4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #103

[Megnut]

Video 5+ minutes

Strava data shows Bryan Kohberger ran six-minute mile | Banfield​

6 minute miles
Some at 12:45 at night
Did not run an established route

I think we can 'athletic' fits. Runner physique.

And avid runners gunna run when avid runners have the time. Early, late. Just wondering how many run after midnight. Doesn't make him a murderer... but it does make me go hmmmmmm?

When does he sleeeeeeeeep? Does he sleep? I don't feel great knowing he was running, in the middle of the night, in residential neighborhoods.

Feel less good imagining him out there taking photos. Of stars, if he gets caught.

I can't prove it, but I can't help but to wonder if we're looking at natural escalation. Childhood prowling in his own home, window peeping into other people's homes, hot prowling, burglary and souveniring, leading up to home invasion and murder.

I wonder if he festooned his night-running attire with safety reflectors or if he was blacked out, head to toe, complete with his Darth Vader balaclava. Perfect cover for prowling and creeping -- if ever stopped, yes, officer, I'm just out running, stargazing, taking pictures, nothing to see here.

JMO

 

[Boxer]

Sorry, to ask... but can someone give a basic timeline on the search for an Elantra versus the IGG testing of the sheath sample and all the other things around the time?

Somehow, I think this is the only possible weakness in the case although I thought the judge has ruled the defense can't use illegal search using IGG as a reason for a way to throw it out of evidence before the trial.

Police announce they are looking for a white Elantra - date?
BK identified by Pullman police having a white Elantra - date?
Sheath DNA taken to Texas for IGG testing to database - date?
Close family member of BK in database causing a "hit" of relative of perpetrator - date?
BK DNA confirmed match - Dec 29th?
Arrest warrant for BK in PA - Dec 30th?

And did I get any out of order?

thanks in advance

Info taken from various court docs and news articles...

Sheath hand delivered to Othram Labs, in Texas: Nov 22, 2022.
Moscow LE looking for white Elantra: Nov 25, 202.2.
BK identified as owner of white Elantra: Nov 29, 2022
FBI gets sheath back from Othram Labs on Dec 10, 2022, for further testing.
Close family member of BK causes a "hit" relative to BK: Dec 19. 2022.
DNA match is made between the trash recovered from the Kohberger family residence and evidence found at the crime: Dec 28, 2022
Arrest warrant issued: Dev 29, 2022
BK arrested in pre-dawn hours, at parents' home in Pa: Dec 30, 2022.

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23564652/idaho-murders-court-document-unsealed.pdf

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/022125-Transcript-Redacted-hearing-held-Jan23-2025.pdf

Just a note:

Nov 25 was the internal police agencies BOLO for a white Elantra.
BKs Elantra noted 4 days later Nov 29 by WSU police. The public appeal for white Elantras was Dec.7.

Timeline: University of Idaho murder case and the arrest of Bryan Kohberger

A timeline of the University of Idaho murders and the arrest of Bryan Kohberger, who is charged in the case.

www.usatoday.com

 

[SteveP]

Just a note:

Nov 25 was the internal police agencies BOLO for a white Elantra.
BKs Elantra noted 4 days later Nov 29 by WSU police. The public appeal for white Elantras was Dec.7.

Timeline: University of Idaho murder case and the arrest of Bryan Kohberger

A timeline of the University of Idaho murders and the arrest of Bryan Kohberger, who is charged in the case.

www.usatoday.com

Thanks! I added that to my dateline.

 

[Megnut]

Anyone understand the reason why BF, DM and XK's bank records would be needed? Possibly witness DM's to show where and how she spent money that night, if she was at a club or bar? But why would the prosecution care about murder victim XK's bank records? Just the DD timing? And I've not heard anything about witness BF previous whereabouts that night. Are the D saying she was also inebriated?

Just a guess, standard searches. LE didn't know who the killer was or what the connection, if any, might be. Important to determine where the victim(s), parties (survivors) had been. Part of the investigation. I imagine that XK's is the most valuable return on their searches, because it should sync with her door dash order and give insight into timing, the order itself, any special instructions for the driver, etc. Did she select a 4am delivery? Was that just chance? Front door delivery? Slider?

