4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #103

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I posted this on the 6th of march.

"https://www.dickssportinggoods.com/...lj47KGWolfIQWUjGXqysMNBMyMxYeRcaWle2ddiTQsoAK

https://www.dickssportinggoods.com/...3PB2qFD23qQgnoU3wpzeIWw8Bvri-1hgTCasfqffh0UHT

I know he bought the ka bar knife from amazon but they are there. as well as

https://www.dickssportinggoods.com/...PkQhDT7D0XMfD236Mn42_X4ddQQT-6hm-RxLnXMFjnQV6

https://www.dickssportinggoods.com/...muXliFf42LMrWJnrpkTgMh6Re-HAbiQcoza4u11Y06QDq

can't access the website from here in the UK. so cant get specifix assuming they still sell the one the witness saw."

then we get this much more recently

"Bryan Kohberger purchased a balaclava months before four Idaho students were savagely murdered inside their off-campus home.

Surviving housemate Dylan Mortensen told police she saw a man wearing 'the same kind of mask' around the time police believe Madison Mogen, Ethan Chapin, Kaylee Goncalves and Xana Kernodle were all slaughtered in November 2022.

Accused killer Kohberger desperately wanted his Dick's Sporting Goods purchase to be inadmissible in his upcoming trial."

yay for me
 
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So maybe a Dick's tag not a Dickies?
I don’t think this means that there’s no Dickie’s tag. We still haven’t seen an exhaustive evidence list. Just evidence cited to support arguments in court filings.

Since we didn’t see any amendments or corrections to warrants, something AT would have most certainly called out by now, I’d imagine the Dickie’s tag exists.

I could be wrong of course, MOO
 
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I referenced this yesterday, from the motions dump -- AT wants to introduce evidence that BK suffers from ASD, OCD, compulsive shower-curtain changing, debilitating shoelace tying and assorted fine motor clumsiness.

And she wants to frontload it so jurors know to expect general offness about it. Plus they intend to introduce it as mitigating factors against the DP, while asking the judge to prevent the State from using that same evidence as aggravating factors. Wha huh?

We have evidence but you can't use it against us?

Good luck with that.

JMO
 
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That’s a great point. After that 9:02 drive by he never went back and yet he had been driving in the area multiple times prior to the murders.
And....he didn't even drive through Idaho when he went back to PA for the holiday break - appears as if he drove around. "...the Kohbergers were not found again until they were in Loma, Colorado, the report said."

 
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I referenced this yesterday, from the motions dump -- AT wants to introduce evidence that BK suffers from ASD, OCD, compulsive shower-curtain changing, debilitating shoelace tying and assorted fine motor clumsiness.

And she wants to frontload it so jurors know to expect general offness about it. Plus they intend to introduce it as mitigating factors against the DP, while asking the judge to prevent the State from using that same evidence as aggravating factors. Wha huh?

We have evidence but you can't use it against us?

Good luck with that.

JMO
whats peoples thinking about this "fine motor clumsiness" implications when it comes to the wounds inflicted and the length of time it would have taken to actually do as alleged?
 
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whats peoples thinking about this "fine motor clumsiness" implications when it comes to the wounds inflicted and the length of time it would have taken to actually do as alleged?

BK may have fine motor clumsiness, but I don’t think stabbing people with knives is a fine motor skill.
The defense attorney’s cut and pasted all the possible symptoms of Asperger’s, OCD, and whatever else and added it to their motion. This one has no implications.

Opinion
 
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IMO, I wonder what AT thinks about BK boxing ability. There are quotes from BK where he touted his boxing abilities. Boxers train to be agile. I wonder how she reconciles the opposing views; clumsy/agile?
 
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Would LE have been able to find out how many times BK had himself looked at that photo?
What an interesting question.
I googled it and basically it said no. It said something like there isn't a standard feature or application on phones that keeps a log of photo view counts.
 
