PLEA DEAL REACHED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #110

[pittsburghgirl]

RSBM.

I don't remember the exact wording, but today Judge Hippler did indicate the sentences for each charge would include a possible monetary restitution to the victims for each count. (I think one was $50k & the others were $5k for each count?) So, if the judge does attach those monetary penalties to the sentence, I would imagine that any money BK made (from books, interviews, etc.) would first go to the monetary restitution requirements. (I don't know what might happen to any additional amount he might earn.)

That's just the way I interpreted what I heard today. MOO.

He also mentioned civil judgments.

 

[Boxer]

I was glad to hear that he admitted putting the sheath from the knife next to MM. That was new to me. I thought maybe it was deposited without his knowledge at the time.

Also, his phone shows two selfies that are positively incriminating and ghastly. That was new to me. It's some of the most incriminating evidence.

I think this was carefully constructed so as not ty io throw shade at his poor parents, or anyone else. Including faculty and others at U of W. The statement was sanitized so to speak, to avoid mentioning any of the potential witnesses whose lives have been upended. Looks like there's more video of the car than we thought (shown parking above the house). Now we know his fingerprints were on the slider.

The fact that 6-7 defense witnesses told the judge they had nothing material to add to the case and that they did not want to testify was new. They all refused to testify on his behalf in the mitigation phase.

It wasn't part of today's facts, but apparently a kick boxing teacher in PA testified that BK never took kickboxing lessons with him - his father did, while BK merely lurked. That's in MSM and I think Kohberger was present when the person testified. Probably made him outraged, as a narcissist. Another PA witness describes a violent outburst upon his arrest. None of that is relevant in court now, but we'll see more witnesses come forward in future.

Kohberger signed away his right to appeal that.

I know we would all like more about the possibility of him stalking MM on social media, but I suspect that will be disclosed (if the evidence exists) soon enough.

Hi - can you point me to BK's fingerprints on the slider? That is huge.

 

[Boxer]

I will not be surprised to see all four murdered victims' families file wrongful death civil suits against BK, pretty much guaranteeing that he will not profit from the murders., even if there are any loopholes in Idaho laws preventing him from profiting off them. JMO

Here is the Idaho law I posted a few days ago, pertaining to distribution of moneys received as a result of the commission of criime.

COMPENSATION OF VICTIMS OF CRIMES
19-5301. Distribution of moneys received as a result of the commission of crime. (1) Every person, firm, corporation, partnership, association or other legal entity contracting with any person or the representative or assignee of any person, accused of a crime in this state, with respect to the reenactment of such crime, by way of a movie, book, magazine article, radio or television presentation, live entertainment of any kind, or from the expression of such person’s thoughts, feelings, opinions or emotions regarding such crime, shall pay over to the state treasurer any moneys which would otherwise, by terms of such contract, be owing to the person so convicted or his representatives. The state treasurer shall deposit such moneys in an escrow account for the benefit of and payable to any victim of crimes committed by such person, provided that such person is eventually convicted of the crime or is acquitted on the ground of mental disease or defect excluding responsibility and provided further that such victim, or his personal representative, within five (5) years of the date the escrow account has been established, brings a civil action in a court of competent jurisdiction and recovers a money judgment against such person or his representatives.

Section 19-5301 – Idaho State Legislature

legislature.idaho.gov

MOO He doesn't wants to make money- just be a topic of study.

 

[realanastasia]

In my real life, I will be back in Florida where my father will be having surgery for aggressive kidney cancer on July 22nd. In such a trivial way, compared to what is happening to my dad, I was happy the judge changed it to the 23rd.

I’ll still be with him in the hospital and don’t know if I’ll get around to watching it, but at least the surgery will be over and I can try to think about other things.

I am satisfied now by the plea deal. I feel relief that we got to hear him admit to each charge, despite his nonchalance, and now we don’t need to be concerned about one potential juror thinking he’s innocent.

JMO

Just wanted to convey my late but heartfelt best wishes to you and your dad for a successful surgery and uncomplicated recovery, @Arkay.

 

[Arkay]

Just wanted to convey my late but heartfelt best wishes to you and your dad for a successful surgery and uncomplicated recovery, @Arkay.

Thank you so much, Real!!

 

[NanZDrew]

I watched this live and was blown away...although not surprised, by his lack of emotion, remorse or any type of feelings at all. His eyes always creep me out, but at the hearing they were at their most horrific...piercing, cold and demonic. So sad to think those dark pools of evil were the last thing those poor kids saw.

 

[Danaya]

A plea deal is a part of due process in many cases.
The vast majority criminal cases in the US are settled via plea agreement.
The pathway to justice isn't solely through jury trials in our legal system.
With a plea deal, the outcome is guaranteed to a much greater extent than it would be handing the case over to a jury.

We know BK is going to be locked away forever.
Forever X 4.
Plus 10 years.

He admitted to savagely snuffing out those 4 lives "willfully, unlawfully, deliberately with premeditation and malice aforethought."
The families all heard him confess his guilt to each murder.
He never would have done that had there been a jury trial.

