4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #103

[SteveP]

Thankfully, because the killer was careless enough to leave the sheath behind, with the killer's, and only the killer's DNA on a vitally important part of it, which led right to BK's door, the state has been able to build what, I believe, most of us feel is a very strong case against BK. I do believe however, that even without that DNA, at some point, likely not nearly as quickly, BK would have been identified as the killer, and arrested. He had already popped up on police radar by the first of December. I think a lot more canvassing of the areas around King Rd and the Pullman apartment complex, a lot more legwork, digging, and tips would have eventually honed in on and begun to peel away the secret life of BK. I also think if interviewed by LE, early on, his bs'ing skills that he apparently thinks can get him out of anything, as it did in the traffic stop with the female officer in Washington, would have failed him miserably, and he probably would have divulged way too much information. I also believe that once his name popped up, they had not only his address, but IIRC, his phone number, from a previous stop, and were able to start working with that info as well. I do think the state's case, in that scenario, would have been a lot more circumstantial, and not nearly as strong. Again, thankfully, his careless or unluckymistake ultimately made LE's jobs a lot easier. JMO

 

[Boxer]

Another piece of this is that once the public appeal was made about white Elantras, I think BK did *not* respond to LE/that appeal. But he was a criminology major & had to be following it all (because everyone there knew about the crime & he was the type of person to be highly interested in crime, him being the killer notwithstanding). Him not responding is another piece of circumstantial evidence against him, imo.

Agree with this. Proof of consciousness.

 

[Boxer]

Thankfully, because the killer was careless enough to leave the sheath behind, with the killer's, and only the killer's DNA on a vitally important part of it, which led right to BK's door, the state has been able to build what, I believe, most of us feel is a very strong case against BK. I do believe however, that even without that DNA, at some point, likely not nearly as quickly, BK would have been identified as the killer, and arrested. He had already popped up on police radar by the first of December. I think a lot more canvassing of the areas around King Rd and the Pullman apartment complex, a lot more legwork, digging, and tips would have honed in on and begun to peel away the secret life of BK. I also think if interviewed by LE, early on, his bs'ing skills that he apparently thinks can get him out of anything, as it did in the traffic stop with the female officer in Washington, would have failed him miserably, and he probably would have divulged way too much information. I also believe that once his name popped up, they had not only hi address, but IIRC, his phone number, from a previous stop, and were able to start working with that info as well. I do think the state's case, in that scenario, would have been a lot more circumstantial, and not nearly as strong. Again, thankfully, his careless or stupid mistake ultimately made LE's jobs a lot easier. JMO

Maybe those intermittant fine motor skills caused him to lose the sheath. Stabbing is one thing, keeping a sheath in a pair of coveralls during exertion is another.
Coveralls are famous for expelling everything from pockets, unless it's a pencil in which case the coveralls will hang on to it until it stabs you. Nothing a white collar wasteling would know about.

 

[Sundog]

They probably all got free stadium blankets for opening new accounts when they started school. Pretty common actually.

JMO

Also, some universities allow certain banks to establish a banking space on their campus, including a space in the Student Union building and ATM machines on campus. The partnership usually includes sponsorship related to athletic programs, etc. in return for the option to establish banking center(s) on the campus. It is convenient for students to do their banking in the Student Union with banking staff becoming "specialists" so to speak regarding issues students may have with their banking needs. In addition, the banks get to "capture" a young person who may stick with them long term after graduating.

 

[Charlot123]

BBM

You are correct, we don't know much about BK. Often it seems we think we do based on anonymous source media reports. Or people believe information gleaned from social media they believe was written by BK, while nothing has been proven in that regard for those sources. Or people believe named media sources reporting what THEY SAY happened with BK over a decade ago. While these sources could be credible, they aren't under oath and may have their own reasons for reporting-- 15 minutes of fame, historical "issues" with BK that were never resolved, and so on. People on WS are free to believe those sources but they aren't "proof."
MOO

As always.
BTW, I have to state it somewhere.
I am absolutely sure that internet excitement about "PR, the WWII soldier in avatar" is empty and it was not BK posting. Yes, as always, there are few solid facts known to us..

 

[jepop]

Another piece of this is that once the public appeal was made about white Elantras, I think BK did *not* respond to LE/that appeal. But he was a criminology major & had to be following it all (because everyone there knew about the crime & he was the type of person to be highly interested in crime, him being the killer notwithstanding). Him not responding is another piece of circumstantial evidence against him, imo.

Just like his sudden cessation of late night visits to Moscow after the murders. Not coming forward to help with elantra elimination ( as an innocent person truly interested in preventing crime would) does not bode well. If it walks and talks like a duck, in this case it's without any doubt a duck. Jmo

 

[Ghostwheel]

New random thought. WHAT IF another family member bought the KaBar knife for a trip with other things and BK stole it (like he did the phone earlier in life) and he was searching for a replacement to put it back in someone else's belongings so they wouldn't miss it?

 

[Boxer]

As always.
BTW, I have to state it somewhere.
I am absolutely sure that internet excitement about "PR, the WWII soldier in avatar" is empty and it was not BK posting. Yes, as always, there are few solid facts known to us..

There were two - the orIginal FB poster was an argumentative poster who posed questions about the crime...I think PR started FB posting 11/30.
Probably a fluke some poster picked an avatar that is a doppleganger for BK's self image. For reference Dec 7 was the public appeal for the Elantra.

 

[Justice101]

And the he did this...after the murders. BBM

"New court filings in the Idaho student murders case could severely handicap suspect Bryan Kohberger's defense, according to legal experts – he allegedly purchased a Ka-Bar knife on Amazon months before the murders and then shopped for a replacement days after they took place."

