4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #101

[MassGuy]

I need to ask. Has it ever been proven, except for the traffic stop and citation, that his vehicle was identified as being near the scene? I know his phone pinged, and of course I know a car that looks like his was on video, but was it ever proven that it was his? (Serious question, not trying to be a bozo)

Not definitively. They were never able to read a plate number or anything. It just matches the make, model, color, year range, and the fact that it only had one license plate.

 

[Ghostwheel]

Not definitively. They were never able to read a plate number or anything. It just matches the make, model, color, year range, and the fact that it only had one license plate.

Much obliged!

 

[SteveP]

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For him to be innocent, one would need to accept a scenario where: (a) his DNA was coincidentally or deliberately planted on the sheath, (b) his car and phone were near the scene by chance or due to someone else’s actions, and (c) all this aligns with a criminology student’s profile unrelated to the crime. Each piece compounds the improbability—multiplying small fractions like 0.01 (1%) for DNA misplacement, 0.05 (5%) for vehicle coincidence, and 0.10 (10%) for phone data misalignment yields a combined probability well under 0.1% (1 in 1,000).

I would place the odds of him being innocent at maybe about 1 in 5 octillion. Just sayin'..MO

 

[Gigiky]

I think the most he can hope for is not getting the DP. JMO

 

[SteveP]

I think the most he can hope for is not getting the DP. JMO

There are 9 people on death row in Idaho, and the last time a death penalty was carried out was in 2012. Based on that alone, I think there is at least a chance that he can avoid the dp if (when) convicted. I agree with you though. I think that is the best outcome he can reasonably even hope for. I do not believe he will ever draw another breath as a free man. JMO

 

[Gigiky]

There are 9 people on death row in Idaho, and the last time a death penalty was carried out was in 2012. Based on that alone, I think there is at least a chance that he can avoid the dp if (when) convicted. I agree with you though. I think that is the best outcome he can reasonably even hope for. I do not believe he will ever draw another breath as a free man. JMO

We can only hope. MO

 

[Karin1974]

I could not disagree with you more.
These young people deserve zero criticism.
How easy to do that when you are looking from a completely detached position with the advantage of hindsight, with no emotional attachment to anyone involved.
They were in the middle of it, living it as it happened. I think more likely they fell asleep from exhaustion and assuring each other things will be OK when they wake up.

IMO - It’s not criticism just because it’s not understood. None of the explanations make sense to me is all. I thought it would be obvious if you’re ’terrified’ to simply call 911. I’m interested to hear from them why they didn’t do that so perhaps I can understand better but I am in no way criticising them, I’d just like a better understanding, because to me, the situation screamed ‘call 911’. In horror movies, no one ever turns on the lights or simply gets out of the house to get help so maybe it is truer to real life than I imagined? Or maybe it’s as simple as, I’ve never really felt terrified so I don’t really know what I would do if I was, I can only imagine what I’d do, not what I’d actually do perhaps. MOO

 

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[Kemug]

I don't really believe this, but - let's say this event was the beginning of what BK intended to be a career as a serial killer. He wanted to finally be important and noticed. He wanted to receive "due credit". So he wanted a "gimmick", something about his crimes to make him special. His own "calling card". Maybe by leaving a knife sheath at the scene of every crime. Maybe he already owned several? More than he had knives? Maybe he had a buried cache of knife sheaths somewhere. I know, not very likely. But at least this theory would allow for the knife not matching the sheath.

 

[MassGuy]

I don't really believe this, but - let's say this event was the beginning of what BK intended to be a career as a serial killer. He wanted to finally be important and noticed. He wanted to receive "due credit". So he wanted a "gimmick", something about his crimes to make him special. His own "calling card". Maybe by leaving a knife sheath at the scene of every crime. Maybe he already owned several? More than he had knives? Maybe he had a buried cache of knife sheaths somewhere. I know, not very likely. But at least this theory would allow for the knife not matching the sheath.

He was so concerned about forensics, that I just don't see him taking a chance like that. If he wanted credit down the line, he could achieve that after the fact by mentioning something only the killer would know. He just wouldn't be comfortable enough to be thinking about something like that at the time, I don't think.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I think another thing to keep in mind is that this roommate group had only lived together for a few months and seems to have been somewhat cobbled together to fill all six rooms. They weren't a strong friend group who had done everything together since freshman year and were very familiar with each other when they moved in. Reactions and responses may be very different when you know people well and have lived together a while versus being new roommates.
JMO

Kaylee and Maddie were extremely close lifelong friends. Maddie and Xana worked together also, so I think they were probably knew each other more than BF knew the rest of the group. IIRC she had moved into the house fairly recently.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Just thinking about the defense argument that his phone showed him going in a different direction prior to it going dark. I had chalked it up to the defense being wrong, or BK just taking a strange route.