Genuine question: What would a trial accomplish that this plea does not?

You're right—plea deals are common in the U.S. But applying that logic here is misleading, because this isn’t a routine case. It isn't comparable to the majority of criminal cases.

This was a premeditated quadruple homicide. There was overwhelming evidence.

Men have been sentenced to death in this country for far less.

I have to question it, because not to just feels wrong to me.

The phrase "four life sentences" gives an illusion of added severity. In reality, we all get one life. Bryan Kohberger will live out the rest of his in prison. Probably receiving fan mail. That doesn’t move me.

Would this kind of leniency be granted if he fit a different profile? Would the outcome have been the same? This isn't just about Kohberger. It's about inequality.

Sure, he uttered the world "guilty" in his dead monotone. But it was full of smug emptiness. His admission doesn't justify a lighter sentence. He doesn't get points for following through with the procedure. It only reinforces that the state had every legal and moral RIGHT to seek the harshest penalty.

A trial would've accomplished so, so much more than this. A trial would accomplish transparency, cross-examination, the airing of all evidence, real accountability. It would have allowed the full scope of the case to be made public. It would have ensured the justice system was working.

I need to take a break from this case. I have never felt so much outrage, so much grief, or so much sadness in response to a plea deal. My heart just breaks for those kids. I can not understand how somebody could do this, I keep seeing Kaylee Goncalves smiling face. And her father rallying for justice.

 

[Arkay]

@Arkay, I hope your dad’s surgery goes well.

Thank you so much, Teche.

 

[LadyL]

I will not be surprised to see all four murdered victims' families file wrongful death civil suits against BK, pretty much guaranteeing that he will not profit from the murders., even if there are any loopholes in Idaho laws preventing him from profiting off them. JMO

Here is the Idaho law I posted a few days ago, pertaining to distribution of moneys received as a result of the commission of criime.

COMPENSATION OF VICTIMS OF CRIMES
19-5301. Distribution of moneys received as a result of the commission of crime. (1) Every person, firm, corporation, partnership, association or other legal entity contracting with any person or the representative or assignee of any person, accused of a crime in this state, with respect to the reenactment of such crime, by way of a movie, book, magazine article, radio or television presentation, live entertainment of any kind, or from the expression of such person’s thoughts, feelings, opinions or emotions regarding such crime, shall pay over to the state treasurer any moneys which would otherwise, by terms of such contract, be owing to the person so convicted or his representatives. The state treasurer shall deposit such moneys in an escrow account for the benefit of and payable to any victim of crimes committed by such person, provided that such person is eventually convicted of the crime or is acquitted on the ground of mental disease or defect excluding responsibility and provided further that such victim, or his personal representative, within five (5) years of the date the escrow account has been established, brings a civil action in a court of competent jurisdiction and recovers a money judgment against such person or his representatives.

Section 19-5301 – Idaho State Legislature

legislature.idaho.gov

thanks
glad to see that

 

[NanZDrew]

You're right—plea deals are common in the U.S. But applying that logic here is misleading, because this isn’t a routine case. It isn't comparable to the majority of criminal cases.

This was a premeditated quadruple homicide. There was overwhelming evidence.

Men have been sentenced to death in this country for far less.

I have to question it, because not to just feels wrong to me.

The phrase "four life sentences" gives an illusion of added severity. In reality, we all get one life. Bryan Kohberger will live out the rest of his in prison. Probably receiving fan mail. That doesn’t move me.

Would this kind of leniency be granted if he fit a different profile? Would the outcome have been the same? This isn't just about Kohberger. It's about inequality.

Sure, he uttered the world "guilty" in his dead monotone. But it was full of smug emptiness. His admission doesn't justify a lighter sentence. He doesn't get points for following through with the procedure. It only reinforces that the state had every legal and moral RIGHT to seek the harshest penalty.

A trial would've accomplished so, so much more than this. A trial would accomplish transparency, cross-examination, the airing of all evidence, real accountability. It would have allowed the full scope of the case to be made public. It would have ensured the justice system was working.

I need to take a break from this case. I have never felt so much outrage, so much grief, or so much sadness in response to a plea deal. My heart just breaks for those kids. I can not understand how somebody could do this, I keep seeing Kaylee Goncalves smiling face. And her father rallying for justice.

I completely agree, Danaya. This is a dream for from. He'll be away from the general population and not have to deal with people. He is a total antisocial. He has free room and board, a computer, and all the time in the world to study criminology, write, read about himself and have no responsibilities. It is his dream life.

 

[browneyes]

Just wanted to convey my late but heartfelt best wishes to you and your dad for a successful surgery and uncomplicated recovery, @Arkay.

Adding my best wishes as well. Safe travels.

 

[Arkay]

Adding my best wishes as well. Safe travels.

Thank you so much!

 

[iamshadow21]

I share your wish that BK had been required to provide the location of the murder weapon and his motive for murdering at least one of the students.