Who could have known the timeline would prove so critical, so tight? In Delphi we had Richard Allen whom no one could get off the bridge. Here we have BK who literally parked himself at 1122, in his identifiable Elantra, with his phone turned off, precisely at the time four young adults were knifed to death. Didn't do it cleanly. Didn't do it silently. Awakened witnesses, left his DNA behind, and a bloody mess of death behind.

AT doesn't want me to call him a murderer.

Vampire.

JMO

 

[NCWatcher]

Anyone understand the reason why BF, DM and XK's bank records would be needed? Possibly witness DM's to show where and how she spent money that night, if she was at a club or bar? But why would the prosecution care about murder victim XK's bank records? Just the DD timing? And I've not heard anything about witness BF previous whereabouts that night. Are the D saying she was also inebriated?

So much has haappened since then it's hard to remember.. I believe at one point LE was supposedly investigating the possibility of drug sales at the party house. I think a majority of the student renters there had bank accts at the same bank. A bit odd to me.

I cannot find a link about the discarded theory of drugs sales with all the recent "breaking news" in the case. So this is just my opinion.

 

[sunshineray]

So much has haappened since then it's hard to remember.. I believe at one point LE was supposedly investigating the possibility of drug sales at the party house. I think a majority of the student renters there had bank accts at the same bank. A bit odd to me.

I cannot find a link about the discarded theory of drugs sales with all the recent "breaking news" in the case. So this is just my opinion.

Seems to me just the fact of their ages and living at a university, the drug angle for a mass slaughter would always need to be looked at. So I guess looking at all occupant's bank records would be normal. I hadn't considered the drug angle as all these kids, right off the bat, didn't seem the type, IMO. As far as they all had accounts at the same bank, I suppose that might be optimal for renters and landlord for paying rent split 5 or 6 ways?

 

[NCWatcher]

Seems to me just the fact of their ages and living at a university, the drug angle for a mass slaughter would always need to be looked at. So I guess looking at all occupant's bank records would be normal. I hadn't considered the drug angle as all these kids, right off the bat, didn't seem the type, IMO. As far as they all had accounts at the same bank, I suppose that might be optimal for renters and landlord for paying rent split 5 or 6 ways?

The renters rented independently, I believe. There wasn't a single house rent that was split. Each bedroom was under a rental contract.

I don't think early on we knew what type the dead students were except that 3 of the 4 lived in the off-campus party house that periodically attracted police attention.

I think even EC had an acct at the same bank & that had nothing to do with the landlord at Kings Rd.
MOO

 

[MeadowMuffin]

I don’t think fine motor skills are needed for killing, tbh. The defense is essentially saying, “he cannot be a surgeon” while the proper question should be, “can he be in special forces?” Different requirements.

About running, Running, biking and swimming are sports where midline stays fixed/straight. JMO, they are not as much affected by developmental coordination disorder. Dancing should be affected more. Or, performing sequential actions in a short time. Or - any activity where right and left side of the body would need to perform different movements at the same time; even alpine skiing might be difficult.

But we don’t know much about BK. I would agree that if BK did not notice DM he may have a certain visiospatial issue.

Personally, I would be surprised if anyone could navigate, rapidly kill and escape an unknown place. You almost imagine someone well-trained, with experience in such activities, or, indeed, two people used to work as a couple. But again, we don’t know how things progressed.

BBM
Certainly the murders of 4 young, sleepy/sleeping inebriated young people can be stabbed to death quickly by someone not familiar with their surroundings.

Dr Chad Isaak shot and stabbed 4 people at work

For an unknown reason,chiropractor Chad Isaak entered RJR Management company in Mandan, North Dakota on an April Fool's Day while 4 employees arrived for work. After the first married couple entered, Isaak entered, fought with them (items were knocked over), shot and stabbed the husband and wife. There were at least 3 firearms available to them but the victims were blitzed and couldn't get to them. Isaak then waited for the next employee to arrive, quickly shot and stabbed him, hid the body. Last victim, the owner, entered and was he was not shot but was stabbed to death.