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Wow, it just keeps getting worse for BK

 

[jepop]

I believe invedtigations move out from a murder itself in concentric circles of proximity and relationship.

Exactly. I believe this was a thorough investigation involving many angles. It means the public can be assured, and incidentally serves to mitigate doubt a future defense may attempt to sew via SODDI and tunnel vision.

Back in the day there was the usual msm and sm chatter and talking heads politics about the 'delay' in arresting a suspect. Seems to me MPD did extremely well in managing the public through press releases and public info pages. Ex Chief Fry was being criticised and the memory that remains with me from those days is him trying to calm down the critics by insisting on patience and citing the integrity of the investigation. "We want a conviction, not just an arrest". Kudos to all of them. Jmo

 

[Megnut]

You know why AT wants to focus on 7 minutes in the 2 am hour? To differt attention away from 7+ minutes at 1122.

It's that simple, that blatant.

It won't work.

JMO

 

[SteveP]

New random thought. WHAT IF another family member bought the KaBar knife for a trip with other things and BK stole it (like he did the phone earlier in life) and he was searching for a replacement to put it back in someone else's belongings so they wouldn't miss it?

If that is the case, then they will almost certainly get an opportunity to explain that in trial. "Did you ever report a break-in and theft of said knife from home or auto? When did you determine that it was missing? Was the defendant living in your home at the time?"

The possible questionable ownership of the knife is a moot point, though, as it seems that LE have financial records and associated purchases during specific time ranges that will allow them to prove that it was BK who purchased the knife. And although I know that they must love their son and brother, I cannot see any family member perjuring themself to save BK. JMO

 

[Ghostwheel]

If that is the case, then they will almost certainly get a n opportunity to explain that in trial. "Did you ever report a break-in and theft of said knife from home or auto? When did you determine that it was missing? Was the defendant living in your home at the time?"

The possible questionable ownership of the knife is a moot point, though, as it seems that LE have financial records and associated purchases during specific time ranges that will allow them to prove that it was BK who purchased the knife. And although I know that they must love their son and brother, I cannot see any family member perjuring themself to save BK. JMO

If they do have it tying back to BK slam dunk (credit card, etc), no problems. If they don't, it could change the landscape a bit. Especially if no one noticed the knife missing until after the murders or arrest or bothered to report it stolen because they thought it just wasn't where they thought it was and was somewhere else. I won't elaborate on it here, but the rest of you can figure out how it could change things quite a bit. I'm hoping for the slam dunk of course.

 

[Boxer]

If that is the case, then they will almost certainly get a n opportunity to explain that in trial. "Did you ever report a break-in and theft of said knife from home or auto? When did you determine that it was missing? Was the defendant living in your home at the time?"

The possible questionable ownership of the knife is a moot point, though, as it seems that LE have financial records and associated purchases during specific time ranges that will allow them to prove that it was BK who purchased the knife. And although I know that they must love their son and brother, I cannot see any family member perjuring themself to save BK. JMO

Do young women typically buy Kabars?
Collecting a set of weapons is a pretty male thing to do.
In this case especially, because adding the sharpener meant it was not just for decoration.

 

[Ghostwheel]

Do young women typically buy Kabars?
Collecting a set of weapons is a pretty male thing to do.
In this case especially, because adding the sharpener meant it was not just for decoration.

Oh, Boxer...... you should see my arsenal.

 

[gremlin444]

New random thought. WHAT IF another family member bought the KaBar knife for a trip with other things and BK stole it (like he did the phone earlier in life) and he was searching for a replacement to put it back in someone else's belongings so they wouldn't miss it?

I'm fairly certain reporting around the time of the arrest said that neither sister still lived with the parents. One had been staying there for part of the Xmas holiday, but didn't reside there.

So, that would leave his mom or dad. Neither of who seem the type to need a 7" blade for a trip.

The state, in their filings, seemed pretty confident they could show who made the purchase due to payment methods, devices, etc.

 

[Ghostwheel]

Do young women typically buy Kabars?
Collecting a set of weapons is a pretty male thing to do.
In this case especially, because adding the sharpener meant it was not just for decoration.

But in all honesty, do young women buy kabars for boyfriends/spouses/fathers? Do fathers buy kabars for themselves?

With any luck, it all ties back to something of BK with no question of who did it (credit card, ip address, browser history, etc). We have not seen proof of that yet that I know of.

 

[Boxer]

But in all honesty, do young women buy kabars for boyfriends/spouses/fathers? Do fathers buy kabars for themselves?

With any luck, it all ties back to something of BK with no question of who did it (credit card, ip address, browser history, etc). We have not seen proof of that yet that I know of.

Do young women buy boyfriends people killing knives? Well I guess the jury will have to weigh that possobility.

 

[Boxer]

Oh, Boxer...... you should see my arsenal.

I am not saying it's a rule, as many women have weapons, only saying it is mainly a male interest.
BKs sisters and parents will explain if it was them that bought the Kabar.

 

[Ghostwheel]

Do young women buy boyfriends people killing knives? Well I guess the jury will have to weigh that possobility.

This from my own experience. Yes, because they want that particular knife for whatever reason. Its not used just for killing people. But that is neither here nor there just answering.

The difference would be how it was approached whether proven BK purchased it vs proven not BK purchased it, but had access to it. That was what I was thinking. Remember no one has to prove someone else did it, just cause reasonable doubt that he was the only person who could have done it. It would only take one juror to believe it and pay no attention to the other circumstantial evidence. I'd like to believe people are smarter than that, but evidence shows sometimes not.