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whats peoples thinking about this "fine motor clumsiness" implications when it comes to the wounds inflicted and the length of time it would have taken to actually do as alleged?
I think this entire "fine motor clumsiness " is a complete non-starter when it comes to committing the murders. As I said in an earlier post, it takes few fine motor skills to grab a fixed blade, 12-inch knife with a 7-inch long, 1-inch wide steel blade, and plunge it into a sleeping/incapacitated body. I see nothing that would be slowed down, unless he tripped over the untied lace of a shoe he wasn't likely even wearing, as he scurried to the slider when leaving.

I cannot thread a needle, but I can easily carve a turkey with an appropriate kitchen knife. A KaBar knife is made for exactly what it was used for, quite efficiently apparently. JMO
 
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I think this entire "fine motor clumsiness " is a on-starter when it comes to committing the murders. As I said in an earlier post, it takes few fine motor skills to grab a fixed blade, 12-inch knife with a 7-inch long, 1inch wide steel blade, into a sleeping/incapacitated body.

Agree, it’s a non-starter and just another “look here, not there” defense tactic.

On the other hand, if Bryan DID have an issue with fine motor skills, as a juror that would help convince me of his guilt. It would help me piece together why his DNA was on the SNAP, because accessing and opening the snap (and trying to close it again) is a fine motor skill.

Therefore if AT is going to tell me that he is weak in fine motor skills, I would think “oh, so he fumbled too much trying to open the snap.”

In reality IMO it’s really just another strand of unsticky spaghetti, but yeah she’s going in the wrong direction with this.

I also think that snapping a selfie is a fine motor skill, just touching the button in a coordinated way to take a selfie, but certainly not as much as unsnapping something.

JMO
 
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And....he didn't even drive through Idaho when he went back to PA for the holiday break - appears as if he drove around. "...the Kohbergers were not found again until they were in Loma, Colorado, the report said."

Excellent article!!!
 
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BK may have fine motor clumsiness, but I don’t think stabbing people with knives is a fine motor skill.
The defense attorney’s cut and pasted all the possible symptoms of Asperger’s, OCD, and whatever else and added it to their motion. This one has no implications.

Opinion

Dude had bulked up from lifting weights and/or doing cardio and/or full body workout.

He obviously had to have some motor skills to do that. This shows how little the defense has. Gee whiz
 
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Agree, it’s a non-starter and just another “look here, not there” defense tactic.

On the other hand, if Bryan DID have an issue with fine motor skills, as a juror that would help convince me of his guilt. It would help me piece together why his DNA was on the SNAP, because accessing and opening the snap (and trying to close it again) is a fine motor skill.

Therefore if AT is going to tell me that he is weak in fine motor skills, I would think “oh, so he fumbled too much trying to open the snap.”

In reality IMO it’s really just another strand of unsticky spaghetti, but yeah she’s going in the wrong direction with this.

I also think that snapping a selfie is a fine motor skill, just touching the button in a coordinated way to take a selfie, but certainly not as much as unsnapping something.

JMO

She's got nothing as a defense.. This is all she's got.. she is shooting blanks
 
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I think this entire "fine motor clumsiness " is a complete non-starter when it comes to committing the murders. As I said in an earlier post, it takes few fine motor skills to grab a fixed blade, 12-inch knife with a 7-inch long, 1-inch wide steel blade, and plunge it into a sleeping/incapacitated body. I see nothing that would be slowed down, unless he tripped over the untied lace of a shoe he wasn't likely even wearing, as he scurried to the slider when leaving.

I cannot thread a needle, but I can easily carve a turkey with an appropriate kitchen knife. A KaBar knife is made for exactly what it was used for, quite efficiently apparently. JMO
im with yah. I can only see it maybe definitely maybe with doubt having an impact on the timing but very doubtfully. we also know this guys a planner so maybe built a plan around that.
 
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Agree, it’s a non-starter and just another “look here, not there” defense tactic.

On the other hand, if Bryan DID have an issue with fine motor skills, as a juror that would help convince me of his guilt. It would help me piece together why his DNA was on the SNAP, because accessing and opening the snap (and trying to close it again) is a fine motor skill.

