4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #103

[girlhasnoname]

Oh, she's talking about the psychopath with bushy eyebrows?

 

[Warwick7]

Ok...I had not seen this when it came out.
It is clear, when LE entered BK's apartment he had his own bedroom locked.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1654325470551212033

 

[girlhasnoname]

Ok...I had not seen this when it came out.
It is clear, when LE entered BK's apartment he had his own bedroom locked.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1654325470551212033

WSU issued a No Trespassing Order against BK on Dec. 30th as shared in the last few seconds of this video. I knew there was one, but had forgotten the actual date of issue.

 

[Warwick7]

WSU issued a No Trespassing Order against BK on Dec. 30th as shared in the last few seconds of this video. I knew there was one, but had forgotten the actual date of issue.

Yeah.....
They wasted no time.
It only had been a few hours+ before that LE had arrested him.

 

[GA_Peach]

Would someone mind linking to the document Gray Hughes references in his recent video about the Door Dash delviery being made to the back porch? Thank you!

 

[Warwick7]

Would someone mind linking to the document Gray Hughes references in his recent video about the Door Dash delviery being made to the back porch? Thank you!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1905363874062467519

 

[femto]

This is not aimed at any post or poster, but I think it needs to be reiterated that there has been NO confirmation from any named LE source or court filing that suggests any knowledge as to order in which any of the four victims were murdered, or any specifics about the murders. I believe many, if not most here, believe that MM and KG were murdered first and second, in some order, and EC and XK were murdered next, in some order. Those thoughts make sense, and may be true, but there are aslo those here who believe that XK and EC may have been killed first. There have been posts and links suggesting specific knowledge about order of deaths. I, myself, posted a link earlier tonight to an article from an accepted source, and part of it stated that XK was killed last, and while I believe that she probably was, until we hear such from verified authorities, not families or unnamed sources, nothing is confirmed. JMO

I agree that nothing is conclusive, but the reality is that there is plenty of evidence to reconstruct what happened if you combine all statements made by the prosecution, Dylan's testimony, the parents who got some snippets of what happened, the coroner, etc. And that is that Maddie died in her bed with the sheath next to her meaning that Kohberger definitely went straight to the top floor and most likely killed Maddie first. Kaylee's body positioning next to the wall according to her parents indicates she had a small window to react which means she wasn't the first and was woken up. And finally when it comes to Xana and Ethan, Ethan died on the bed and never got up and Xana, being the only awake, fought. It would be impossible for Ethan to be the first victim with Xana being next or close to him. That would have raised quite the ruckus. Even if Bryan managed to sneak in while she was getting the food delivery and killed Ethan, that'd elicit some massive reaction of her and not a calm 'there's someone here'

 

[SteveP]

I agree that nothing is conclusive, but the reality is that there is plenty of evidence to reconstruct what happened if you combine all statements made by the prosecution, Dylan's testimony, the parents who got some snippets of what happened, the coroner, etc. And that is that Maddie died in her bed with the sheath next to her meaning that Kohberger definitely went straight to the top floor and most likely killed Maddie first. Kaylee's body positioning next to the wall according to her parents indicates she had a small window to react which means she wasn't the first and was woken up. And finally when it comes to Xana and Ethan, Ethan died on the bed and never got up and Xana, being the only awake, fought. It would be impossible for Ethan to be the first victim with Xana being next or close to him. That would have raised quite the ruckus. Even if Bryan managed to sneak in while she was getting the food delivery and killed Ethan, that'd elicit some massive reaction of her and not a calm 'there's someone here'

I, personally, also strongly believe that MM was the target, and was killed first, followed by KG, then EC and XK. Not everyone has read all 100+ threads of this case, as I, and perhaps you have, though, and I just think we need to sometimes remind newcomers, and ourselves, that there is far more that we do not know, for certain, about these murders still, than things that we do know, and lots of what we think we know, has never been confirmed by named authorities. "Unnamed sources" and even family members sometimes are not as informed as they may think, and may get things wrong at times. JMO

 

[NCWatcher]

