4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #103

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  • #361
vls12345 said:
Another piece of this is that once the public appeal was made about white Elantras, I think BK did *not* respond to LE/that appeal. But he was a criminology major & had to be following it all (because everyone there knew about the crime & he was the type of person to be highly interested in crime, him being the killer notwithstanding). Him not responding is another piece of circumstantial evidence against him, imo.
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Yes! So true. His students , iirc, said that they talk about it in class and he was quiet during the discussion. Moo- yet I heard this alluded to in a prior threads , the old license plate changaroo didn’t work.
 
  • #362
SteveP said:
I, personally, also strongly believe that MM was the target, and was killed first, followed by KG, then EC and XK. Not everyone has read all 100+ threads of this case, as I, and perhaps you have, though, and I just think we need to sometimes remind newcomers, and ourselves, that there is far more that we do not know, for certain, about these murders still, than things that we do know, and lots of what we think we know, has never been confirmed by named authorities. "Unnamed sources" and even family members sometimes are not as informed as they may think, and may get things wrong at times. JMO
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Agreed, anything is a possibility until we hear what unfolds at trial.

I am open to both scenarios, and go back/forth on any given day as new Motions are made public based on the timeline. Of course we all reason and logic differently, so there is no right or wrong answer at this point. :)

The reality is that four innocent college students ended up being brutally murdered regardless of the order in which it occurred. :(

JMO
 
  • #363
sunshineray said:
Anyone understand the reason why BF, DM and XK's bank records would be needed? Possibly witness DM's to show where and how she spent money that night, if she was at a club or bar? But why would the prosecution care about murder victim XK's bank records? Just the DD timing? And I've not heard anything about witness BF previous whereabouts that night. Are the D saying she was also inebriated?
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BF and DM were out together in Moscow. Some have suggested at the same frat party at least for some time that Xana and Ethan were at.

They got home first and earlier than the others, but all were home relatively close to 2:00 am. IIRC.
 
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  • #365
Sachi said:
Yes! So true. His students , iirc, said that they talk about it in class and he was quiet during the discussion. Moo- yet I heard this alluded to in a prior threads , the old license plate changaroo didn’t work.
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Noticeably quiet because any other time BK knew everything and wanted to be the smartest man in the room. His students also reported a change in physical demeanor, and started giving out all passing grades like he didn't care.

The grade scenario could have been in response to the Prof. having the conversation that he was too hard on some of the students, females in particular. They created a list of 'Bryan Grievances'. I wonder when the Professor had that specific conversation with BK as TA in relation to the murders?

MOO
 
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Defense did not object to the demolition of 1122 KIng Rd house, but now their expert has all kinds of issues with a model replica the state wants to use, because, well, because among other things, it isn't going to have furniture, and also shows associated topography, and it is going to take him a while to analyze all the data, (apparently 4 months is not enough time) and he is going to have to plan a day trip to go look at it, when it is created, and... from the filing today...

9. ... I have been informed that the model will not have any furniture, original materials or other objects that take up space in the normal layout of the residence. The absence of these features can influence the appearance of spatial relationships as they actually existed and were captured in original photos and video...

10. Finally, on March 14, 2025, I was provided with the data from which the model will be built. This data includes over 100 individual 3D scans that have been stitched together and include not only the residence, but the topography of the surrounding landscape. Assessing this data will take considerable time and then examining the finished product and verifying scale, dimension and completeness will take additional time on top of that...

11. Once the download has been completed the analysis will take approximately one or two days to assess the scan data. After my analysis of the scan data is complete, I will need to arrange a viewing of the exhibit and a description as to how the scan data was translated into the actual physical exhibit needs to be provided.

12. Traveling to examine the model created and documenting what may be needed to further assess it are things that are not built into my schedule at this time...

Methinks the defense doth protest too much. JMO

 
  • #368
MassGuy said:
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Sy is going to die on that hill.

How does anything BK did or didn't do a long hour before the commission of the crime qualify as exculpatory? Unless he died during that preceding hour, at best it might provide him with an alibi for 2:54 am. How does that help him for 4:12?

IANAL but is he swimming in the reeds over work product the defense isn't even entitled to?

Same with the AT&T stuff. BK's phone was OFF so it's not even relevant, to the tower dump. Suspicious as heck but Sy and the other guy are making my head spin.

Of course they're going to have issues with the 3D model of 1122. Anything they can do to focus on the construct and away from the crime --

I guess that's all she's got. The evidence is overwhelming so she has to invent negative evidence. Negavidence. Argue about things that don't exist, then conflate them and imply there's something nefarious there. Collusion, conspiracy.

Sy is going to sink his professional ship.

JMO
 
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Perhaps the Defense should find an expert who's schedule allows?
 