Therefore if AT is going to tell me that he is weak in fine motor skills, I would think “oh, so he fumbled too much trying to open the snap.”

In reality IMO it’s really just another strand of unsticky spaghetti, but yeah she’s going in the wrong direction with this.

I also think that snapping a selfie is a fine motor skill, just touching the button in a coordinated way to take a selfie, but certainly not as much as unsnapping something.

JMO
weirdly enough its actually not very easy to stab someone especially with a big blade. if the blade is really thin and has a very sharp point its easy enough.if its a big blade you need to have the point in exactly the right place. sorry for the grim details. i'm thinking the defence might state he does not have the dexterity and strength of grip to be able to do as is alleged. the prosecutions counter should simply be that plunging a knife downward from above onto a prone person is not difficult and does not need great strength or dexterity. yeh really sorry for the grim details. next bit is extra grim but with two people in the room and one more or less waiting for him to move onto her means she probably wasn't prone when attacked. we also have the indication that ethan was standing when attacked, so whats the likelihood that someone built like ethan was able to be subdued by a slight kohberger?

this is all hypothetical and me just trying to put myself in the defences shoes. sorry for the grim details.
 
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weirdly enough its actually not very easy to stab someone especially with a big blade. if the blade is really thin and has a very sharp point its easy enough.if its a big blade you need to have the point in exactly the right place. sorry for the grim details. i'm thinking the defence might state he does not have the dexterity and strength of grip to be able to do as is alleged. the prosecutions counter should simply be that plunging a knife downward from above onto a prone person is not difficult and does not need great strength or dexterity. yeh really sorry for the grim details. next bit is extra grim but with two people in the room and one more or less waiting for him to move onto her means she probably wasn't prone when attacked. we also have the indication that ethan was standing when attacked, so whats the likelihood that someone built like ethan was able to be subdued by a slight kohberger?

this is all hypothetical and me just trying to put myself in the defences shoes. sorry for the grim details.

Yeh, LOL... nothing that a jolt of adrenaline won't fix. Easy to dispel this fleeting "effort" by the defense.
 
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Agree, it’s a non-starter and just another “look here, not there” defense tactic.

On the other hand, if Bryan DID have an issue with fine motor skills, as a juror that would help convince me of his guilt. It would help me piece together why his DNA was on the SNAP, because accessing and opening the snap (and trying to close it again) is a fine motor skill.

Therefore if AT is going to tell me that he is weak in fine motor skills, I would think “oh, so he fumbled too much trying to open the snap.”

In reality IMO it’s really just another strand of unsticky spaghetti, but yeah she’s going in the wrong direction with this.

I also think that snapping a selfie is a fine motor skill, just touching the button in a coordinated way to take a selfie, but certainly not as much as unsnapping something.

JMO
Your post made me think about this claim (that his impaired “fine motor skills” would’ve made it difficult or impossible to commit the murders in the alleged time frame) in light of the college assignment that BK completed in 2020 (Crime Scene Scenario Final, included here: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01...+to+MIL+RE+Self+Authentication+of+Records.pdf) This details the meticulous care that he would take if tasked with processing the site of a crime. A number of the tasks he mentions as necessary to the preservation and analysis of a hypothetical crime scene would, I believe, require a reasonable amount of dexterity/fine motor skills to carry out (for example, he mentions swabbing the victims’s body for DNA, using forceps/tweezers to collect small pieces of physical evidence, placing evidence in small containers for later analysis, etc.) All this to say, I don’t understand how the defense could suggest BK lacks the dexterity to commit the murders in Moscow, knowing that the state has evidence indicating that BK considered himself perfectly capable of carrying out the fine-motor-skills-requiring tasks he detailed in the collège assignment.
 
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you know what else requires fine motor skills? typing. And he was a graduate student and prolific online poster. Guessing he used his fine motor skills to type for both those things. So I'm not sure how defense thinks this argument will play out but I think they are barking up the wrong tree with it.
 
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