I agree that nothing is conclusive, but the reality is that there is plenty of evidence to reconstruct what happened if you combine all statements made by the prosecution, Dylan's testimony, the parents who got some snippets of what happened, the coroner, etc. And that is that Maddie died in her bed with the sheath next to her meaning that Kohberger definitely went straight to the top floor and most likely killed Maddie first. Kaylee's body positioning next to the wall according to her parents indicates she had a small window to react which means she wasn't the first and was woken up. And finally when it comes to Xana and Ethan, Ethan died on the bed and never got up and Xana, being the only awake, fought. It would be impossible for Ethan to be the first victim with Xana being next or close to him. That would have raised quite the ruckus. Even if Bryan managed to sneak in while she was getting the food delivery and killed Ethan, that'd elicit some massive reaction of her and not a calm 'there's someone here'

Good observations @femto. BUT some of the things certain parents have said do not appear to be true or appear to contradict other things they've said. Whether the "snippets" gotten from LE weren't true (perhaps after more evidence came to light) or whether the parent rejected those snippets and believes other things for psychological reasons of his own, I can't say. And things the coroner has said I found quite unprofessional so I'm not likely to accept them as I might if they had been said under oath and subjected to cross examination.

I think @SteveP's point that everything without LE or court documentation is speculation is important to keep in mind. We periodically see claims made here as fact when they aren't. They may be logical speculation but aren't facts now.
MOO

 

[Justice101]

Ok...I had not seen this when it came out.
It is clear, when LE entered BK's apartment he had his own bedroom locked.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1654325470551212033

I've never ever heard of someone who lives alone locking their bedroom door when they are gone.

That is weird.

Of course, practically everything we learn about BK is weird.

 

[Justice101]

Sorry, to ask... but can someone give a basic timeline on the search for an Elantra versus the IGG testing of the sheath sample and all the other things around the time?

Somehow, I think this is the only possible weakness in the case although I thought the judge has ruled the defense can't use illegal search using IGG as a reason for a way to throw it out of evidence before the trial.

Police announce they are looking for a white Elantra - date?
BK identified by Pullman police having a white Elantra - date?
Sheath DNA taken to Texas for IGG testing to database - date?
Close family member of BK in database causing a "hit" of relative of perpetrator - date?
BK DNA confirmed match - Dec 29th?
Arrest warrant for BK in PA - Dec 30th?

And did I get any out of order?

thanks in advance

 

[Sachi]

Good observations @femto. BUT some of the things certain parents have said do not appear to be true or appear to contradict other things they've said. Whether the "snippets" gotten from LE weren't true (perhaps after more evidence came to light) or whether the parent rejected those snippets and believes other things for psychological reasons of his own, I can't say. And things the coroner has said I found quite unprofessional so I'm not likely to accept them as I might if they had been said under oath and subjected to cross examination.

I think @SteveP's point that everything without LE or court documentation is speculation is important to keep in mind. We periodically see claims made here as fact when they aren't. They may be logical speculation but aren't facts now.
MOO

Super important post.
Note- not sure this has happened to anyone else here but..
I took the stand as a witness at a trial and it was 2 years since the accident and my interview with LE and my mind was not remembering the incident exactly as they read my statement in court , so weird, my mind schmoozed it! Eye opening.

My Opinions are not facts
My Theories are not facts
My Feelings are not facts
Must repeat this to myself.

 

[sunshineray]

BK also applied for a job with LE in Pullman, so I don't believe he had major dexterity issues at all. Ridiculous attempt by the Defense, but they have nothing else, so...spaghetti defense.

JMO

Well he could sure navigate that car well that night, didn't hit any cars or buildings we know about while making pretty good time in his maneuvers. And even managed a couple of three-point turns in tight spacial areas. But holding a knife and lifting his arm up and down or side to side would be an impossible scenario? Yeah, not convincing me at all. JMO

 

[arielilane]

Impressive if true. As a runner, even in peak running form, I could never get to a 6 mm.

Incredible run time. Id be happy just to complete 10 min mile pace again. jmo

 

[arielilane]

The prosecution revealed that it no longer intends to rely on bank records from a surviving roommate as evidence in the Bryan Kohberger trial.

