4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #101

[arielilane]

For anyone who may find this helpful:

https://www.newsnationnow.com/crime/idaho-college-killings/idaho-judge-unseals-bryan-kohberger-closed-hearing-transcripts/

022125 Transcript Redacted Hearing Held Jan23 2025 by mhobenexstar on Scribd

https://www.scribd.com/document/832122545/022125-Transcript-Redacted-Hearing-Held-Jan23-2025#from_embed

 

[BUF]

I did find it interesting that DM had drawings of eyes on her walls, before the murders.

Was she possibly an art major?

 

[BUF]

Scheduled for April 9th, according to the latest case summary. Originally scheduled for April 3rd but state and defense stipulated to extending out the deadlines to submit and reply to MILS in late Jan IIRC. Judge granted a subsequent motion and then elected to change the hearing date for a week later.

Last page or so of below.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/Summary/Current-Case-Summary.pdf

@Niner

 

[Deleted member 235284]

The way I read it, is that this probability calculation didn't exclude Kohberger. Further testing apparently did exclude him though. The latter is all that matters here, so I'm of the opinion there is no DNA from BK under her fingernails.

This document seems to be saying that, and common sense would indicate that as well. I just don't believe any victim had that opportunity during a blitz style stabbing attack, in which most of his body would have been covered up.

Right ty that makes perfect sense to me.

 

[SteveP]

The way I read it, is that this probability calculation didn't exclude Kohberger. Further testing apparently did exclude him though. The latter is all that matters here, so I'm of the opinion there is no DNA from BK under her fingernails.

This document seems to be saying that, and common sense would indicate that as well. I just don't believe any victim had that opportunity during a blitz style stabbing attack, in which most of his body would have been covered up.

I agree completely. I know that KG's dad has said that she put up a helluva fight, and stated that her wounds were worse than those of all of the other victims. If MM was killed first, and I really believe that she was, (I still believe that she was the primary target, or at the very least, one of two) KG MAY have had time to rise and attempt to resist, but I have to believe any resistance that she may have offered would likely have been in trying to protect herself, and not in aggressively attacking the killer. I doubt that kind of resistance would have resulted in getting the killer's DNA under her nails, especially as so little of his bare skin was exposed. As to the victims, other than perhaps KG, I agree that they likely never had any opportunity to fight back, sadly. JMO

 

[Megnut]

I agree completely. I know that KG's dad stated that she put up a helluva fight, and implied or stated that her wounds were worse than those of all of the other victims. If MM was killed first, and I really believe that she was, (I still believe that she was the primary target, or at th every least one of two) KG MAY have had time to wake and attempt to resist, but I have to believe any resistance that she may have offered would likely have been in trying to protect herself, and not aggressively attacking the killer. I doubt that kind of resistance would have resulted in getting the killer's DNA under her nails. As to the victims, other than perhaps KG, I agree that they likely never had any opportunity to fight back, sadly. JMO

I wonder if the timeline will be successfully reverse engineered. And how accurate DM's recall, what she heard and in what order.

I still have a question about MM's door. Why wasn't it locked? Or was it? Or was it propped open? Or was KG awake? Did she go investigate whatever disturbed Murphy? Murphy might have been responding to danger and KG was trying to quiet him for the sleeping roommates' benefits. She could have looked out a window and seen the Door Dash driver/vehicle or BK, quickly darted back to wake MM, "there's someone there" and BK got his foot in the door... MM still wouldn't have had time to react and KG would have been fighting for her life, with nowhere to go, cornered by the bed itself.

If everybody had been asleep, would everyone have been asleep behind locked doors? Would BK have made entry? Weird series of seemingly random event, misfortunes, that resulted in this massacre?

How did he expect to get through those doors? And was he aware of the challenges?

He wasn't there to steal IMO.

He vane prepared. For murder.

JMO

 

[Cindizzi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1897245744257487320

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article301434289.html

 

[SteveP]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1897245744257487320

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article301434289.html

I think I have a better chance of winning the lottery, than the defense has of getting some of these motions granted, and I don't play the lottery. JMO

 

[Diddian]

I believe he knew females lived there, and he had seen them come and go during those scouting missions. It could have been as simple as him happening to drive by one day, and one of them caught his eye. I don't see him ever joining a party though. Everything that's come out has painted a picture of a social awkward man, who just wouldn't fit in at a setting like that.