However, I think that Bill Thompson implied during today’s court hearing where the State thinks BK deposited the murder weapon: in one of Idaho’s rivers.

I can now easily report the relevant part of today’s hearing now that the transcript is available (of course it appeared shortly after I spent an hour—well, it seemed that long, at least, lol—transcribing a very short part of the hearing myself to check the accuracy of my memory of Bill Thompson’s recitation of the events immediately before, during and after the murders):

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So, did BK really throw the murder weapon into either the Snake River or the Clear Water River in Lewiston, Idaho—the state’s seaport? Only BK knows (unless, of course, Bill Thompson is being coy).

Was anyone else surprised by how little new evidence was revealed during today’s hearing?

We now know that BK parked in the elevated parking area behind the house (as many speculated here), that police found a bucket of cleaner right next to BK’s car (love that little detail!), and that his car was meticulously cleaned (as stated in the first Dateline episode about the murders).

Perhaps Bill Thompson revealed so little new evidence, sticking mostly to what we already knew, so he could tamp down the media response until after BK is sentenced and the gag order is lifted.

IMO

I was right! The moment we saw the map of his phone movements, I said, the knife and the clothes and anything else he used was in the Snake River. I can't link back, but I know I've said it before when disposal has been raised here over the years.

MOO

 

[Vaderman]

To recap today, Bryan Kohberger is GUILTY.

Bryan Kohberger pleads guilty to murders of 4 University of Idaho students

An Idaho judge accepted Bryan Kohberger's guilty plea in the murders of four University of Idaho students.

www.usatoday.com

Bryan Kohberger pleaded guilty to the murders of four University of Idaho students as part of a plea deal to avoid the death penalty more than two years after the slayings shocked the nation and touched off a coast-to-coast manhunt.

Kohberger, 30, admitted to carrying out the gruesome killings and agreed to the terms of the plea deal – four consecutive life sentences and no chance of appeal. Judge Steven Hippler opted on July 2 to accept the agreement, which has divided the victims’ families.

 

[mickey2942]

I completely agree, Danaya. This is a dream for from. He'll be away from the general population and not have to deal with people. He is a total antisocial. He has free room and board, a computer, and all the time in the world to study criminology, write, read about himself and have no responsibilities. It is his dream life.

That is my dream life too. But I don't want to kill anyone.

 

[iamshadow21]

To recap today, Bryan Kohberger is GUILTY.

Bryan Kohberger pleads guilty to murders of 4 University of Idaho students

An Idaho judge accepted Bryan Kohberger's guilty plea in the murders of four University of Idaho students.

www.usatoday.com

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Bryan Kohberger pleaded guilty to the murders of four University of Idaho students as part of a plea deal to avoid the death penalty more than two years after the slayings shocked the nation and touched off a coast-to-coast manhunt.

Kohberger, 30, admitted to carrying out the gruesome killings and agreed to the terms of the plea deal – four consecutive life sentences and no chance of appeal. Judge Steven Hippler opted on July 2 to accept the agreement, which has divided the victims’ families.

He looks emaciated.

MOO

 

[LinasK]

I was listening to the proceeding today again. Bryan Kohberger decided to plead guilty, which set in motion the DAs office to offer a deal? Is that how it worked? If they hadn't taken the death penalty off the table, would BK not have pled guilty? Kaylee's father sounds like it was all in the DAs hands, or the judge's hands, but they can't control what BK decides to plea only the sentence he gets. Can anyone illuminate for me? Thanks.

I think his defense attorney offered it and the prosecution accepted.

 

[angelainwi]

Adding my best wishes as well. Safe travels.

More best wishes for you and your dad. Praying for best case scenario <3

 

[LinasK]

I think something motivated him to skip the trial. MOO, is it could have been leverage by his parents. Having someone on the outside to put money on your commissary is huge. If they told him they would help him out if he skipped the trial, that may have been a big deal.

The handwriting was already on the wall, as AT was focused more on Mitigation of the death penalty phase. So, he was already going to prison. He accepted that.

I think Anne Taylor had a "Come to Jesus" moment with him, told him he didn't have much of a defense left, and that facing the Death Penalty in Idaho was a very real possibility for him.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

IMO a prosecutor is always open to a deal and defense lawyers know that.

It always entirely depends on the defence: how adamant is the accused and how ambitious is the lawyer.

For eg, some believe Richard Allen would have accepted a plea deal but his lawyers - and perhaps his wife - were not going to allow it.

I think the plea deal is like any other negotiation. Either side can test the waters and see what the other side is open to. In this case, the defense initiated the deal, likely because BK has no defense. The prosecution then can decide what they're willing to give--in this case LWOP with no appeal, which essentially means no firing squad.

In sports terms, Team 1 has Player A and is willing to trade him for Player B on the other team. The team that wants the deal makes an offer; the other team can say "no thanks" or "that's not enough" and make a counteroffer. The talks may go nowhere or end in a deal. It's pretty much the same as making an offer on a house (in a rational real estate market) or mediating a divorce settlement.