I now think this was intentional on his part, and he wanted to create a false trail away from Moscow before shutting off his phone. This jibes with his phone appearing nowhere near Moscow when it finally came back online after the murders.

He was trying to outsmart law enforcement.

Agreed, BK had this preplanned much more than we thought originally IMO. It's helpful that we're seeing the sealed documents now, it certainly makes things clearer. At least for me anyway.

MOO

 

[MassGuy]

Agreed, BK had this preplanned much more than we thought originally IMO. It's helpful that we're seeing the sealed documents now, it certainly makes things clearer. At least for me anyway.

MOO

These are the documents I want to see, the one the judge alluded to on January 23 in response to the defense talking about no DNA in the car.

 

[girlhasnoname]

There are 9 people on death row in Idaho, and the last time a death penalty was carried out was in 2012. Based on that alone, I think there is at least a chance that he can avoid the dp if (when) convicted. I agree with you though. I think that is the best outcome he can reasonably even hope for. I do not believe he will ever draw another breath as a free man. JMO

If the State has the evidence I think they do have, they won't take the DP off the table IMO. Depending on the authenticity and nature of the mitigating factors the Defense will present before sentencing, they may have some sway from all 12 jurors agreeing to the DP.

I don't believe it will, as I think BK had this massacre well planned in advance. I think he wanted to experience 'killing' and thought he was smart enough to get away with it. If ever there is a case for the DP, this certainly would qualify IMO.

 

[girlhasnoname]

These are the documents I want to see, the one the judge alluded to on January 23 in response to the defense talking about no DNA in the car.

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Wow, me too. It's a theory that we've tossed around from the beginning. BK is toast IMO.

 

[Megnut]

Ha! Changed direction after shutting his phone off and must have forgot to account for CCTV surveillance cameras catching vehicle that looks very similar to his (imo it was his) doing the loop da loop (circling) in area of the murder house just prior to going in to commit the massacre, and speeding away from the scene after.

With all the various Digital trails people leave these days and CCTV surveillance cameras just about everywhere, makes it harder to get away with crime/murder so much so that even highly educated, intelligent perpetrators are getting tripped up/ caught a lot faster these days thanks to digital forensics which I’ve heard and read some LE/investigators refer to as the ‘new’ DNA with r/t solving crimes.

IMHOO

For sure! CAST reports are the new DNA.

Plus, AT would have us believe that these late night/ early morning drives were 1. nowhere near 1122 and 2. had nothing to do with 1122 but we will learn 1. what time late night/ early morning is. Big difference IMO between 10 pm and 3 am. Big difference between 6 am and 3 am. If he was out those nights at 3 am, why? and 2. why was he out driving at all? where was he driving?

Now that @MassGuy has pointed out BK's clever little attempt at diversion, it's crazy funny that AT tried to USE it to suggest he innocent and the State's whole theory is wrong. Instead of providing ANY kind of workable alibi (which direction he drove an hour before the crime doesn't preclude him from changing direction), AT actually HIGHLIGHTED yet another deliberate step BK took to disguise his crime!

BK is NEVER going to get around his digital black out during the exact timeframe the crimes occurred.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

I still wonder if BK took any steps to obscure his one license plate.

JMO

 

[LinasK]

FYI, tonight's 20/20 featured Othram. They also briefly showed a headline from the case. David Muir interviewed the heads of Othram- a husband and wife team. They claimed that their technology yields from 100,000 to a million data points.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I need to ask. Has it ever been proven, except for the traffic stop and citation, that his vehicle was identified as being near the scene? I know his phone pinged, and of course I know a car that looks like his was on video, but was it ever proven that it was his? (Serious question, not trying to be a bozo)

The PCA stated that BK had made approx. 12 trips according to cell data to the location of the house on Kings where the murders took place, from August - November, usually very late at night/early morning. He was ticketed for no seat belt during one of those trips so we know it was BK.

The night of the murders the State has CCTV from different locations alleging it was BK and his vehicle. I think we'll have to wait to see if it is proven correct at trial. Dueling CAST expert testimony.

MOO

 

[Megnut]

The PCA stated that BK had made approx. 12 trips according to cell data to the location of the house on Kings where the murders took place, from August - November, usually very late at night/early morning. He was ticketed for no seat belt during one of those trips so we know it was BK.

The night of the murders the State has CCTV from different locations alleging it was BK and his vehicle. I think we'll have to wait to see if it is proven correct at trial. Dueling CAST expert testimony.

MOO

Dealing CAST expert testimony where one has a banjo and the other has... nothing.

JMO