4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #103

[Sweeper2000]

You know what surprises me. I’d define myself as a person with good fine but bad gross motor skills. It is more visiospatial. To cope, I try to do things slowly (never drive a mile above the speed limit, never tailgate to allow space and time to react). For someone to kill, as they write, in 8 minutes, and cleanly, a person has to have good gross motor skills. I’d think it is less about filleting a more about, turn right, now to another room, step over, get out. So the question is, did BK possess such qualities? Was he good at PE, does he have good right-left discrimination? What about mental discipline? I honestly have no idea.

the wounds we haven't heard about will give us an idea. It only takes roughly ten seconds to stab a prone person enoguh times to ensure a fatal wound with immediate incapacitation of the victim. As soon as the blood pressure drops enough they will just go limp, lights out. similar in effect to a air embolism. immediate cessation of movement and consciousness. sorry for the grim details.

 

[Megnut]

Has she asked for funds for additional paralegals to sort it? Or just left it unlooked at?

Neither. She's asking the judge to tell the State to tell her where to look.

JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

You know what surprises me. I’d define myself as a person with good fine but bad gross motor skills. It is more visiospatial. To cope, I try to do things slowly (never drive a mile above the speed limit, never tailgate to allow space and time to react). For someone to kill, as they write, in 8 minutes, and cleanly, a person has to have good gross motor skills. I’d think it is less about filleting and more about, turn right, now to another room, step over, get out. So the question is, did BK possess such qualities? Was he good at PE, does he have good right-left discrimination? What about mental discipline? I honestly have no idea.

You just described BK's defense. I do not agree. The defense themselves admit he is an avid proficient
runner.

2 Cents

Info about Kohberger’s defense revealed

Kohberger’s physical condition, alternative perpetrator argument among the topics of recent court filings

www.lmtribune.com

Kohberger’s defense team will also argue he is not physically capable of committing the crimes.

They say Kohberger's developmental coordination disorder would make it impossible for him to kill four people in such a short timeframe. This disorder affects his fine motor dexterity and visual motor function, the court documents say.

“Such speed and coordination are not possible for him,” the document states.

They revealed information about his other medical conditions: autism spectrum disorder and obsessive compulsive disorder.

 

[Megnut]

I’m curious too about the line “ compulsive shower curtain changing” , where did this come from?

Thanks in advance

I developed it but AT started it. Claims that's just a thing he does because of his OCD. Oddly specific detail... when his apartment was found without one... and some of us don't wonder too hard to think of ways a murderer might use one or need to dispose of one.

She uses the same argument to claim he's innocent because he wouldn't want to get anything in his eyes.

JMO

 

[arielilane]

Wanted to go on record to say that apparently, XK fought back — repeatedly grabbing the knife from BK, as she suffered deep cuts to her fingers.

 

[Sachi]

Wanted to go on record to say that apparently, XK fought back — repeatedly grabbing the knife from BK, as she suffered deep cuts to her fingers.

So disturbing.

 

[Sweeper2000]

Wanted to go on record to say that apparently, XK fought back — repeatedly grabbing the knife from BK, as she suffered deep cuts to her fingers.

where did u hear that? first ive heard of any wounds

 

[Megnut]

Whoa

GH is looking at data -- he thinks the door dash was delivered to the slider. The GPS coordinates put it at the back porch.

6m

 

[Cool Cats]

I developed it but AT started it. Claims that's just a thing he does because of his OCD. Oddly specific detail... when his apartment was found without one... and some of us don't wonder too hard to think of ways a murderer might use one or need to dispose of one.

She uses the same argument to claim he's innocent because he wouldn't want to get anything in his eyes.

JMOQ

Seriously?

"wouldn't want to get anything in his eyes?"

I cry foul

2 Cents

 

[Megnut]

DD leaves the food at 3:59....

GH shows where the Elantra was at the same time, back and forth, slowly....

Compelling.

7m

 

[BUF]

Whoa

GH is looking at data -- he thinks the door dash was delivered to the slider. The GPS coordinates put it at the back porch.

6m

If correct, my theory of X waiting for her door dash at main door on first floor was wrong.

There was a bag in the kitchen….dont know if it was from this delivery or another.

