PLEA DEAL REACHED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #110

[Megnut]

It wouldn't have been on the immediate neighbor's camera (1112 King, just to the right of the house as you face it). That's the camera featured so prominently in the recent Dateline episode. Their camera faced away from 1122 and shouldn't have even been able to catch any headlights from BK's car parking up there because of the angle of view of that camera.

Perhaps those tire treads contained the tale --
Enhanced by what the DDD saw, whether BK reparked where she had seen him or in a new spot.

I'm relieved, I think, that the DA stuck to the known outline. BK doesn't get to revel in the harrowing details or victims' anguish. Those facts alone carry probable cause over the BARD threshold so there was no need, today, to expose the carnage of what BK did nor the meat of their case, which would have convicted him a thousand times over.

That will all come out, in due course.

BK is done. No trial, no jury, no mistrial, no retrial, no acquittal, no claims of innocence, no conspiracies, no victim blaming, no appeals.

He plead guilty in open court, and showed how cold, careless, unmoved, heartless he is.

Remorse? Not capable. He probably feels he got even. Against anyone who, he has decided, ever crossed him, in reality or in his head. His family. Women. Professors. Traffic cops. Coworkers, grad students, young people guilty of nothing, just living their young college lives with exuberance and friendships and relationships and potential, everything he resented.

Someone once taught me that, when you encounter darkness, you respond to it by doubling up on good.... good has to win out, it's the only way to combat what is evil --

JMO

 

[seasideForest]

One of the reasons I’m satisfied with the plea agreement is that these two young ladies’ will be spared from having to be re-traumatized having to face the killer BK in court, testifying, and possible appeals being dragged out for years and years etc., which imo would be dreadful and re-traumatizing for the victims families’, DM and BF.

Yes.
Not to mention DM and BF being cross-examined during trial. Can play all sorts of havoc with a traumatised brain, creating even more trauma to be hopefully healed some day. MOO

 

[Wishbone]

Below is the full transcript of the "factual basis" of the case, which the lead prosecutor laid out in court. Although prosecutors shared new evidence, they did not explain a possible motive.

Transcript: State unveils evidence against Bryan Kohberger at hearing

Prosecutors revealed new evidence without a clear motive in the killing of four University of Idaho students.

www.king5.com

 

[bestill]

DBM

 

[jcamh]

I'm glad that Prosecutor Bill Thompson provided a summary of the evidence, but the number of unanswered questions is mind boggling. For instance, who said ''There’s someone here''? Was that Kaylee? That was the pivotal moment the residents realized something very wrong was going on.

No, that was Xana who said, "Is Someone Here?" DM heard her say it? She likely heard BK coming down the stairs.

 

[gremlin444]

Yes.
Not to mention DM and BF being cross-examined during trial. Can play all sorts of havoc with a traumatised brain, creating even more trauma to be hopefully healed some day. MOO

As well as for Hunter Johnson and Emily Alandt.

 

[bestill]

@Arkay prayers for you and your father's speedy recovery!

 

[gremlin444]

Speedy update of the case files:

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/070225+Plea+Agreement.pdf

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/070225+Miscellaneous+-+Written+Factual+Basis.pdf

 

[PunishThenForgive]

I dunno -- I look at the State's latest timeline and it sure gives more credence to the DD delivery person and BK parking near if not passing each other! JMO

At this point, I don’t think we know exactly where or when the DD driver encountered BK.

Here’s what we know for sure:

According to this court doc, BK’s car was caught on the 1112 King Road security camera leaving the area of 1122 King Road at 3:58 am and returning to the area at 4:04 am.

We also know the DD driver dropped off Xana’s order at 3:59 am.

Finally, during today’s court hearing, Bill Thompson told us that shortly after 4:05 am, BK parked behind and above the house at 1122 King Road, where we’ve speculated that BK spied on Maddie during one or more of his 23 previous visits to the area near the house.

I think it most likely that BK saw the DD driver’s car parked in the front driveway of the house with her lights still on (or he saw her pulling into the driveway) before 3:58 am, and that’s why he left the area at that time.

When he returned at 4:04 am, she had already delivered Xana’s food and left.

An alternative scenario might be that just as BK left the area at 3:58 am, the DoorDash driver drove into the area. So the two cars passed each other going in opposite directions on Queen Road. The DD driver then continued to 1122 Kind Road and delivered the Xana’s food. I highly doubt she would park above and behind the house instead of right in front of it—she, unlike BK, had nothing to hide.