So this occurred in an office/work space that Isaak had never been in before. In fact, he didn't know the victims, had briefly met the owner once a couple years before, as Isaak lived in a trailer park managed by the company. No previous arguments, nothing, just a meet and greet.

The medical examiner testified that all the injuries could have been caused within 21 minutes, 98 total stab/slash wounds. Also testified it is possible all the wounds could have been caused by one person. Due to outside cameras, it was known there was only one assailant.

As I wrote, he was a chiropractor. Had been in the Navy in Hawaii and worked as a lab tech there, he was not involved in combat. Don't know anything about this murderer's knife skills. I never could learn if he was a hunter; he wore reversible camo during the murders and did reverse his clothes before leaving the building to avoid detection. But people (like me) wear camo even if not a hunter during hunting season so you are visible to hunters. He was found guilty, LWOP, and dispatched himself the day after his first appeal was submitted.

 

[Warwick7]

Just a note:

Nov 25 was the internal police agencies BOLO for a white Elantra.
BKs Elantra noted 4 days later Nov 29 by WSU police. The public appeal for white Elantras was Dec.7.

Timeline: University of Idaho murder case and the arrest of Bryan Kohberger

A timeline of the University of Idaho murders and the arrest of Bryan Kohberger, who is charged in the case.

www.usatoday.com

Now that's interesting. BK's Elantra noted 4 days later Nov 29 by WSU police.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Seems to me just the fact of their ages and living at a university, the drug angle for a mass slaughter would always need to be looked at. So I guess looking at all occupant's bank records would be normal. I hadn't considered the drug angle as all these kids, right off the bat, didn't seem the type, IMO. As far as they all had accounts at the same bank, I suppose that might be optimal for renters and landlord for paying rent split 5 or 6 ways?

Moscow is a fairly small town. Might not be that many banks to choose from. It doesn’t seem odd to me they had accounts at the same bank.

 

[Boxer]

So much has haappened since then it's hard to remember.. I believe at one point LE was supposedly investigating the possibility of drug sales at the party house. I think a majority of the student renters there had bank accts at the same bank. A bit odd to me.

I cannot find a link about the discarded theory of drugs sales with all the recent "breaking news" in the case. So this is just my opinion.

I believe invedtigations move out from a murder itself in concentric circles of proximity and relationship.

 

[Warwick7]

Just a guess, standard searches. LE didn't know who the killer was or what the connection, if any, might be. Important to determine where the victim(s), parties (survivors) had been. Part of the investigation. I imagine that XK's is the most valuable return on their searches, because it should sync with her door dash order and give insight into timing, the order itself, any special instructions for Did she select a 4am delivery? Was that just chance? Front door delivery? Slider?

Who could have known the timeline would prove so critical, so tight? In Delphi we had Richard Allen whom no one could get off the bridge. Here we have BK who literally parked himself at 1122, in his identifiable Elantra, with his phone turned off, precisely at the time four young adults were knifed to death. Didn't do it cleanly. Didn't do it silently. Awakened witnesses, left his DNA behind, and a bloody mess of death behind.

AT doesn't want me to call him a murderer.

Vampire.

JMO

I was thinking about the same for Xana.

But, even if they don't use these bank records, by going through Door Dash alone, they would be able to "sync with her door dash order and give insight into timing, the order itself, any special instructions for the driver, etc."

 

[Megnut]

Moscow is a fairly small town. Might not be that many banks to choose from. It doesn’t seem odd to me they had accounts at the same bank.

They probably all got free stadium blankets for opening new accounts when they started school. Pretty common actually.

JMO

 

[Baby baby Jane]

I was thinking about the same for Xana.

But, even if they don't use these bank records, by going through Door Dash alone, they would be able to "sync with her door dash order and give insight into timing, the order itself, any special instructions for the driver, etc."

Re:the door dash. Bank records would cement the transaction. Likely to show that this guy was not the murderer. She ordered, she paid, it was delivered and driver went to next task.
Wonder if bank records will put any of the 4, in the same place as BK in prior weeks. Could be easier search than phone records (and make connection if anyone phone off, dead battery or burner.)

