victims ?
IF so, that would be problematic, imo.

 

[NoeticSoul]

Hopefully some day soon, BK's name can be added to one of these two lists of notorious criminals.


Jeffrey Epstein
Israel Keyes
Ted Kaczynski
Aaron Hernandez
John C. Salvi III
Philip Markoff

Jeffrey Dahmer
Albert DeSalvo
Donald Harvey
Charles Schmid
James "Whitey" Bulger



JMO

NO THANK YOU! I don't want to see him on any "notorious' lists. That is exactly what BK wants! He is NOT noteworthy even. The only list he belongs on is the one waiting for his entry to an eternity in HELL. moo

 

[NuttMegg]

Bbm.
I don't think he threatened anyone; but said that from the flight times that possibly BK's family were told of the plea deal before the families of the victims ?
IF so, that would be problematic, imo.

I wonder how he got the flight data.

 

[jcamh]

So, will the evidence be made public now or after he is sentenced? Anything that is public record could be obtained by a request of public information which I'm sure the media will request. I want to know why he did it? What was the triggering event? How did he not leave a blood trail as he was leaving the house? How did he decide which night to commit the murders given that he had driven by the house 13 nights? Did he choose that night because Kaylee was in town? I just need more information so I can wrap my mind around how someone could be this evil.

 

[seasideForest]

or the other one where someone else helped them exit off this earth.

I'd prefer this one for him. Suicide would be him deciding, being 'helped by' someone else - not his decision - and maybe he'd get to feel at least a bit of what he inflicted on Kaylee, Maddie, Xana and Ethan.

I'd also be OK with him sitting through his 5 consecutive sentences, because I really don't think prison is a barrel of laughs, even for someone like BK who possibly struggled rather in the normal world, not really fitting in, seemingly not capable of 'normal' friendships etc. To be clear, I have no empathy with him. Imagine not being able to decide anything for yourself any more! 1 hour per day of exercise in the yard. Think back to Covid times - people were going stir-crazy with feeling imprisoned - at least in countries where we were allowed face-to-face contact with only one other person or household outside our immediate household and not meant to leave the house/apartment except for a once weekly shopping trip, except people in certain professions. But at least we got to decide what to do or not to do in our own houses/apartments. And the Covid rules were going to end 'sometime' and they did, whereas there's going to be no end to BK's imprisonment, till his death. As there shouldn't be. Society needs to be protected from him. MOO

 

[Arkay]

I do think it's still a DP-worthy case, but compromising to get as close as possible to LWOP (4 life sentences for murder served consecutively along with 10 years for burglary) without risking trial with the potential for a not guilty verdict from the jury or possibly endless appeals if he were found guilty, well, they decided on Option B.

I wasn’t sure how I’d feel about it, but when Bryan admitted to all of it, each charge separately, I did feel relief.

No more Anne Taylor with her perpetual zany motions. No more having to nervously hope that a jury would unanimously find BK guilty.

I will find myself missing Judge Hippler, but I will remember him with great respect.

Of course it would have been SO much more satisfying if BK had been even a tad repentant, but then that just isn’t Bryan Kohberger.

My guess is he will comfort himself in prison by hugging to himself his private memories, and constantly replay this viciousness that apparently he finds delectable.

JMO

 

[seasideForest]

So, will the evidence be made public now

No. After the sentencing is possible. MOO

 

[StarryStarryNight]

I wonder now if Bryan believes he won or lost today.

Potential wins:

No death penalty
Center of attention
Able to still conceal his motive despite so many wanting to know.

Potential losses:

Lack of freedom for the rest of his life.
His case will fade from the headlines as he becomes old news and is supplanted by the unfortunate future murders that will arise.
Trouble with cellmates.

A wash: I don’t think he’ll miss his family as he doesn’t seem to have the normal attachment.

Just speculating on his state of mind after today.

Sending prayers your way, Arkay. I hope things go well for your dad.

 

[10ofRods]

I genuinely think that she bonded with him He groomed her to have control, it’s so disgusting. The looks that they exchanged between them throughout the case were a bit chummy. Regardless she shouldn’t be touching him. Yuck.

My perspective on that is entirely different. But I can certainly see your point. I never saw them as chummy.

 

[Seattle1]

I remember long explanations, a 35C is not an "appeal". But I hope you're right. Iirc Watts was also denied appeals, but.not the 35c process if the original judge would accept the initiation of it.

It was bogus. At the time, Watts was hinting that he wasn't in his right mind when he entered his plea agreement. The Judge made numerous inquiries of BK today whether he had consumed any alcohol, drugs, etc., until he was satisfied BK was competent to enter the agreement and understood the rights he was giving up by doing so.

 

[Arkay]

Sending prayers your way, Arkay. I hope things go well for your dad.

Thank you so much, Starry!

 

[fcavanaugh]

I think that we all wonder why he chose this group of young people. I am additionally perplexed as to why he felt the need to enter X's bedroom and murder a sleeping victim? What was the point of doing that? Those other two girls were extremely lucky that he didn't go after them. There's no way that he saw the girl at her door and probably didn't realize that there was an occupied basement level.

JMO.

I would guess he chose to kill Ethan not only because he could, also likely to some degree he resented Ethan for being a nice, popular guy who could have a relationship with and hang out with all the pretty girls. What he wanted but couldn’t get, wasn’t capable of having attached meaningful relationships like Ethan and killed him out of anger, rage, jealousy simply because Ethan was who he was and who BK wanted to be but could never be.

I agree he likely didn’t see DM and didn’t realize there was an occupied room on the bottom level.
DM and BF are lucky to be alive.
My heart goes out to both young ladies’ for the trauma they have endured and for any survivors guilt they may have had or possibly still experiencing and hope they have a good support system. One of the reasons I’m satisfied with the plea agreement is that these two young ladies’ will be spared from having to be re-traumatized having to face the killer BK in court, testifying, and possible appeals being dragged out for years and years etc., which imo would be dreadful and re-traumatizing for the victims families’, DM and BF.

BK admitted in open court today that he knowingly, premeditated and killed each and every one of the precious four college students, and that he understood that he is going away for LWOP and no appeals. If he went on trial, there is always the chance that one juror could hold out/not vote to convict, potential mistrial declared, or etc., etc., meaning more years of potential turmoil for the surviving victims and victims’ families having to go through more trials without guarantee of conviction and BK potentially being set free in society to kill again. Awful, dreadful and scary thought.

IMO we may never know the “why” unless BK decides to talk someday.
And even if he does eventually decide to talk and elaborate on why/motive etc., it very likely will not be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. IOW, a complete fabrication or some skewed version to maintain control and keep the interested public on the edge of their seat hanging on his every word, so to speak.

I honestly hope he receives no further attention once they lock him up in prison and throw away the key but know that he likely will be getting more attention as KR expressed interest in working with him on a book. Also, understanding criminal minds’ types aka professional criminal profilers’ at some point will likely be looking to try and interview him in prison etc. It will all depend if it’ll be allowed by the powers that be and/or if he agrees to sitting down and meeting with them from prison for interviews but again, whether or not he tells the whole truth to the interested parties’ would be anyone’s guess.

IMHOO

RIP Kaylee,Maddie,Xana,Ethan, you’ll never be forgotten. xx