4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #103

[Sweeper2000]

They also said that Chapin was killed in the doorway of Kernodle’s room, and Kernodle apparently fought back. She repeatedly grabbed the knife from suspect Bryan Kohberger, and she suffered deep cuts to her fingers. Chapin apparently suffered a slash to the neck, according to sources.

Sources: Idaho victim who was killed last fought back

Certain details conflict with what the coroner in the case, and police, initially said.

www.newsnationnow.com

2/3/2023

still learning about this. so many details and thats effin brutal. poor guys. i'm actually thinking ethan was taken by surprise. maybe he went to the door to see who it was then got jumped by bk and was taken completely off guard.

 

[Sweeper2000]

It makes a whole lot of sense to want a pickup to be on the same floor as she was on, and not have to go up and down stairs, potentially bothering anyone sleeping on the first floor.

And while that bag could be from another night, I'm thinking it likely wasn't. Sure, they're college kids and the house wasn't the tidiest, but I'm thinking any bags from previous nights hit the garbage. With that said, even if this bag WAS from the delivery of that night, why put it behind the sink faucet when it either needs to go into the garbage, or in the fridge if there were leftovers? It just seems like an odd place to put it once done with it. If anything, you'd think she'd have left it on her bedroom dresser or the living room table/couch, depending on where she ate it.

With all that said... looking at that drink a little closer is making me think it's recent, not days old. I see foam. Has anyone done an "experiment" where they left a drink like this on a counter for days? lol Seriously... if you have, is there still a layer of foam days later? It looks like it might be a coffee drink? Latte maybe?

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University of Idaho student Xana Kernodle got DoorDash delivery just minutes before her murder

Kernodle and three of her roommates were stabbed to death by a crazed knifeman between 4 a.m. and 4:25 a.m. on Nov. 13.

nypost.com

thats a bacterial film on the surface of it. pic was taken a while after the events.

 

[Megnut]

I'm not sure I'm understanding everyone's dramatic reaction to this. Didn't we know from early on that the cell tower that services 1122 King also services about half of Moscow?

So to me it simply means that's how many times BK went to Moscow for nearly any purpose and had his phone with him and on during those trips. We also know IMO that there are several stores and restaurants in Moscow that don't have an equivalent in Pullman. Plus, if this is the tower that covers the University, that is another valid reason a Pullman grad student might have to go to Moscow.

I don't know when BK started to plan this crime nor when he identified 1122 King as his goal, but I don't think the majority of these phone connects are necessarily significant.

I personally find it much more damning that, immediately following the crime and the one next-day cruise through, his visits to Moscow seem to have stopped. MOO

Yes, there are legitimate reasons to be in Moscow but the fact that those visits stopped makes them quite interesting.

It would undermine the State's own case if they knew he was, say, at the grocery store and they were concealing the fact.

I think we'll be seeing additional evidence which puts him in the vicinity of 1122. On 11/13, he drove directly there, looped, came right back, multiple times. IMO it was not a new location to him. He knew the inroads.

And his visits fell between 10pm and 4am. Smart if he came home each time with groceries. But I'd still wonder where else he wandered.

JMO

 

[BUF]

Did XK eat any of the food she ordered?

The ME who did her autopsy should be able to answer this….contents in her stomach and a record of exactly what she ordered.

 

[Gemmie]

thats a bacterial film on the surface of it. pic was taken a while after the events.

Thanks, I figured the pics were taken hours later.

 

[Baby baby Jane]

You just described BK's defense. I do not agree. The defense themselves admit he is an avid proficient
runner.

2 Cents

Info about Kohberger’s defense revealed

Kohberger’s physical condition, alternative perpetrator argument among the topics of recent court filings

www.lmtribune.com

Kohberger’s defense team will also argue he is not physically capable of committing the crimes.

They say Kohberger's developmental coordination disorder would make it impossible for him to kill four people in such a short timeframe. This disorder affects his fine motor dexterity and visual motor function, the court documents say.

“Such speed and coordination are not possible for him,” the document states.

They revealed information about his other medical conditions: autism spectrum disorder and obsessive compulsive disorder.

BK info says boxing & running …. Boxers master the fast hands on speed bag. BK not such a klutz that he couldn’t learn competent “fast hands” fitness boxing.
He had plenty of time - with fitness fast hands to kill … even if, his “coordination” lacking.
Plenty of time to fast hands quickly incapacitate & fatally stab with huge very sharp knife.
Not buying I can barely cut a banana because of my disability. Not buying it.

 

[Cool Cats]

MSN

Bryan Kohberger's Amazon records are 'catastrophic' for defense, 'smoking gun' for pr osecutors, experts say​

Prosecutors revealed in court filings this week that he allegedly bought a Ka-Bar, a sheath and a sharpener on Amazon in March 2022, months before the murders. Then, in the weeks after the murders, his Amazon app "click activity" allegedly shows he was browsing for a replacement.