Bryan Kohberger prosecutors cut evidence on surviving Idaho roommate

The state revealed that it no longer intends to use bank records from a surviving roommate as evidence in the Bryan Kohberger trial.

www.newsweek.com

3/27/2025

 

[arielilane]

Video 5+ minutes

Strava data shows Bryan Kohberger ran six-minute mile | Banfield​

 

[sunshineray]

Exactly this: where are they?
Supposing BK were innocent, then it should be fairly straightforward for him to say: yes, I did buy a kbar knife and sheath for whatever reason, and they are right here in my home/ in my car/ at my parents'/ at a friend's house.

Other posters may find this silly, but more than touch DNA and blurry white sedan footage, this is the exact point that got me off the fence about his guilt: We now know he bought an identical sheath to the one found at the crime scene. So where is his sheath now?
In evidence, apparently.

And the he did this...after the murders. BBM

"New court filings in the Idaho student murders case could severely handicap suspect Bryan Kohberger's defense, according to legal experts – he allegedly purchased a Ka-Bar knife on Amazon months before the murders and then shopped for a replacement days after they took place."

Redirect Notice

 

[SteveP]

Sorry, to ask... but can someone give a basic timeline on the search for an Elantra versus the IGG testing of the sheath sample and all the other things around the time?

Somehow, I think this is the only possible weakness in the case although I thought the judge has ruled the defense can't use illegal search using IGG as a reason for a way to throw it out of evidence before the trial.

Police announce they are looking for a white Elantra - date?
BK identified by Pullman police having a white Elantra - date?
Sheath DNA taken to Texas for IGG testing to database - date?
Close family member of BK in database causing a "hit" of relative of perpetrator - date?
BK DNA confirmed match - Dec 29th?
Arrest warrant for BK in PA - Dec 30th?

And did I get any out of order?

thanks in advance

Info taken from various court docs and news articles...

Sheath hand delivered to Othram Labs, in Texas: Nov 22, 2022.
Moscow LE looking for white Elantra: Nov 25, 202.2.
BK identified as owner of white Elantra: Nov 29, 2022
Police announce to public their interest in talking to driver of White Elantra seen in immediate area of crime at time of crime: Dec 7, 2022
FBI gets sheath back from Othram Labs on Dec 10, 2022, for further testing.
Close family member of BK causes a "hit" relative to BK: Dec 19. 2022.
DNA match is made between the trash recovered from the Kohberger family residence and evidence found at the crime: Dec 28, 2022
Arrest warrant issued: Dev 29, 2022
BK arrested in pre-dawn hours, at parents' home in Pa: Dec 30, 2022.

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23564652/idaho-murders-court-document-unsealed.pdf

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/022125-Transcript-Redacted-hearing-held-Jan23-2025.pdf

Timeline: University of Idaho murder case and the arrest of Bryan Kohberger

A timeline of the University of Idaho murders and the arrest of Bryan Kohberger, who is charged in the case.

www.usatoday.com

 

[arielilane]

Ms. Allen will appear for the limited purpose of assisting the Latah County Prosecuting

Attorney with jury selection scheduled to commence on July 30, 2025. Ms. Allen’s assistance with

jury selection will include responding to Defendant’s Motion to Adopt Voir Dire Procedure and

Objection to “Magic Question.”

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/032425-Notice-Appearance-Allen.pdf

 

[sunshineray]

The prosecution revealed that it no longer intends to rely on bank records from a surviving roommate as evidence in the Bryan Kohberger trial.

Bryan Kohberger prosecutors cut evidence on surviving Idaho roommate

The state revealed that it no longer intends to use bank records from a surviving roommate as evidence in the Bryan Kohberger trial.

www.newsweek.com

3/27/2025

Anyone understand the reason why BF, DM and XK's bank records would be needed? Possibly witness DM's to show where and how she spent money that night, if she was at a club or bar? But why would the prosecution care about murder victim XK's bank records? Just the DD timing? And I've not heard anything about witness BF previous whereabouts that night. Are the D saying she was also inebriated?