I'm totally open to him having been inside before, but I'm not sure it was necessary. At a minimum though, I think he knew that sliding door would be open. He knew he'd be using it, and the only way that would be the case was if he knew it wasn't going to be locked. He'd have tried it previously.

I have a vague recollection of LE placing a kitchen stool as a barrier (like some use a broomstick) to hold that sliding door shut after they began investigating. So, I wonder whether the lock on that sliding door even worked, or perhaps was forced and broken on the night of the murders.

Sliding patio doors with single-point locks are notorious for being easy to open by lifting that lock and/or by lifting the door out of its track to defeat the lock. So I assume it is possible that LE used the stool as barrier to avoid that possibility.

 

[iamshadow21]

I have a vague recollection of LE placing a kitchen stool as a barrier (like some use a broomstick) to hold that sliding door shut after they began investigating. So, I wonder whether the lock on that sliding door even worked, or perhaps was forced and broken on the night of the murders.

Sliding patio doors with single-point locks are notorious for being easy to open by lifting that lock and/or by lifting the door out of its track to defeat the lock. So I assume it is possible that LE used the stool as barrier to avoid that possibility.

I think they did it to stop anyone from the outside coming in and walking all over their crime scene. Be they cops, CSI, or reporters. Restricting access to the front door for everyone controls the scene and makes sense, especially as the house had no fencing and could be approached on foot from any direction.

MOO

 

[Balthazar]

Now we know that DM made her way downstairs to BF's bedroom and spent the early morning hours until noon sleeping in there. There is still the blood on the bannister leading downstairs which is reported mixed M&F DNA. So, especially now, I am really wondering why LE didn't test that sample to confirm what went on inside that house? I would expect one of the following results:

Victim/unknown male
DM/unknown male
I am hoping that, at least, LE knows the unknown male DNA is NOT EC. However, if they have not determined that then the other possibilities are:
Victim/EC
DM/EC

The question is where did the blood come from? If it was DM/unknown male or DM/EC, then where did DM encounter the blood to get it on the bannister? If it was a victim/unknown male, then did BF/DM hear or see someone come down to the 1st floor? I think it is important to investigate thoroughly and to, inasmuch is possible, confirm what BF and DM told LE via any physical evidence available.

 

[wendy44]

I agree completely. I know that KG's dad has said that she put up a helluva fight, and stated that her wounds were worse than those of all of the other victims. If MM was killed first, and I really believe that she was, (I still believe that she was the primary target, or at the very least, one of two) KG MAY have had time to rise and attempt to resist, but I have to believe any resistance that she may have offered would likely have been in trying to protect herself, and not in aggressively attacking the killer. I doubt that kind of resistance would have resulted in getting the killer's DNA under her nails, especially as so little of his bare skin was exposed. As to the victims, other than perhaps KG, I agree that they likely never had any opportunity to fight back, sadly. JMO

We'll probably find out at trial based on blood evidence (MM and KG's blood found with EC and XK or vice versa) but I'm kind of thinking the order is MM, KG, EC, XK based on the judge almost always listing the victims in that order. Just my own speculation.
JMO

 

[wendy44]

Now we know that DM made her way downstairs to BF's bedroom and spent the early morning hours until noon sleeping in there. There is still the blood on the bannister leading downstairs which is reported mixed M&F DNA. So, especially now, I am really wondering why LE didn't test that sample to confirm what went on inside that house? I would expect one of the following results:

Victim/unknown male
DM/unknown male
I am hoping that, at least, LE knows the unknown male DNA is NOT EC. However, if they have not determined that then the other possibilities are:
Victim/EC
DM/EC

The question is where did the blood come from? If it was DM/unknown male or DM/EC, then where did DM encounter the blood to get it on the bannister? If it was a victim/unknown male, then did BF/DM hear or see someone come down to the 1st floor? I think it is important to investigate thoroughly and to, inasmuch is possible, confirm what BF and DM told LE via any physical evidence available.

BBM--where is this reported?
JMO

 

[Boxer]

I don't think we knew that as fact, I wonder if and when BK was officially diagnosed?

EBM: For clarity

"On the spectrum" is AT's way of saying BK is guilty.
Grasping at some version of the idea that someone is incapable of murder because they don't understand it and deserves some kind of clemency.

 

[Megnut]

"On the spectrum" is AT's way of saying BK is guilty.
Grasping at some version of the idea that someone is incapable of murder because they don't understand it and deserves some kind of clemency.