... the time frame of the search that links him to this murder weapon shows a significant level, or at least I'm sure the prosecution would argue, shows a significant level of premeditation.
... the slate of newly revealed evidence against Kohberger indicates prosecutors may have a stronger case than previously known.

 

[Sweeper2000]

Thanks, I figured the pics were taken hours later.

tbh i cant say for sure but to me looks like it has the green stuff you see on old food.

 

[arielilane]

It makes a whole lot of sense to want a pickup to be on the same floor as she was on, and not have to go up and down stairs, potentially bothering anyone sleeping on the first floor.

And while that bag could be from another night, I'm thinking it likely wasn't. Sure, they're college kids and the house wasn't the tidiest, but I'm thinking any bags from previous nights hit the garbage. With that said, even if this bag WAS from the delivery of that night, why put it behind the sink faucet when it either needs to go into the garbage, or in the fridge if there were leftovers? It just seems like an odd place to put it once done with it. If anything, you'd think she'd have left it on her bedroom dresser or the living room table/couch, depending on where she ate it.

With all that said... looking at that drink a little closer is making me think it's recent, not days old. I see foam. Has anyone done an "experiment" where they left a drink like this on a counter for days? lol Seriously... if you have, is there still a layer of foam days later? It looks like it might be a coffee drink? Latte maybe?

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University of Idaho student Xana Kernodle got DoorDash delivery just minutes before her murder

Kernodle and three of her roommates were stabbed to death by a crazed knifeman between 4 a.m. and 4:25 a.m. on Nov. 13.

nypost.com

Theres still a lipstick stain on tip of straw too.

 

[AcousticViper]

I'm not sure I'm understanding everyone's dramatic reaction to this. Didn't we know from early on that the cell tower that services 1122 King also services about half of Moscow?

So to me it simply means that's how many times BK went to Moscow for nearly any purpose and had his phone with him and on during those trips. We also know IMO that there are several stores and restaurants in Moscow that don't have an equivalent in Pullman. Plus, if this is the tower that covers the University, that is another valid reason a Pullman grad student might have to go to Moscow.

I don't know when BK started to plan this crime nor when he identified 1122 King as his goal, but I don't think the majority of these phone connects are necessarily significant.

I personally find it much more damning that, immediately following the crime and the one next-day cruise through, his visits to Moscow seem to have stopped. MOO

Each cell tower has 3 antennas covering 120°. The southernmost antenna services King Road and other off-campus homes specifically. The FBI specialist should be able to provide a more detailed report based on this. When the defense say there are two cell towers, each powerful enough on their own to cover the entirety of Moscow, they are not wrong, but they are excluding more granular detail that does not help their cause.

 

[arielilane]

03/07/2023 Order to Seal and Redact (Door Dash)

State of Idaho v. Bryan C. Kohberger

 

[Sweeper2000]

<modsnip> Ethan was killed on the bed, he never had a chance to react. This was pretty much confirmed by everyone including his parents. Xana was killed close to the door and possibly her body obstructed the door which is why it was hard for Hunter, Dylan and Bethany to recognize that she was killed rather than being "passed out" before Hunter forcefully opened it.

If we go by what's confirmed, Maddie dies first and as she is being stabbed, Kaylee wakes up but is too drunk and sleepy to understand what is going on which is why she sits on the bed next to the wall before being attacked herself and ends up dying like that. Kohberger then tries to leave but stumbles upon Xana who runs to her room where she is attacked violently. He probably notices Ethan, Ethan starts to wake from the commotion and Kohberger quickly dispatches him as the biggest threat. He then returns to Xana trying to calm her down 'i'm going to help you' before finishing her off and escaping and coming face to face with D At this point whether he sees D or not is a matter of debate, but he quickly leaves after his plan has gone awry and instead of whatever he planned to do with Maddie or Kaylee (my bet is on Maddie given what we know), he ended up murdering 4 people. He was probably shocked himself that even as late as noon his crime still wasn't reported

whats your sources though?

found this which supports the defensive wounds statements.

"MOSCOW, Idaho - The father of slain University of Idaho student Kaylee Goncalves told Fox News Digital that the victims had "big open gouges" that were clearly the work of a "sadistic male" and called police "cowards" for not sharing more with the public."

Steven Goncalves said he asked the coroner, Cathy Mabbutt, how many times the victims were stabbed.
"She says, sir, I don't think stabs is the right word, it was like tears, like this was a strong weapon, not like a stab," he told Fox News Digital Sunday.

"She said these were big open gouges."

Goncalves said his daughter's injuries "definitely did not match" Mogen's wounds. "They may have individually died from the exact same thing, being stabbed, but there are more details," he added. "They're not even close to matching."

