4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #102

[schooling]

I didn't follow this case a lot, so this old news about BK's family being suspicious is a bombshell to me.

Does anyone have any other info about this?

The article says it comes from a "report."
I wonder from where?


I can't find the post that originally contained this, but here it is again:

Idaho murders suspect’s parents ordered to testify in Dana Smithers case

Dana Smithers vanished without a trace in Pennsylvania back in May 2022, with her remains found last month in a wooded area

www.the-independent.com

From the article:

"However, it comes following a report that one of the accused killer’s older sisters grew increasingly suspicious that her brother could have been involved in the Idaho murders prior to his arrest.

Her suspicions were so great that – at one point – several family members searched Mr Kohberger’s white Hyundai Elantra for possible evidence of the crime when the family gathered to spend the holidays together back in Pennsylvania, sources told NBC’s Dateline."

Consider that LE was able to obtain a warrant from Amazon fully knowing that a knife was purchased and likely the exact date, IMO.

AT (BKs defense attorney) implied it was someone who was summoned to the grand jury. I'd bet a lot that it was a family member.

 

[Tillyjames]

I wonder if this is the same sister who starred in a horror film or the one who is a counselor.

I was wondering that too. Would be interesting if it was the one who is a therapist as she has the training and schooling and may have always had some thoughts/suspicions. Either way would be an interesting perspective. Sad for his family.

Also interesting if she’s actually writing a book before he’s even gone to trial.

 

[Ghostwheel]

Carabiners are designed for climbing, they're specifically designed to NOT come free or fail under stress from various directions, lives depend on it. If there was one attached to a fabric loop, I'd expect the loop to be the failure point, leaving the carabiner and possibly the torn loop behind with the sheath.

(I am not a climber, but my mother did some climbing and caving in her youth, oh, fifty plus years ago, and she has an autistic special interest in expeditions climbing the world's challenging peaks. I know a ridiculous amount about climbing techniques and gear from her infodumping.)

MOO

Ah, you are talking climbing carabiners not the kind most people use. This is a random example, and I've seen ones that would fit this use AND unhook if given the right circumstances. I owned one.....

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[IzzyBlanche]

That selfie is one of the creepiest, most disturbing things I've ever seen.

 

[mrjitty]

Howard Blum reported in his book that the sister who was a practicing psychologist grew increasingly suspicious after watching BK wearing white surgical gloves while vacuuming his car's upholstery and trunk with the shop vac, sorting trash into ziplocs and sneaking out at midnight to put the family's trash in the neighbor's bins (he reports the family's trash bags, not just BK's trash, which makes more sense if he's worried about a DNA pull). He wrote that she finally shared her suspicions with her father--he listened, but didn't respond.
JMO
JMO

I wonder if we see a decline in the conspiratorial discourse around this case now?

He is so obviously guilty. Short of someone stealing his kbar to frame him and a series of unfortunately coincidences there is no way this guy is innocent.

 

[Kemug]

He likely didn't kill Dana Smithers, but it wouldn't hurt to check out his selfies from that date.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Re: my earlier question re: BK's parents called to testify before a grand jury...

Parents of Idaho student murder suspect subpoenaed to testify before Pennsylvania grand jury

By law, a Monroe County grand jury can only review potential crimes that occurred within Monroe County, Pennsylvania. It is unclear what potential crime they are investigating.

6abc.com

Idaho murders suspect’s parents ordered to testify in Dana Smithers case

Dana Smithers vanished without a trace in Pennsylvania back in May 2022, with her remains found last month in a wooded area

www.the-independent.com

You are absolutely correct. I find it even more strange that the results of the parents testimony in PA's GJ were shared with Idaho LE. GJ are secret so it must have been something related to the Moscow murders or BK in general to have been disclosed to ID.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

He’s really not very smart. Why pick a house with so many bedrooms and occupants and not watch exactly who stayed at the house that night. He’s so evil.

At least 1 of the vehicles was new to the house, Kaylee had just brought her RR to show it to the group and Ethan's car was also parked there. I don't know how often he spent the night there, but that may have been another unknown car to BK.

All to say, I think BK was determined for it to happen that night. Why I wonder? Was Kaylee his target or was it the entire house? I go back and forth on that.

JMO

 

[Tealgrove]

I’ve always wondered if he had been in the house prior to that awful night.

Charles Manson had his followers practice sneaking around people’s homes while they were home. He called it Creepy Crawling. They would even eat food that was in the house.

It wouldn’t surprise me to hear that he had done similar to practice his ninja moves.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Or the one he stole the phone from. JMO

Maybe they are one and the same? If one of the sister's is writing a book (surprised so soon actually) it will interesting to hear a factual account of the family dynamics.

I believe BK caused a lot of turmoil in the family.