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SteveP said:
Defense did not object to the demolition of 1122 KIng Rd house, but now their expert has all kinds of issues with a model replica the state wants to use, because, well, because among other things, it isn't going to have furniture, and also shows associated topography, and it is going to take him a while to analyze all the data, (apparently 4 months is not enough time) and he is going to have to plan a day trip to go look at it, when it is created, and... from the filing today...

9. ... I have been informed that the model will not have any furniture, original materials or other objects that take up space in the normal layout of the residence. The absence of these features can influence the appearance of spatial relationships as they actually existed and were captured in original photos and video...

10. Finally, on March 14, 2025, I was provided with the data from which the model will be built. This data includes over 100 individual 3D scans that have been stitched together and include not only the residence, but the topography of the surrounding landscape. Assessing this data will take considerable time and then examining the finished product and verifying scale, dimension and completeness will take additional time on top of that...

11. Once the download has been completed the analysis will take approximately one or two days to assess the scan data. After my analysis of the scan data is complete, I will need to arrange a viewing of the exhibit and a description as to how the scan data was translated into the actual physical exhibit needs to be provided.

12. Traveling to examine the model created and documenting what may be needed to further assess it are things that are not built into my schedule at this time...

Methinks the defense doth protest too much. JMO

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As if. As if 1122, were it still standing, would still be furnished. OK, AT, want us to do some virtual staging? Put the Jack on the Box bag by the sink, put well-behaved Murphy back in KG's room. Best put the blood-soaked mattresses back. All in the name of accuracy.

I'm sorry, if AT's spatial aptitude guy is too busy to study the State's model, maybe he shouldn't sign on. What's he want the Judge to do? Gold Star for finding time among his other responsibilities to fo whatever AT hired him for?

AT is manufacturing negative space. Setting up to challenge the model because perspective might be off by a whiff. Calling the State dishonest, whining about discovery she hasn't yet shown exists or is due here, or that it has relevance.

So the house is a problem, AT&T is a problem, the drive test is a problem, 2:54 is a problem.

I'd say, in truth, the actual evidence is a problem.

For the defendant.

JMO
 
  • #371
girlhasnoname said:
Noticeably quiet because any other time BK knew everything and wanted to be the smartest man in the room. His students also reported a change in physical demeanor, and started giving out all passing grades like he didn't care.

The grade scenario could have been in response to the Prof. having the conversation that he was too hard on some of the students, females in particular. They created a list of 'Bryan Grievances'. I wonder when the Professor had that specific conversation with BK as TA in relation to the murders?

MOO
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I do wonder if someone who was struggling with quite extreme neuro-divergence issues simply threw in the towel and became an enraged incel type when the push back from peers turned into the group confrontation using the full force of the whole group, the hierarchy, superiors and the whole institution itself. Possibly that could have left someone already struggling with nowhere to go, emotionally speaking. In terms of some theories that would leave a person in the suicidal stance. Does it trigger some like BK into the homicidal (and suicidal) stance, hence he's a first time killer who did something so extreme as opposed to an escalating progressive violent offender.

JMO but I imagine he doesn't care for his life any longer and is just playing this case out to the end for the sake of it and the gamble he could be freed on a technicality or random juror. Maybe doesn't care about the DP, also may wish to take his own life but is now being actively prevented from doing so?
JMO MOO
 
  • #372
JMO but they should have left the house in situ until the case was through. We did worry that it being demolished could affect the case and now that very issue has arisen, so it was a valid concern.
 
  • #373
Observe_dont_Absorb said:
JMO but they should have left the house in situ until the case was through. We did worry that it being demolished could affect the case and now that very issue has arisen, so it was a valid concern.
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We did worry, or I did anyway, but neither the state, nor the defense objected to the demolition of the house, and honestly, with trial starting almost three years after the murders, a boarded up, chain-link-fence-enclosed house of horrors would have been a daily reminder that most of the citizens of the town likely did not wish to have to look at, understandably so. Both the state and defense each had access to the house for 2 days before demolition, to prepare for creation of models, take measurements and photos, and trial prep.

And besides, I think we have seen enough in these court filings to know that were 1122 King Rd still there, defense would still find countless things about it to object to. JMO
 
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Boxer said:
There were two - the orIginal FB poster was an argumentative poster who posed questions about the crime...I think PR started FB posting 11/30.
Probably a fluke some poster picked an avatar that is a doppleganger for BK's self image. For reference Dec 7 was the public appeal for the Elantra.
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I am even more convinced than before that PR on FB was actually the FBI. JMO obviously, but 11/30 is the day after WSU police id'd BK as an owner of a white elantra in the suspect range. I can't help but believe they had to have notified someone on the investigation team. Being that WSU is in a different state from the crime, notifying the FBI makes sense to me.

Also, FB was kind of old news, especially for younger people. I can't image a college student in 2022 initiating a new FB account.

