PLEA DEAL REACHED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #110

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I was glad to hear that he admitted putting the sheath from the knife next to MM. That was new to me. I thought maybe it was deposited without his knowledge at the time.

Also, his phone shows two selfies that are positively incriminating and ghastly. That was new to me. It's some of the most incriminating evidence.

I think this was carefully constructed so as not ty io throw shade at his poor parents, or anyone else. Including faculty and others at U of W. The statement was sanitized so to speak, to avoid mentioning any of the potential witnesses whose lives have been upended. Looks like there's more video of the car than we thought (shown parking above the house). Now we know his fingerprints were on the slider.

The fact that 6-7 defense witnesses told the judge they had nothing material to add to the case and that they did not want to testify was new. They all refused to testify on his behalf in the mitigation phase.

It wasn't part of today's facts, but apparently a kick boxing teacher in PA testified that BK never took kickboxing lessons with him - his father did, while BK merely lurked. That's in MSM and I think Kohberger was present when the person testified. Probably made him outraged, as a narcissist. Another PA witness describes a violent outburst upon his arrest. None of that is relevant in court now, but we'll see more witnesses come forward in future.

Kohberger signed away his right to appeal that.

I know we would all like more about the possibility of him stalking MM on social media, but I suspect that will be disclosed (if the evidence exists) soon enough.
Thank you, @10ofRods!

I was just referring to what Bill Thompson revealed during today’s live-streamed hearing of BK’s guilty plea.

I am way behind on this thread (and the one before it)—the thread has been moving too fast for me to keep up ever since the plea deal was announced Monday evening.

Anyway, I can’t wait to read about the additional evidence!

ETA: I see the media is having a field day after all. Good thing the gag order applies only to LE and the attorneys!
 
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I was glad to hear that he admitted putting the sheath from the knife next to MM. That was new to me. I thought maybe it was deposited without his knowledge at the time.

I don't believe I heard that.

Bill Thompson: The defendant, as he left that room, for whatever reason ended up leaving--or the sheath for a
KBAR knife was left on the bed next to Madison Mogen's body.

also BT: Business records show that the defendant began searching for a KBAR knife and a KBAR knife sheath, as the state believes, to replace the one that was left at the scene of the murders.

IMHO, Bill was saying they don't know exactly why/how the sheath ended up there---whether it was by deliberate choice or it fell out in the struggle.

I know I've often said that I "ended up leaving X" somewhere when I didn't mean that I left it with deliberate thought, with ended up=my forgetfulness/haste led to the end result that my phone wasn't with me as it should have been, it was still back at the last place I had had it.

I think his wording is too ambiguous to be able to interpret that as the prosecution saying he made a choice to put it on the bed and leave the room.
 
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I can't understand why an employer would terminate siblings of an accused murderer. I wonder why?

Snipped from article:

Bryan Kohberger’s two sisters were fired from their jobs over their familial relationship with their alleged killer brother, according to a report.

The sisters were fired despite never being implicated in the crime.

Melissa Kohberger was working as a mental health therapist in New Jersey.


Amanda was working as an actress, though NewsNation wasn’t sure whether it was the position from which she was reportedly fired.

She had starred in a gory, low-budget 2011 horror movie, “Two Days Back,” where her character was brutally stabbed, slashed and hacked to death with knives and hatchets.


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Melissa is likely the one who suspected he was involved in the murders.
It would make sense that she would see red flags, given her professional mental health background.

I can't believe people would lose their jobs for something an adult sibling living across the country did.
As if a sister is supposed to be their creepy brother's keeper from thousands of miles away.
 
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I agree, he may not tell the truth, but the reasoning for the lies may not be what some think.
If they hold the death penalty as an option they may get him to cooperate until he realizes that action may take 40 years.

I believe he will lie to save face. He will make up things that went wrong that he didn’t expect, reasons it wasn’t the perfect crime even though he planned it as such.
There is so much evidence against him because he did stupid things-
So how does a guy in a PhD program who has studied criminals make these mistakes?

He isn’t a seasoned killer, that is why. He thought book learning was the same as reality, and it turned out to be harder than he thought.
He left the knife sheath and had ordered that knife and sheath on Amazon.
He didn’t consider that people may still be coming and going during the wee hours.
He made assumptions about turning his phone off and location data.
It is clear he had no idea how many people lived in the house- or he would have looked for the two that he missed.

I wonder if he was in shock by the scene, if he was surprised by the number of people in the house, if he panicked.