University of Idaho student Xana Kernodle got DoorDash delivery just minutes before her murder

Kernodle and three of her roommates were stabbed to death by a crazed knifeman between 4 a.m. and 4:25 a.m. on Nov. 13.

nypost.com

 

[Megnut]

20m video, worth the watch

GH syncs the Door Dash with BK's maneuvering, the 3 pt turn, etc...believes BK saw the vehicle and drove around to make sure which led to the cctv capture of the Elantra showing no front plate!

Outstanding synthesis.

BK's awareness of the Door Dash vehicle caused his to adjust/react, and led to a significant detail toward identifying and authenticating his Elantra!

10m and following

 

[arielilane]

where did u hear that? first ive heard of any wounds

They also said that Chapin was killed in the doorway of Kernodle’s room, and Kernodle apparently fought back. She repeatedly grabbed the knife from suspect Bryan Kohberger, and she suffered deep cuts to her fingers. Chapin apparently suffered a slash to the neck, according to sources.

Sources: Idaho victim who was killed last fought back

Certain details conflict with what the coroner in the case, and police, initially said.

www.newsnationnow.com

2/3/2023

 

[Cindizzi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1905165440537460942

 

[Auntie Cipation]

Defendant's Reply to State's Response, MIL, RE Vague and Undisclosed Expert Testimony

Whoa.

State's expert has BK in Moscow (utilizing a certain tower) between July 9, 2022 and November 7th, between 10 pm and 4am -- 23 separate times

jmo

I'm not sure I'm understanding everyone's dramatic reaction to this. Didn't we know from early on that the cell tower that services 1122 King also services about half of Moscow?

So to me it simply means that's how many times BK went to Moscow for nearly any purpose and had his phone with him and on during those trips. We also know IMO that there are several stores and restaurants in Moscow that don't have an equivalent in Pullman. Plus, if this is the tower that covers the University, that is another valid reason a Pullman grad student might have to go to Moscow.

I don't know when BK started to plan this crime nor when he identified 1122 King as his goal, but I don't think the majority of these phone connects are necessarily significant.

I personally find it much more damning that, immediately following the crime and the one next-day cruise through, his visits to Moscow seem to have stopped. MOO

 

[SteveP]

where did u hear that? first ive heard of any wounds

“Xana Kernodle put up a fierce fight when the attacker set upon her, repeatedly grabbing the attacker’s knife, so much so that she sustained deep cuts to her fingers and that her fingers were nearly severed,” sources close to the investigation told News Nation Thursday.

The sources said Kernodle was the last of the four students to be killed at an off campus home in Moscow on Nov. 13.

Idaho victim Xana Kernodle fought back against alleged killer Bryan Kohberger: report

Slain University of Idaho student Xana Kernodle fought back against alleged killer Bryan Kohberger — suffering noticeable defensive wounds on her hands, a report said.

nypost.com

 

[Megnut]

If correct, my theory of X waiting for her door dash at main door on first floor was wrong.

There was a bag in the kitchen….dont know if it was from this delivery or another.

University of Idaho student Xana Kernodle got DoorDash delivery just minutes before her murder

Kernodle and three of her roommates were stabbed to death by a crazed knifeman between 4 a.m. and 4:25 a.m. on Nov. 13.

nypost.com

If the data is accurate, the food was delivered to the back of 1122.

XK ordered it, makes sense she'd have it delivered to HER door (the door on her floor, the door nearest her room) (no need to disturb BF by using the lower floor door).

I don't know that we know for sure whether it was a hand off or a drop and dash...

If it's left at 3:59, BK doesn't park until after probably 4:08/9.... a couple minutes to the the door.... making entry at 4:10/11...

XK is on TikTok...

Did KG look out when Murphy alerted to the Door Dash but see BK approach -- there's someone there... who was she talking to? MM? Just because MM was murdered in bed doesn't have to mean she was asleep-asleep...

Where was XK at 4:11? In the kitchen? BK sliding in, "don't worry, I'm here to help you"... whimper....

Did XK eat any of the food she ordered? Did she return to the kitchen at, say 4:15, set the remnants down, was returning to her room when BK accosted her?

Where was XK each of the times DM opened her door? Somehow she only encountered a person one time. BK, the last time.

What caused XK to stop watching TikTok? Does that timestamp tell us when she was interrupted by BK? Did he get to her at 4:10/12 and TikTok just played to the natural end of whatever she was listening to, then stop?

AT can say all she wants that BK is clumsy but he managed to drive around the Door Dash vehicle, make entry and slaughter 4 of the 6 people in one house in about ten minutes' time. Acting and reacting with deadly force.

JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

Kohberger defense:

1.) "Many alternate perpetrators can be connected to the crimes.”
2.) " Not physically capable of committing the crimes."
3.) "Autism spectrum disorder."
4.) "Obsessive compulsive disorder."
5.) "His phone will partially corroborate his alibi."
6.) "DNA on the knife sheath was planted.”
7.) "The witness was unreliable because she had been drinking that night."
8.) "Bushy eyebrows is not enough of a description to qualify as evidence."
9.) "No DNA evidence was found in Kohberger's apartment, home, office, and vehicle."
10.) "Kohberger had no connection to the victims."

New Bryan Kohberger selfie on night of murders, Amazon knife purchase revealed

Prosecutors say Bryan Kohberger’s Amazon history proves he purchased a Ka-Bar knife eight months prior to the Idaho student murders.

www.fox13seattle.com

Bryan Kohberger’s potential defense revealed amid DNA battle

Genetic genealogy and DNA, which were used to identify Bryan Kohberger, are at the center of the Idaho Four student murders case.

lawandcrime.com

Info about Kohberger’s defense revealed

Kohberger’s physical condition, alternative perpetrator argument among the topics of recent court filings

www.lmtribune.com

 

[femto]

They also said that Chapin was killed in the doorway of Kernodle’s room, and Kernodle apparently fought back. She repeatedly grabbed the knife from suspect Bryan Kohberger, and she suffered deep cuts to her fingers. Chapin apparently suffered a slash to the neck, according to sources.

Sources: Idaho victim who was killed last fought back

Certain details conflict with what the coroner in the case, and police, initially said.

www.newsnationnow.com

2/3/2023

<modsnip> Ethan was killed on the bed, he never had a chance to react. This was pretty much confirmed by everyone including his parents. Xana was killed close to the door and possibly her body obstructed the door which is why it was hard for Hunter, Dylan and Bethany to recognize that she was killed rather than being "passed out" before Hunter forcefully opened it.

If we go by what's confirmed, Maddie dies first and as she is being stabbed, Kaylee wakes up but is too drunk and sleepy to understand what is going on which is why she sits on the bed next to the wall before being attacked herself and ends up dying like that. Kohberger then tries to leave but stumbles upon Xana who runs to her room where she is attacked violently. He probably notices Ethan, Ethan starts to wake from the commotion and Kohberger quickly dispatches him as the biggest threat. He then returns to Xana trying to calm her down 'i'm going to help you' before finishing her off and escaping and coming face to face with D. At this point whether he sees D or not is a matter of debate, but he quickly leaves after his plan has gone awry and instead of whatever he planned to do with Maddie or Kaylee (my bet is on Maddie given what we know), he ended up murdering 4 people. He was probably shocked himself that even as late as noon his crime still wasn't reported

 

[Gemmie]

If correct, my theory of X waiting for her door dash at main door on first floor was wrong.

There was a bag in the kitchen….dont know if it was from this delivery or another.

University of Idaho student Xana Kernodle got DoorDash delivery just minutes before her murder

Kernodle and three of her roommates were stabbed to death by a crazed knifeman between 4 a.m. and 4:25 a.m. on Nov. 13.

nypost.com

It makes a whole lot of sense to want a pickup to be on the same floor as she was on, and not have to go up and down stairs, potentially bothering anyone sleeping on the first floor.

And while that bag could be from another night, I'm thinking it likely wasn't. Sure, they're college kids and the house wasn't the tidiest, but I'm thinking any bags from previous nights hit the garbage. With that said, even if this bag WAS from the delivery of that night, why put it behind the sink faucet when it either needs to go into the garbage, or in the fridge if there were leftovers? It just seems like an odd place to put it once done with it. If anything, you'd think she'd have left it on her bedroom dresser or the living room table/couch, depending on where she ate it.

With all that said... looking at that drink a little closer is making me think it's recent, not days old. I see foam. Has anyone done an "experiment" where they left a drink like this on a counter for days? lol Seriously... if you have, is there still a layer of foam days later? It looks like it might be a coffee drink? Latte maybe?

University of Idaho student Xana Kernodle got DoorDash delivery just minutes before her murder

Kernodle and three of her roommates were stabbed to death by a crazed knifeman between 4 a.m. and 4:25 a.m. on Nov. 13.

nypost.com