JMO
 
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Observe_dont_Absorb said:
Possibly that could have left someone already struggling with nowhere to go, emotionally speaking. In terms of some theories that would leave a person in the suicidal stance. Does it trigger some like BK into the homicidal (and suicidal) stance, hence he's a first time killer who did something so extreme as opposed to an escalating progressive violent offender.
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Well he had plenty of time to kill himself if that is where his head was at. Instead he seems to have taken as many steps as he could think of to avoid detection. Also, the knife was purchased ahead of the complaints against him iirc.
I can see your point about the timing of the school complaints and when he actually committed the murders being related but more as a final incentive to do what he had been envisioning and planning for a while.
And fwiw, I still think there is a reasonable chance that this was not his first violent act. Jmo
 
  • #376
mmeynstyn said:
I am even more convinced than before that PR on FB was actually the FBI. JMO obviously, but 11/30 is the day after WSU police id'd BK as an owner of a white elantra in the suspect range. I can't help but believe they had to have notified someone on the investigation team. Being that WSU is in a different state from the crime, notifying the FBI makes sense to me.

Also, FB was kind of old news, especially for younger people. I can't image a college student in 2022 initiating a new FB account.

JMO
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I think (could be wrong) that at that point the PR profile was a only contributor on someone elses FB page.
WSU car ID as Kohbergers happened on 11/29.
Public call for White Elantras Dec. 7
It seems at least someone knew what BK looked like, or wanted to look like.
 
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6. There is a divide in the forensic DNA community on this topic. One side supports the NIST

report’s recommendation. The other side believes that not offering an opinion based on

knowledge of molecular biology/DNA when it may aid the trier of fact is unethical. At the

most recent American Academy of Forensic Sciences meeting held in Baltimore in February

of 2025, there were presentations supporting both sides of this argument, demonstrating the

current divide in the community.


7. The phrase “touch DNA” is widely used in the forensic DNA community and was used in Dr.

Ruth Ballard’s expert witness disclosure for this case when referring to the DNA on the knife

sheath. It is typically used to describe DNA collected from items of evidence in areas on the

item that would most likely be touched by the user of that item.


8. The term “Trace DNA” implies amount. The word trace is defined as a very small amount

and is used in the scientific literature when describing evidence samples with low amounts of

DNA that do not yield a profile or only a partial profile. I would not be willing to use that

term and it would be inappropriate to apply that term to the DNA on the knife sheath because

a trace amount of DNA is not what was detected on Item 1.1, and referring to it as trace DNA

would be misleading to the trier of fact.



03/17/2025 Affidavit of Rylene Nowlin

State of Idaho v. Bryan C. Kohberger
 
  • #378
SteveP said:
Defense did not object to the demolition of 1122 KIng Rd house, but now their expert has all kinds of issues with a model replica the state wants to use, because, well, because among other things, it isn't going to have furniture, and also shows associated topography, and it is going to take him a while to analyze all the data, (apparently 4 months is not enough time) and he is going to have to plan a day trip to go look at it, when it is created, and... from the filing today...

9. ... I have been informed that the model will not have any furniture, original materials or other objects that take up space in the normal layout of the residence. The absence of these features can influence the appearance of spatial relationships as they actually existed and were captured in original photos and video...

10. Finally, on March 14, 2025, I was provided with the data from which the model will be built. This data includes over 100 individual 3D scans that have been stitched together and include not only the residence, but the topography of the surrounding landscape. Assessing this data will take considerable time and then examining the finished product and verifying scale, dimension and completeness will take additional time on top of that...

11. Once the download has been completed the analysis will take approximately one or two days to assess the scan data. After my analysis of the scan data is complete, I will need to arrange a viewing of the exhibit and a description as to how the scan data was translated into the actual physical exhibit needs to be provided.

12. Traveling to examine the model created and documenting what may be needed to further assess it are things that are not built into my schedule at this time...

Methinks the defense doth protest too much. JMO

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Well, maybe they should have built their own then. 🥴
 
  • #379
Megnut said:
Sy is going to die on that hill.

How does anything BK did or didn't do a long hour before the commission of the crime qualify as exculpatory? Unless he died during that preceding hour, at best it might provide him with an alibi for 2:54 am. How does that help him for 4:12?

IANAL but is he swimming in the reeds over work product the defense isn't even entitled to?

Same with the AT&T stuff. BK's phone was OFF so it's not even relevant, to the tower dump. Suspicious as heck but Sy and the other guy are making my head spin.

Of course they're going to have issues with the 3D model of 1122. Anything they can do to focus on the construct and away from the crime --

I guess that's all she's got. The evidence is overwhelming so she has to invent negative evidence. Negavidence. Argue about things that don't exist, then conflate them and imply there's something nefarious there. Collusion, conspiracy.

Sy is going to sink his professional ship.

JMO
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“Negavidence”. I like it.
 
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Warwick7 said:
Well, maybe they could have built their own then.
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Surely you jest! Their expert barely has time to look at one that the state builds. He is a busy man... JMO
 
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