And show that none of them bought a K-bar sheath.

 

[NCWatcher]

They probably all got free stadium blankets for opening new accounts when they started school. Pretty common actually.

JMO

Maybe. The bank doesn't have a branch in Moscow, at least not now. And plenty of other banks do. But LE decided they weren't big time drug dealers, maybe users but no one cared about that


MOO
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[SteveP]

Now that's interesting. BK's Elantra noted 4 days later Nov 29 by WSU police.

It was actually noted by 2 different officers within a few hours' time...

On Nov 29, 2022, at approx 12:28 am, WSU police officer Daniel Tiengo queried white Elantras registered at WSU. As a result of that query, he located a 2015 Hyundai Elantra, with a Pennsylvania license plate, registered to Bryan Kohberger, residing at 1630 NE Valley Road, Apartment 201, Pullman, Washington. That is about 3/4 mile from intersection of Stadium Way and Cougar Way (last camera location that picked up the white Elantra).

That same day at approximately 12:58 am., WSU Officer Curtis Whitman was looking for white Hyundai Elantras and located a 2015 white Hyundai Elantra at 1630 NE Valley Road in Pullman in the parking lot. Officer Whitman also ran the car and it returned to Kohberger with a Washington tag.

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23564652/idaho-murders-court-document-unsealed.pdf

 

[Warwick7]

It was actually noted by 2 different officers within a few hours' time...

On Nov 29, 2022, at approx 12:28am, WSU police officer Daniel Tiengo queried white Elantras registered at WSU. As a result of that query, he located a 2015 Hyundai Elantra, with a Pennsylvania license plate, registered to Bryan Kohberger, residing at 1630 NE Valley Road, Apartment 201, Pullman, Washington. That is about 3/4 mile from intersection of Stadium Way and Cougar Way (last camera location that picked up the white Elantra).

That same day at approximately 12:58 am., WSU Officer Curtis Whitman was looking for white Hyundai Elantras and located a 2015 white Hyundai Elantra at 1630 NE Valley Road in Pullman in the parking lot. Officer Whitman also ran the car and it returned to Kohberger with a Washington tag.

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23564652/idaho-murders-court-document-unsealed.pdf

WOW!!

 

[vls12345]

It was actually noted by 2 different officers within a few hours' time...

On Nov 29, 2022, at approx 12:28am, WSU police officer Daniel Tiengo queried white Elantras registered at WSU. As a result of that query, he located a 2015 Hyundai Elantra, with a Pennsylvania license plate, registered to Bryan Kohberger, residing at 1630 NE Valley Road, Apartment 201, Pullman, Washington. That is about 3/4 mile from intersection of Stadium Way and Cougar Way (last camera location that picked up the white Elantra).

That same day at approximately 12:58 am., WSU Officer Curtis Whitman was looking for white Hyundai Elantras and located a 2015 white Hyundai Elantra at 1630 NE Valley Road in Pullman in the parking lot. Officer Whitman also ran the car and it returned to Kohberger with a Washington tag.

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23564652/idaho-murders-court-document-unsealed.pdf

Another piece of this is that once the public appeal was made about white Elantras, I think BK did *not* respond to LE/that appeal. But he was a criminology major & had to be following it all (because everyone there knew about the crime & he was the type of person to be highly interested in crime, him being the killer notwithstanding). Him not responding is another piece of circumstantial evidence against him, imo.

 

[seasideForest]

Don't use rings. There are a lot of shower curtain styles. Some easier to use than others. Here's one such:

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Easy breezy...

RUDSJÖN shower curtain rings, stainless steel color - IKEA

RUDSJÖN shower curtain rings, stainless steel color

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I'm not sure how easy breezy that is when you're lacking fine motor skills! Not that I believe BK is lacking them.
MOO

 

[NyxNY]

Thanks, I figured the pics were taken hours later.

I believe you're right, Gemmie. That picture was from when forensics were on the scene later that day