4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #101

[Karin1974]

interesting. That article used the plural for masks. I wonder if they will ask the witness about them at trial and see if she recognises any of them if they havent already done so.

IMO - Or like in the OJ trial & make BK try one of these masks on during trial. Ugh, how terrifyingly frightful that would be for DM. MOO

 

[NCWatcher]

A sheath and knife are a functional unit; the sheath is custom made for that specific knife.

A sheath isn’t just a holder—it’s an extension of the knife. Without a knife, a sheath has no purpose. It should not be there unless the knife itself was present. Especially considering it had blood on it.

Finding a bloody Kbar sheath at a stabbing scene is like finding a gun’s magazine next to bullet-riddled bodies. I'd argue its logical the sheath is connected to the murder weapon, just like a magazine would logically be connected to the shooting victims.

I'd also argue that it's completely illogical to argue otherwise.

You can argue whatever opinion you wish, of course. But espousing a viewpoint/perspective/opinion while calling opposing views "illogical" doesn't make your view objectively true.

A knife and a sheath may be a matched set but in this case, the murder knife (assuming there was only one) has not been located. So, no, you've not convinced me the sheath is part of the missing knife.
MOO

 

[Boxer]

House was completely renovated and the staircase and bannister where the blood was found was only built in 2019 and the house was not occupied until 2020. People don't normally go to each others houses and bleed all over the place. Considering what had happened in the house, it is more likely than not that it was a fresh bloodstain. Everyone who went in that house after the murders said blood was everywhere and it was a real mess. When I watched CSI process the house on TV, you could see they spent a lot of time in the living room and around the bannister on the second floor with swabs. They were also very interested in the bathroom on that floor. IMO, it would not be surprising for DM to have come into contact with blood in that area. She may or may not have felt it. Certainly, I've found something on my hand that I didn't know how it got there. That's not unusual. My main concern is LE had some evidence that it does not appear they completely investigated. If that was DM's DNA on the bannister, it would support her story.

Have you seen some of the part footage from the house?
A blood spot on a bannister doesnt look out place.

 

[MassGuy]

You can argue whatever opinion you wish, of course. But espousing a viewpoint/perspective/opinion while calling opposing views "illogical" doesn't make your view objectively true.

A knife and a sheath may be a matched set but in this case, the murder knife (assuming there was only one) has not been located. So, no, you've not convinced me the sheath is part of the missing knife.
MOO

Would you at least concede that it is overwhelmingly likely?

I would love to hear a logical explanation for that kbar knife sheath not belonging to a murder weapon, despite it being covered in blood, and the victims murdered with a fixed blade knife.

Do you have one?

 

[Megnut]

Not that it matters, but I don't think that is correct. Originally a two-story structure, 1122 was turned into a three-story home in the year 2000 after the rear was extended. A first floor staircase to the second floor must always have existed in some fashion, and we can observe the same stairwell in the rear planning application. The stairwell has existed since at least 2000.



The only information we have is a "blood spot" on the first- to second-floor hand rail. Not on the same level as XK/EC or MM/KG. Something that may have been caused by a student nicking their finger on a can of beer, for all we know.

That blood could EASILY have been left by whoever installed the handrail.

College house, how often do you suppose that handrail was cleaned? Ever?

And how often do college kids even use a handrail?

Even underused, it's likely it was used occasionally and it's possible that touch DNA was left and ONLY collected because, presumably, a presumptive test indicated for the blood and the touch DNA came along for the ride. If it really is a mixture.

There really is no evidence IMO to support one spot of blood on that particular handrail being connected to crime scene blood.

JMO

 

[Sweeper2000]

a sheaf found in a house full of the bodies of murdered people and a sheaf in a house to which it does not belong is ofc suspect. how did it get there? to whom does it belong? does the knife that belongs in this particular sheaf match the diameter of the wounds on the bodies ? who took it there? etc

IMO - Or like in the OJ trial & make BK try one of these masks on during trial. Ugh, how terrifyingly frightful that would be for DM. MOO

i hadnt thought of that tbh. especially if she is having flashbacks and stuff. those eyes staring at you as well.

 

[Nila Aella]

Yes--and she went on to say:

If it was designated as Unknown Male B, again, I don't know if it was from a mixed sample or not.

The way AT asks her does imply that she knows this to be true so maybe the defense did their own testing and we can speculate about it, but I don't think there's been any testimony or report for us to know this is a fact.
JMO

IMO AT has seen the reports and knows what the evidence is.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

Yeah, a sheath is not a neutral or multipurpose object, especially not when found by the body of a stabbing victim.

It's not like a cup, or a chair, or an item of clothing, something that could mean something but could also mean absolutely nothing about the crime.