JMO

 

[NCWatcher]

Maybe they are one and the same? If one of the sister's is writing a book (surprised so soon actually) it will interesting to hear a factual account of the family dynamics.

I believe BK caused a lot of turmoil in the family.

JMO

No matter who writes it, I'm not at all sure I would consider an account of a family's dynamics from within the family as "factual." That's not a particular criticism of the sister's (early to me) book plans but she is part of the dynamic. And everyone has his/her own issues that affect the family system. At least IMO, nobody seriously gets away with saying "I know the family truths while the accounts of all other family members are biased."
MOO

 

[Megnut]

At least 1 of the vehicles was new to the house, Kaylee had just brought her RR to show it to the group and Ethan's car was also parked there. I don't know how often he spent the night there, but that may have been another unknown car to BK.

All to say, I think BK was determined for it to happen that night. Why I wonder? Was Kaylee his target or was it the entire house? I go back and forth on that.

JMO

He seemed committed.

Was this his first attempt?

Did he plan to park and enter on the first approach? What stopped him? 3 am is sort of the bewitching hour. 2 am is too early, in and around a college campus. 4-4:30 am gets to be too late though, you risk early risers. What went into his matrix? Weather? Weekend? Did he know who all was at the house? Did he care? Once he arrived, was he seeing lights on? Either at 1122 or in nearby houses? Did he prep his car? Did he have a change of clothes, over or under? Did he fail to account for the sheath because he wrapped the knife into the coveralls as he stripped out of them?

Did he speed away in a panic? Or was it closer to excitement?

I can't get his selfie out of my head. He wasn't appalled at what he did.

He was enthralled with himself.

Horrifying.

JMO

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

At least 1 of the vehicles was new to the house, Kaylee had just brought her RR to show it to the group and Ethan's car was also parked there. I don't know how often he spent the night there, but that may have been another unknown car to BK.

All to say, I think BK was determined for it to happen that night. Why I wonder? Was Kaylee his target or was it the entire house? I go back and forth on that.

JMO

JMO

If BK was targeting MM and somehow knew KG had left town with the dog (from following their socials?) and was also surveilling the house? Plus maybe had access to personal data we aren't aware of such as overheard conversations or knowing someone they all knew?

He could have no way of knowing KG was going to pay this sudden and impromptu 'farewell' flying visit in her new vehicle. Did she announce that on her socials?

Perhaps BK fully expected to find MM alone in the top part of the house. Unconcerned there were multiple others residing below and likely to be fast asleep.

Perhaps he was reading the house in a particular system, using certain cues - particular lights on / off, certain blinds up or down, certain drapes pulled, outdoor shoes on the stoop... that sort of thing. I think he had some knowledge of the house that there was no CCTV or internal cameras.

Unaware of the Door Dash. Discounting the brand new red vehicle to belong to any of the students or their associates.

KG had already fully cleared out of her room, maybe somehow he could somewhat see into that room? See it was still 'empty' with no furnishings or personal items, see the shelves were empty and the drapes open? He could see it was still unoccupied. Maybe the room was even listed as vacant on a student spare rooms site with people able to ask questions or such like?

The time pressure - this has to be done 'now' was perhaps before a new upstairs house mate moved in?

JMO MOO

 

[PinkParis2052]

I don't know about fb Pappa Rodger. I only aware of Pappa Rodger former member of University of Idaho-Case Discussion.

yeah, there was more than one pappa Rodger account running around from what I understand. Yeah I remember hearing something about a papa Rodger being kicked out of a Facebook group. I'll look into that too. Thank you.

edited to add: I'm talking about the one that wasn't out of a Facebook group and their gender was set as female and they mentioned a school district in Indiana state too.

 

[Megnut]

BK enters a residence without apparently knowing who was all there.

Enters within minutes of a food delivery. 4 am but not everybody is asleep. He enters anyway.

He has a military grade knife, designed with lethal precision but he leaves an absolute bloodbath, sloppy, uncontrolled.

He leaves his knife sheath -- and DNA -- behind.

He squeals off, likely leaving tire impressions.

I'm glad AT described BK's clumsiness.

It helps me to understand how it all went down.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

89K views · 331 reactions | Bryan Kohberger's friends say the accused killer was overweight and bullied in high school | “Where did he go wrong? What happened?“: Friends and colleagues of the man charged with killing four University of Idaho students

“Where did he go wrong? What happened?“: Friends and colleagues of the man charged with killing four University of Idaho students say he had a passion...

www.facebook.com

Old CBS News story but a lot of details about BK in high school. Good recap.