The knife slashed open Kaylee Goncalves' liver and lungs, he said"

Idaho murders: Father of slain victim says she had 'big open wounds,' calls police 'cowards'

The father of slain University of Idaho student Kaylee Goncalves said the victims had "big open gouges" that were clearly the work of a "sadistic male" and called police "cowards" for not sharing more with the public.

www.fox5atlanta.com

think thatll do for this scene from hell for today. night folks

 

[wendy44]

Each cell tower has 3 antennas covering 120°. The southernmost antenna services King Road and other off-campus homes specifically. The FBI specialist should be able to provide a more detailed report based on this. When the defense say there are two cell towers, each powerful enough on their own to cover the entirety of Moscow, they are not wrong, but they are excluding more granular detail that does not help their cause.

I think there also might be more than two (I've read claims of 4, but I think there are at least 3). During the January hearings, starting at about 7:20:00, Ashley Jennings tells the judge that there are three towers that provide service to the Moscow area. The judge stops her and asks where in the record is that. She tells him it's in her response, filed after the request for the Franks hearing. He reminds her that if she gives him evidence after the request for Franks, and he relies on that evidence then he has to grant the defense a full Franks hearing. So she drops it. The defense really wants to exclude all of SA Ballance's cell analysis testimony so I think it must be pretty damaging.
JMO

 

[arielilane]

12/29/2022 Affidavit

State of Idaho v. Bryan C. Kohberger

 

[Boxer]

Yes, there are legitimate reasons to be in Moscow but the fact that those visits stopped makes them quite interesting.

It would undermine the State's own case if they knew he was, say, at the grocery store and they were concealing the fact.

I think we'll be seeing additional evidence which puts him in the vicinity of 1122. On 11/13, he drove directly there, looped, came right back, multiple times. IMO it was not a new location to him. He knew the inroads.

And his visits fell between 10pm and 4am. Smart if he came home each time with groceries. But I'd still wonder where else he wandered.

JMO

The single tower CAST will render distance from the tower in a 30 degree arc.
Plot those distances at intervals of time, every 1 second e.g., and overlay the movement over map Moscow and what roads were possibly taken becomes clear.

 

[Megnut]

I think there also might be more than two (I've read claims of 4, but I think there are at least 3). During the January hearings, starting at about 7:20:00, Ashley Jennings tells the judge that there are three towers that provide service to the Moscow area. The judge stops her and asks where in the record is that. She tells him it's in her response, filed after the request for the Franks hearing. He reminds her that if she gives him evidence after the request for Franks, and he relies on that evidence then he has to grant the defense a full Franks hearing. So she drops it. The defense really wants to exclude all of SA Ballance's cell analysis testimony so I think it must be pretty damaging.
JMO

Yes, I think AT's attempts to place BK driving in Moscow "just not over there" are count to prove empty as cellphone data will assuredly put BK exactly there.

Within sightline. IF LE pulled data from nearby routers, BK's wifi might have been looking for hook up.

AT gives us an additional clue -- he was driving "just not over there" and certainly not stopping.

Oh, is that just like how he didn't stop between 4:09 and 4:20, when his car isn't seen on any cameras?

Maybe he didn't necessarily stop for long, but he WAS over there and he DID stop, I'll bet.

Fine. I won't say 'stalking'.

(I'll just think it.)

JMO

 

[Ghostwheel]

They also said that Chapin was killed in the doorway of Kernodle’s room, and Kernodle apparently fought back. She repeatedly grabbed the knife from suspect Bryan Kohberger, and she suffered deep cuts to her fingers. Chapin apparently suffered a slash to the neck, according to sources.

Sources: Idaho victim who was killed last fought back

Certain details conflict with what the coroner in the case, and police, initially said.

www.newsnationnow.com

2/3/2023

While I am appreciative of the link.... "according to sources"? "Apparently"? That has to be some really bad "Click me" journalism. IMO, your mileage may vary.

 

[minazoe]

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[Megnut]

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Reporting BK runs a 6 minute mile.

 

[SteveP]

This is not aimed at any post or poster, but I think it needs to be reiterated that there has been NO confirmation from any named LE source or court filing that suggests any knowledge as to order in which any of the four victims were murdered, or any specifics about the murders. I believe many, if not most here, believe that MM and KG were murdered first and second, in some order, and EC and XK were murdered next, in some order. Those thoughts make sense, and may be true, but there are aslo those here who believe that XK and EC may have been killed first. There have been posts and links suggesting specific knowledge about order of deaths. I, myself, posted a link earlier tonight to an article from an accepted source, and part of it stated that XK was killed last, and while I believe that she probably was, until we hear such from verified authorities, not families or unnamed sources, nothing is confirmed. JMO