There is a lot of evidence that may come out after he is sentenced- through FOIA. So many of our questions could still be answered.

What a tragedy- at least he is in custody, and will stay that way.

IMO
I think the type of person willing to do something like this is never as smart as they think they are. There is almost always evidence, except by accidental luck.
 
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I promise you AT would not have been smiling at or touching BK if she knew the fantasies BK was mentally entertaining every time he looked at her.

Right, that is why I said he ‘groomed her’. She really seemed to believe he was innocent.
 
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Bloody hell 😑

Like I cannot fathom the pain, anger and other emotions whirling round in this man but he's not doing himself any favours here.
He's encouraged members of the public to harass the judge and the state prosecutors, now he's in no uncertain words making veiled threats towards the Kohbergers!
This is awful to watch unravel.
Honestly, I get why he's angry but there are 3 other families who are going through the exact same as him and have accepted the plea deal as it means that they won't have to go through decades of drawn out appeals.

He needs to lay off this stuff 😞
Can you tell me where he's been speaking out? The judge actually addressed this in court today, he said anyone making threats will be investigated and prosecuted if warranted.
 
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A plea deal is a part of due process in many cases.
The vast majority criminal cases in the US are settled via plea agreement.
The pathway to justice isn't solely through jury trials in our legal system.
With a plea deal, the outcome is guaranteed to a much greater extent than it would be handing the case over to a jury.

We know BK is going to be locked away forever.
Forever X 4.
Plus 10 years.

He admitted to savagely snuffing out those 4 lives "willfully, unlawfully, deliberately with premeditation and malice aforethought."
The families all heard him confess his guilt to each murder.
He never would have done that had there been a jury trial.

Genuine question: What would a trial accomplish that this plea does not?
I'm trying to figure out how a court case, appeals, etc. etc. would be better than this plea deal that shuts this door. The families don't have to worry about the wound reopening again and again. I mean, it will never be over, but I imagine a trial would be drawn out and painful to be a part of. Even if they went through a trial and he got the death penalty that would be drawn out too, and imagine it doesn't give victims anything positive. Maddy's family spoke out today saying that they are thankful for this decision.
 
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Perhaps those tire treads contained the tale --
Enhanced by what the DDD saw, whether BK reparked where she had seen him or in a new spot.

I'm relieved, I think, that the DA stuck to the known outline. BK doesn't get to revel in the harrowing details or victims' anguish. Those facts alone carry probable cause over the BARD threshold so there was no need, today, to expose the carnage of what BK did nor the meat of their case, which would have convicted him a thousand times over.

That will all come out, in due course.

BK is done. No trial, no jury, no mistrial, no retrial, no acquittal, no claims of innocence, no conspiracies, no victim blaming, no appeals.

He plead guilty in open court, and showed how cold, careless, unmoved, heartless he is.

Remorse? Not capable. He probably feels he got even. Against anyone who, he has decided, ever crossed him, in reality or in his head. His family. Women. Professors. Traffic cops. Coworkers, grad students, young people guilty of nothing, just living their young college lives with exuberance and friendships and relationships and potential, everything he resented.

Someone once taught me that, when you encounter darkness, you respond to it by doubling up on good.... good has to win out, it's the only way to combat what is evil --

JMO
BBM You bring up a good point about the tire treads. I've been wondering about the expert witnesses that were gearing up to testify for the state and defense. Will they still be obligated to pay them for their planned testimony even though it didn't happen? Curious about how that works. All JMO
I remember that BK serviced his car right after returning to PA. Here’s an article about this:

According to CNN:
Kohberger's father traveled with him from Washington state to Pennsylvania, according to the public defender and a person who claims to have interacted with the father and son earlier in December.
That person, who asked not to be identified, said they did not know the father and son but engaged in friendly conversation with them at an auto maintenance shop on December 16 in Pennsylvania, while the two were getting their Elantra serviced. (A separate person also confirmed to CNN the father and son did business at the location on December 16.)

I wondered back then if Kohberger changed his tires since media had shared photos after the murders of police taking pictures of what appeared to be tire tracks on the street between 1122 King Road and the Queen Road apartments.

IMO
 
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I'm re-reading one of the books on this case, and its focus on the victims has helped ground my mind to think about the four who mattered the most:

Maddie

Kaylee

Xana

Ethan
 
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Forgive the subjectivity on this, but as I look at the recordings of BK's face today, I felt like I was looking right right into the face of the murderer as he really is. I haven't had this experience with BK in the past; he has never registered with me in this manner before. Watching him today, even without context or his words, without the "guilty," I saw BK with an entirely different face, and I think that's as close as we can safely come to seeing the face that went to Moscow that night without ending up dead. While it didn't give me chills or anything, I seriously felt like I was looking into the face and eyes of some particularly terrifying strain of madman. (Had a similar sensation once watching a Bundy interview where the reporter said something that Ted evidently didn't like.)