 

[browneyes]

I wonder what he would have stopped at. We knew quite some time ago that one of his sisters was suspicious of him to the extent that she and other family members searched his car. It wouldn't have been his trusting father, so probably his 2 sisters and mother. Now we learn that his Amazon purchase of a knife was also known to them, and it now also seems that they prevented him from buying another after the murders. So at that point BK had to have been aware that they suspected him. Surely he must have. Was he planning on doing anything about it? Once he got another knife, would they have been safe from him? Did they notify LE that he was trying to get another knife? And that was why LE smashed into the house so dramatically to arrest him? It seemed a bit extreme at the time, but not if they knew these details and genuinely feared for his family.

I have never thought smashing into the house was extreme. They were after a man who murdered 4 people.

 

[detectivewannab]

JMO

If BK was targeting MM and somehow knew KG had left town with the dog (from following their socials?) and was also surveilling the house? Plus maybe had access to personal data we aren't aware of such as overheard conversations or knowing someone they all knew?

He could have no way of knowing KG was going to pay this sudden and impromptu 'farewell' flying visit in her new vehicle. Did she announce that on her socials?

Perhaps BK fully expected to find MM alone in the top part of the house. Unconcerned there were multiple others residing below and likely to be fast asleep.

Perhaps he was reading the house in a particular system, using certain cues - particular lights on / off, certain blinds up or down, certain drapes pulled, outdoor shoes on the stoop... that sort of thing. I think he had some knowledge of the house that there was no CCTV or internal cameras.

Unaware of the Door Dash. Discounting the brand new red vehicle to belong to any of the students or their associates.

KG had already fully cleared out of her room, maybe somehow he could somewhat see into that room? See it was still 'empty' with no furnishings or personal items, see the shelves were empty and the drapes open? He could see it was still unoccupied. Maybe the room was even listed as vacant on a student spare rooms site with people able to ask questions or such like?

The time pressure - this has to be done 'now' was perhaps before a new upstairs house mate moved in?

JMO

JMO

If BK was targeting MM and somehow knew KG had left town with the dog (from following their socials?) and was also surveilling the house? Plus maybe had access to personal data we aren't aware of such as overheard conversations or knowing someone they all knew?

He could have no way of knowing KG was going to pay this sudden and impromptu 'farewell' flying visit in her new vehicle. Did she announce that on her socials?

Perhaps BK fully expected to find MM alone in the top part of the house. Unconcerned there were multiple others residing below and likely to be fast asleep.

Perhaps he was reading the house in a particular system, using certain cues - particular lights on / off, certain blinds up or down, certain drapes pulled, outdoor shoes on the stoop... that sort of thing. I think he had some knowledge of the house that there was no CCTV or internal cameras.

Unaware of the Door Dash. Discounting the brand new red vehicle to belong to any of the students or their associates.

KG had already fully cleared out of her room, maybe somehow he could somewhat see into that room? See it was still 'empty' with no furnishings or personal items, see the shelves were empty and the drapes open? He could see it was still unoccupied. Maybe the room was even listed as vacant on a student spare rooms site with people able to ask questions or such like?

The time pressure - this has to be done 'now' was perhaps before a new upstairs house mate moved in?

JMO MOO

The increase pressure of teaching and not fitting in there. Rejection from female students.

 

[MeadowMuffin]

Thinking about BK’s creepy selfie: as most of us are agreeing, he’s just giddy with delight — look at that smirk and all he emotes. Contrast that to every other photo we have seen since his arrest where he has an absolutely flat affect, because as defense explains he is on the spectrum. The one time he breaks out of that flat affect is after a shower, about six hour after the four kids were murdered. Coincidence?

Let’s point out to AT that he is capable of emoting and when. MOO.

The moment I saw BK's selfie I thought "Duper's Delight". People who are trying to pull a fast one over you, who are lying to you, who thought they got away with something and are successfully hiding it from you, will have this smirk on their face. I have lots of experience recognizing this smirk, unfortunately. Which made his stupid smirk stand out to me so strongly. And BK is definitely showing it to the world, without even realizing it. So no matter how AT defends this photo when it is shown to the jury, I and many others will not believe it.

Duper's, or Duping, Delight

 

[Gemmie]

And there's your evidence of the bushy-eyed intruder! He took his own crime-scene selfie.

Here's part of why I think DM was so focused on BKs eyebrows being bushy. For starters, he had a mask that covered all of his face except his eye area so that was the only thing to focus on face-wise.

Secondly, I don't believe she had a light on when she opened her door, so the area was dark (I think we'd be missing a witness if that was the case). Not only are BKs eyebrows a tad bushy, but his brow ridge, or supraorbital ridge, is prominent. So to me, seeing bushy eyebrows on a prominent brow ridge, and in the near dark... would really make them stand out.

Had she caught a glimpse, formed her opinion, and then someone flipped on a light, she likely would have thought "Not as bushy as I thought, but that prominent brow ridge sure does make them stick out even more".

So to me, the key was she saw them in the dark, not in a well lit room. And even if they did, they are still bushy! lol But that ridge just makes them appear more so in the dark.

All JMO