Except he did (understand it). He planned it, orchestrated it, took steps before and after to hide it.

This wasn't a situation where BK was suddenly in a situation he couldn't process and somehow overreacted. He didn't shake a baby because he didn't know better. He came in hot, dressed and armed to kill, and selected a soft victim or victims who would be asleep and defenseless against ambush by military blade.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

I did find it interesting that DM had drawings of eyes on her walls, before the murders.

Agree, that makes her statement even more convincing IMO because she seems to be more aware of them in general.

JMO

 

[Cindizzi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1897379024915312644

 

[Nila Aella]

Now we know that DM made her way downstairs to BF's bedroom and spent the early morning hours until noon sleeping in there. There is still the blood on the bannister leading downstairs which is reported mixed M&F DNA. So, especially now, I am really wondering why LE didn't test that sample to confirm what went on inside that house?
I would expect one of the following results:

Victim/unknown male
DM/unknown male
I am hoping that, at least, LE knows the unknown male DNA is NOT EC.
However, if they have not determined that then the other possibilities are:
Victim/EC
DM/EC

The question is where did the blood come from? If it was DM/unknown male or DM/EC, then where did DM encounter the blood to get it on the bannister? If it was a victim/unknown male, then did BF/DM hear or see someone come down to the 1st floor? I think it is important to investigate thoroughly and to, inasmuch is possible, confirm what BF and DM told LE via any physical evidence available.

Per the latest documents

Page 2 footnotes

3While Item Q1.1 was tested for DNA, it was never subjected to standard biological testing for the presence of blood or saliva.

4The other two male profiles, identified in the ISP lab reports as Unknown B and Unknown D, were never run through CODIS or subjected to IGG testing. The defense has never received an explanation as to why these two male profiles were not further investigated.

Page 10 Blood stains on the back of the sheath
An area identified as Q1.4, “swabs of stains on back” of the sheath, tested presumptively positive for blood and was DNA tested. Mr. Kohberger was excluded from this particular sample which was identified as a mixture.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01...Rylene-Nowlin-Reference-Touch-Contact-DNA.pdf
JMO

 

[MassGuy]

Per the latest documents

Page 2 footnotes

3While Item Q1.1 was tested for DNA, it was never subjected to standard biological testing for the presence of blood or saliva.

4The other two male profiles, identified in the ISP lab reports as Unknown B and Unknown D, were never run through CODIS or subjected to IGG testing. The defense has never received an explanation as to why these two male profiles were not further investigated.

Page 10 Blood stains on the back of the sheath
An area identified as Q1.4, “swabs of stains on back” of the sheath, tested presumptively positive for blood and was DNA tested. Mr. Kohberger was excluded from this particular sample which was identified as a mixture.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01...Rylene-Nowlin-Reference-Touch-Contact-DNA.pdf
JMO

So the defense wanted a preliminary test to detect blood or saliva, instead of, you know, just performing DNA testing on an obviously bloody sheath, found at the scene of a bloody homicide.

And IGG on the two unidentified samples:

First, good luck getting IGG approval for a blood sample found only in a location the killer wouldn't have been, outside the immediate crime scenes, and found absolutely nowhere else. I posted the DOJ guidelines before, and one requirement is that you have to believe it is direct suspect DNA, and the evidence strongly points away from that:

Witness only saw one person. There should be blood evidence in other locations if he cut himself. You already have a sample that you know with near certainty, belongs to the killer (outside the investigation that came as a result).

What's the payoff?

Getting sued into oblivion when you've identified an innocent person as a possible murder suspect, despite knowing better, something the defense would absolutely use to make their argument that their client is innocent.

What's one more ruined life, and a lawsuit though?

 

[Boxer]

Except he did (understand it). He planned it, orchestrated it, took steps before and after to hide it.

This wasn't a situation where BK was suddenly in a situation he couldn't process and somehow overreacted. He didn't shake a baby because he didn't know better. He came in hot, dressed and armed to kill, and selected a soft victim or victims who would be asleep and defenseless against ambush by military blade.

JMO

Exactly.
MOO:
100 out of 100 people know when someone is actually insensible to their actions having resulted being murder.
MOO
It's the law that just can't define it properly on paper and defenses take advantage.

Like the worst case of hiding a the real reason to let rich kid off - MOO "Affluenza."

Thisnia is just a another defense using something trendy thats only available to a certain class.