MOO

Even the judge thought it not insignificant.

 

[Karin1974]

At this point surely AT has ask BK how he thinks his DNA got on that sheath. I would love too have been a fly on the wall to hear that conversation. JMO

IMO - I believe AT is smart enough to exactly how his DNA got on that sheath. MOO

 

[MassGuy]

Even the judge thought it not insignificant.

Taylor acknowledged that is the most significant issue ahead at trial. “I mean, that’s the ultimate question that will be before a jury,” Taylor said. “What does a knife sheath at a scene mean?”

Hippler shot back: “If you’re killed with a knife, that probably means a lot.” “It might,” she said.

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article299620254.html

 

[Sweeper2000]

especially if its got dna on it.

 

[NCWatcher]

Would you at least concede that it is overwhelmingly likely?

I would love to hear a logical explanation for that kbar knife sheath not belonging to a murder weapon, despite it being covered in blood, and the victims murdered with a fixed blade knife.

Do you have one?

I've stated my view as clearly as I can. It's obvious that you do not agree. That's fine. But I really have no interest in continuing to debate with you over what is a matter of opinion on both our parts.
MOO

 

[MassGuy]

I've stated my view as clearly as I can. It's obvious that you do not agree. That's fine. But I really have no interest in continuing to debate with you over what is a matter of opinion on both our parts.
MOO

You're giving both opinions an equal weight, which is not a fair comparison.

One has overwhelming evidence to support it, and the other has absolutely none; not even a logical explanation for the basis of that opinion.

If you don't have an answer, that's fine. I'm done discussing it anyway.

 

[Sundog]

dbm

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

Yeah, a sheath is not a neutral or multipurpose object, especially not when found by the body of a stabbing victim.

It's not like a cup, or a chair, or an item of clothing, something that could mean something but could also mean absolutely nothing about the crime.

MOO

Yes @iamshadow21 …. and this IMO was not just any particular sheath. This is one that had apparently been forensically cleaned by someone or somehow…… with all except one missed area. Where trace evidence was located forensically that ties to arrested and charged suspect BK.

Perhaps other evidence will eventually be entered at trial. Evidence regarding the wounds in the victims. And whether any were likely from a knife with blade and features that match the sheath. The one that remained at the crime scene. MOO

 

[schooling]

Are we really doing this...

"AT has a bombshell she's ready to drop at any moment now that's going to blow open this case!"

...thing again?

MOO

 

[iamshadow21]

Yes @iamshadow21 …. and this IMO was not just any particular sheath. This is one that had apparently been forensically cleaned by someone or somehow…… with all except one missed area. Where trace evidence was located forensically that ties to arrested and charged suspect BK.

Perhaps other evidence will eventually be entered at trial. Evidence regarding the wounds in the victims. And whether any were likely from a knife with blade and features that match the sheath. The one that remained at the crime scene. MOO

Source for the sheath being 'forensically cleaned'?

MOO

 

[MassGuy]

Are we really doing this...

"AT has a bombshell she's ready to drop at any moment now that's going to blow open this case!"

...thing again?

MOO

It's my favorite sentiment expressed by pro-defense people in just about every case I've followed. All the evidence against the defendant is ignored because they know there's no logical explanation. Instead, they focus on the existence of theoretical evidence that will completely exonerate the person in question. Amazingly, not once has that borne out

 

[schooling]

Yeah, a sheath is not a neutral or multipurpose object, especially not when found by the body of a stabbing victim.

It's not like a cup, or a chair, or an item of clothing, something that could mean something but could also mean absolutely nothing about the crime.

MOO

The defense's going to need a witness to counter the prosecutions medical examiner . And say that the wounds could not have or were unlikely to been inflicted by a Ka-Bar. IMO.

And the thing is....even then it's not proof that the killer just didn't use the same sized or smaller knife to commit the murders. I just don't see any reasonable scenario where the juror goes...."ya this sheath is totally not connected to the murders" MOO

And that's assuming that they don't have an Amazon receipt for the knife and/or sheath.

 

[schooling]

It's my favorite sentiment expressed by pro-defense people in just about every case I've followed. All the evidence against the defendant is ignored because they know there's no logical explanation. Instead, they focus on the existence of theoretical evidence that will completely exonerate the person in question. Amazingly, not once has that borne out

I'm still waiting to see a single shred of evidence pointing to multiple knives and/or another person with a knife.

the reason i don't put any value into the handrail dna is that there's no other supporting evidence that points to BK having an accomplice or someone else doing it. just one tiny piece in support of the handrail DNA would likely change my mind. MOO

I'm still waiting.

MOO