I also think the DD driver left the area soon after dropping off Xana’s order. What woman wants to stick around in the dark with no one around? Perhaps she left as late as 4:04 am and passed BK the first or second time, traveling in the opposite direction on Queen Road.

Another reason I think the DD driver left no later than 4:04 am is that she was quickly ruled out as a suspect. If she had been perched behind the house alongside BK at any point after his last entry into the neighborhood before the homicides, I doubt she would have been cleared so quickly.

At any rate, and luckily for her mental health, it doesn’t matter anymore when or where the DD driver encountered BK’s car since he pleaded guilty earlier today.

It still would be nice to know, I agree!

IMOO

 

[Arkay]

@Arkay prayers for you and your father's speedy recovery!

Thank you so much, Be!

 

[Love Never Fails]

From the YT generated transcript of the AP stream:

Hippler: And council, obviously there have been a number of motions filed to suppress evidence in this case. Other than those filed, are there any other motions that you felt were available with respect to rule 12?
Anne Taylor: No, your honor.

rule 12 refers to this:

I.C.R. 12. Pleadings and Motions Before Trial - Form of Pleadings - Defenses and Objections. | Supreme Court

isc.idaho.gov

That's all that was mentioned.

Thank you so much. I couldn’t remember if there was a motion to suppress all the evidence or not. I really appreciate you responding and posting the rule.

 

[bestill]

Perhaps those tire treads contained the tale --
Enhanced by what the DDD saw, whether BK reparked where she had seen him or in a new spot.

I'm relieved, I think, that the DA stuck to the known outline. BK doesn't get to revel in the harrowing details or victims' anguish. Those facts alone carry probable cause over the BARD threshold so there was no need, today, to expose the carnage of what BK did nor the meat of their case, which would have convicted him a thousand times over.

That will all come out, in due course.

BK is done. No trial, no jury, no mistrial, no retrial, no acquittal, no claims of innocence, no conspiracies, no victim blaming, no appeals.

He plead guilty in open court, and showed how cold, careless, unmoved, heartless he is.

Remorse? Not capable. He probably feels he got even. Against anyone who, he has decided, ever crossed him, in reality or in his head. His family. Women. Professors. Traffic cops. Coworkers, grad students, young people guilty of nothing, just living their young college lives with exuberance and friendships and relationships and potential, everything he resented.

Someone once taught me that, when you encounter darkness, you respond to it by doubling up on good.... good has to win out, it's the only way to combat what is evil --

JMO

BBM You bring up a good point about the tire treads. I've been wondering about the expert witnesses that were gearing up to testify for the state and defense. Will they still be obligated to pay them for their planned testimony even though it didn't happen? Curious about how that works. All JMO

 

[Wishbone]

According to this court doc, BK’s car was caught on the 1112 King Road security camera leaving the area of 1122 King Road at 3:58 am and returning to the area at 4:04 am.

The DD driver dropped off Xana’s order at 3:59 am. So perhaps BK left the area at 3:58 am because he saw the DD driver’s car.

According to Bill Thompson, shortly after 4:05 am, BK parked behind and above the house at 1122 King Road, where we’ve speculated that BK spied on Maddie during one or more of his 23 previous visits to the area near the house.

So we really have no idea where the DD driver encountered BK.

I think it most likely that BK saw her parked in the front driveway of the house with her lights still on (or he saw her pulling into the driveway) before 3:58 am, and that’s why he left the area at that time.

When he returned at 4:04 am, she had delivered Xana’s food and left.

An alternative scenario that I can think of is that just as BK left the area at 3:58 am, the DoorDash driver drove into the area. So the two cars passed each other going in opposite directions The DD driver continued to 1122 Kind Road and delivered the food. I highly doubt she would park above and behind the house instead of right in front of it—she, unlike BK, had nothing to hide.

I also think she would have left the area soon after dropping of Xana’s order. Perhaps she left as late as 4:04 am and passed BK the first or second time, traveling in the opposite direction on Queen Road.

The reason I think she left no later than 4:04 am is that she was quickly ruled out as a suspect. If she had been perched behind the house alongside BK at any point after his last entry into the neighborhood before the homicides, I doubt she would have been cleared so quickly.

At any rate, and luckily for her mental health, it doesn’t matter anymore when or where the DD driver encountered BK’s car since he pleaded guilty earlier today.

It still would be nice to know, I agree!

IMOO

seems doubtful the door dash driver parked right next to BK as this article says......