He'd do it again. I feel he'll be safe in prison, but jmo.

RIP Kaylee, Maddie, Ethan and Xana.
he is dangerous and is hiding his abusive temper and hatred of women. He should never have women guarding him or escorting him. I think after a while his mask will come off...because prison is going to be mind blowing...and I wonder where he will go? which prison will he be remanded to?

mOO
 
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he is dangerous and is hiding his abusive temper and hatred of women. He should never have women guarding him or escorting him. I think after a while his mask will come off...because prison is going to be mind blowing...and I wonder where he will go? which prison will he be remanded to?

mOO
Bryan Kohberger is going to get shocked what his new home will be like for the rest of his sorry life.
 
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That's the problem, too. These high publicity murderers get protected in prison by the system. Sure there are exceptions, but look at Watts, shifted away from CO where he complained about other inmates in the jail being verbally mean to him. I never heard an explanation of why he was whisked off to Wisconsin instead of to nearby Florence.
Same thing with James Holmes. They moved him to a prison in PA and refused to reveal his new location for more than a year. Not one of the 70 people he injured, nor the families of his 12 victims, knew where he was for all that time.
 
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Snipped from article:

Bryan Kohberger’s two sisters were fired from their jobs over their familial relationship with their alleged killer brother, according to a report.

The sisters were fired despite never being implicated in the crime.

Melissa Kohberger was working as a mental health therapist in New Jersey.


Amanda was working as an actress, though NewsNation wasn’t sure whether it was the position from which she was reportedly fired.

She had starred in a gory, low-budget 2011 horror movie, “Two Days Back,” where her character was brutally stabbed, slashed and hacked to death with knives and hatchets.


____________________

Melissa is likely the one who suspected he was involved in the murders.
It would make sense that she would see red flags, given her professional mental health background.

I can't believe people would lose their jobs for something an adult sibling living across the country did.
As if a sister is supposed to be their creepy brother's keeper from thousands of miles away.

that's just not right/fair
 
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Forgive the subjectivity on this, but as I look at the recordings of BK's face today, I felt like I was looking right right into the face of the murderer as he really is. I haven't had this experience with BK in the past; he has never registered with me in this manner before. Watching him today, even without context or his words, without the "guilty," I saw BK with an entirely different face, and I think that's as close as we can safely come to seeing the face that went to Moscow that night without ending up dead. While it didn't give me chills or anything, I seriously felt like I was looking into the face and eyes of some particularly terrifying strain of madman. (Had a similar sensation once watching a Bundy interview where the reporter said something that Ted evidently didn't like.)

He'd do it again. I feel he'll be safe in prison, but jmo.

RIP Kaylee, Maddie, Ethan and Xana.

that's how I feel looking at Bundy's face on the front page off WS ... it's the eyes ... I have felt the same looking at Rex Heurmann's pictures and others
 
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IT'S A GREAT consolation to me. I hope somebody 'Dahmers' him in the bathroom when he is unsuspecting or tweezing his unibrows. Just the way he did these poor 4 kids. js/moo
They do not look too kindly to the likes Bryan Kohberger. He got to be one of the most worthless person outside of Rebecca Grossman, Jose Ibarra, Lori Drew, Jeffrey Epstein, and Osama bin Laden.
 
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I'm re-reading one of the books on this case, and its focus on the victims has helped ground my mind to think about the four who:

Maddie

Kaylee

Xana

Ethan
 
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I was listening to the proceeding today again. Bryan Kohberger decided to plead guilty, which set in motion the DAs office to offer a deal? Is that how it worked? If they hadn't taken the death penalty off the table, would BK not have pled guilty? Kaylee's father sounds like it was all in the DAs hands, or the judge's hands, but they can't control what BK decides to plea only the sentence he gets. Can anyone illuminate for me? Thanks.
 
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that's just not right/fair
Lori Vallow's brother was fired from his job as a DJ, and he had told police early on that he believed she and his other brother were killers.
 
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I didn't notice this detail before. HIs sister searched his car?!

The sister reportedly pointed out Kohberger’s proximity to the scene of the murders in Moscow on November 13, 2022 - and had searched his car for clues.

 
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