Bryan Kohberger Eyewitness: DoorDash Driver Claims She 'Parked Right Next' to Him on Night of Murders​

Bryan Kohberger Eyewitness: DoorDash Driver Claims She 'Parked Right Next' to Him on Night of Murders

A DoorDash driver said she will testify ion the Kohberger trial while in custody for an unrelated arrest. telling police: "I saw Bryan. I parked right next to him."

people.com

 

[Teche]

I hoped that before Judge Hippler accepted Bryan’s plea, he had to provide the location of the murder weapon and why he targeted these specific college students.

It won't be long before authors start contacting the murderer to begin interviewing or corresponding with him. You can bet his former professor from DeSales will write a book. She’s already appeared on a crime news show.

 

[Teche]

Did he shave off the brybrows?

Definitely trimmed the brows.

 

[gremlin444]

Speedy update of the case files:

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/070225+Plea+Agreement.pdf

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/070225+Miscellaneous+-+Written+Factual+Basis.pdf

Ok, so wanted to clarify something.

Someone mentioned that nowhere in that hearing today was the word "parole" mentioned as in with or without the possibility of. I even copied the YT generated transcript and read it over and over and did a ctrl-F search for the word parole.

In the plea agreement it also does not state the word parole. But it does say this:

3. The Defendant will receive fixed consecutive life sentences for Counts II-V.

So, trying to find out what "fixed" means in terms of that whole phrase, and particularly in terms of Idaho's laws I found this:

https://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/publication/99417/assessing_the_impact_of_idahos_parole_reforms.pdf

Fixed term: The minimum prison sentence set by the court. Idaho law requires sentences with both a determinate (fixed) and indeterminate length. People become eligible for parole upon fulfilling the fixed portion of a sentence; the indeterminate portion can be served in prison or on parole supervision. For example, someone who receives a three-year fixed sentence and seven-year indeterminate sentence becomes eligible for parole after serving three years but could remain in prison up to 10 years if not granted parole.

Since it is literally impossible to fulfill/finish 4 consecutive life sentences, he can not gain parole. Period. That is why, IMHO, in Idaho legal language, "fixed" in terms of this plea agreement is the equivalent of saying "life without parole."

 

[Arkay]

Perhaps those tire treads contained the tale --
Enhanced by what the DDD saw, whether BK reparked where she had seen him or in a new spot.

I'm relieved, I think, that the DA stuck to the known outline. BK doesn't get to revel in the harrowing details or victims' anguish. Those facts alone carry probable cause over the BARD threshold so there was no need, today, to expose the carnage of what BK did nor the meat of their case, which would have convicted him a thousand times over.

That will all come out, in due course.

BK is done. No trial, no jury, no mistrial, no retrial, no acquittal, no claims of innocence, no conspiracies, no victim blaming, no appeals.

He plead guilty in open court, and showed how cold, careless, unmoved, heartless he is.

Remorse? Not capable. He probably feels he got even. Against anyone who, he has decided, ever crossed him, in reality or in his head. His family. Women. Professors. Traffic cops. Coworkers, grad students, young people guilty of nothing, just living their young college lives with exuberance and friendships and relationships and potential, everything he resented.

Someone once taught me that, when you encounter darkness, you respond to it by doubling up on good.... good has to win out, it's the only way to combat what is evil --

JMO

@Megnut

Meg, I’m really not a pun-loving person, the only one I ever did was drivebry threads ago just to take part, but I do honor you for all your creativity and humor boosting us all through this hideous case.

I’ll say I’m relieved that Bryan is off to spend the rest of his life in Brison? Bryson?

No good? LOL not my forté but I’ve appreciated the running joke.

I also appreciate everyone here. Such a good community.

 

[Vaderman]

I'm rewatching the proceedings and something jumped out at me.

The prosecutor said: "I can tell the court, the public: the weapon itself, the knife, has not yet been recovered".

That "yet" gives me hope that BK told them where he disposed of it and they're working on finding it.

JMO

 

[Love Never Fails]

@Arkay,
Sorry to hear your Dad is going through this. I’ve prayed for him and for you too.

 

[10ofRods]

No, that was Xana who said, "Is Someone Here?" DM heard her say it? She likely heard BK coming down the stairs.

I thought the fact statement was far more than I would need to convict.

I am satisfied with the evidence. If there's enough to convict, no point in going further. I thought it was way more than mere evidence of guilt. He also agreed that all of it was something of which he was guilty.

He doesn't need to hear Xana in order to plead guilty to a ton of things he does remember and can say that *he* did. It doesn't matter to me who heard X say it (not sure we even know - there are no facts about that in this case).

What matters to me is that BK admits guilt to the facts that convict him.