4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #105

[INfisherman]

Word salad ( he not you!)

Vegan grammar. (Yes, I took it as intended, no worries)

 

[NoeticSoul]

AT succeeded in getting BK associated with Bushy Eyebrows at a viral level.

imo YAY! for JH! his Bushy Eyebrows have been so screamingly apparent since day one. It's going to be an unavoidable BARD moment for the jury after all of the testimony and all said and done. Just one big piece of the rest of the undisputable TRUTH.

eta I forgot the MOO , dang

 

[Boxer]

Or Ushy-bey Eyebrow-say in Porcine Legal latin.

 

[schooling]

Rough day for BK and the defense team today. Nothing surprising though.

Both statements are MOO.

 

[Cool Cats]

That was my thought too, and I still wonder if he perhaps saw one or more of them at WinCo initially, and somehow followed them home. I can imagine them doing a late night beer run if a party was going on at 1122 King Rd. JMO

Mad Greek restaurant. Some victims were employed there and BK could be assured that his vegan pizza did not touch meat.

According to a former employee at the Mad Greek restaurant in Moscow, Idaho, Bryan Kohberger came in at least twice to grab vegan pizza. Two of the victims — Madison Mogen and Xana Kernodle — were servers at the restaurant.

A strict vegan, Kohberger would check to make sure that his food had not come into contact with animal products.

The owner of Mad Greek, Jackie Fischer, says in a Facebook post that the report is based on "completely fabricated information."

A spokesperson for People said that "PEOPLE stands by its reporting."

The People report also stated that an investigator familiar with the case said that law enforcement is aware of Kohberger's visit to the restaurant.

Idaho Suspect Bryan Kohberger Visited Restaurant Where 2 Victims Worked 'at Least Twice' Before Killings

According to a former employee at the Mad Greek restaurant in Moscow, Idaho, Bryan Kohberger came in at least twice to grab vegan pizza

people.com

<modsnip: not an approved source>

 

[Kemug]

Maybe BK will have a similar story, how he just happened by the house, missed tripping over the real murderer but somehow left his knife and sheath there magically both before and after the murders, for that other guy to use half and leave half behind.

Maybe he'll demonstrate for us how he used to couldn't tie his shoelaces or apparently ride a bike.

As if it were relevant.

JMO

I don't believe it for a second, but at least Door Dash man gives BK and AT something to work with, ie another person who was definitely at the house. I'm surprised the Defence hasn't made more of it.

 

[MassGuy]

I don't believe it for a second, but at least Door Dash man gives BK and AT something to work with, ie another person who was definitely at the house. I'm surprised the Defence hasn't made more of it.

I think the issue is that his movements would be tracked. This sort of thing has come up in other cases with Uber drivers for instance. He likely continued making deliveries after dropping off that order, making it impossible for the defense to point fingers at him.

 

[Boxer]

I don't believe it for a second, but at least Door Dash man gives BK and AT something to work with, ie another person who was definitely at the house. I'm surprised the Defence hasn't made more of it.

MOO Probably his phone and car gps corroborates where he went after dropping the girls off.

 

[Warwick7]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1913391114754666813

 

[Boxer]

Amazon delivered a Kabar to Brain Kohberger. What is up with the defense. They are saying false thing because evidence is confidential, what gain is there in constantly being shown to have known something is false and stating it in court anyway.
Yes its an Amazon family account, but BK is the purchaser and the addressee if the Kabar.

 

[katydid23]

I gather from this that Aug 21, 2022 was one of the twenty-three times that BK's cell-phone was consistent with being in the area of 1122 King Road, between July 9, 2022 and Nov 7, 2022, and the video of the night-time traffic stop helps to corroborate some of that expected testimony. If there is a time stamp on the video, and it is later at night, after 10 pm, that will be even stronger corroboration. JMO

I wonder what he told the officer that he was doing or where he was coming from? Don't cops usually ask drivers that as a starting place in the convo during a traffic stop?

Cop: Hello sir, can I see your ID and Ins card, and where are ya headed tonight?

 

[sunshineray]

To whom do we think he said it?

As he descended the stairs after murdering MM and KG, was he shrouded in darkness when XK perhaps set her food in the kitchen, then emerged from the darkness as she moved toward her bedroom, his words designed to allay any fear so he could gain control over her? In three strides, he could have overtaken her, easy in the microslice of time her brain would have taken time evaluate friend v. foe, giving him the advantage, upon her while she was still processing, then a whimper as she realized he was 100% foe and by then, BK might have had her at her bedroom door, weapon to her neck, when he saw EC.

It's all too horrific, no matter how one imagines it.

JMO

If XK was outside her bedroom when first encountering/seeing him, she could have scooted into her bedroom and he said at the doorway, " It's okay. I'm here to help you" to both EC (could have just been woken by XK) and XK. EC could have been killed very quickly at the door area and then XK manage to fight back enough to have defensive injuries but he overpowered her, pushing her across the room to that outside wall. Could be why the neighbor's camera picked up the sounds it did?

 

[sunshineray]

I gather from this that Aug 21, 2022 was one of the twenty-three times that BK's cell-phone was consistent with being in the area of 1122 King Road, between July 9, 2022 and Nov 7, 2022, and the video of the night-time traffic stop helps to corroborate some of that expected testimony. If there is a time stamp on the video, and it is later at night, after 10 pm, that will be even stronger corroboration. JMO

That's at least enough times to drive by once a week for 4 month's time...or one night a month of crazy drive-bys, just like the night of the murders.

Either way it's surveillance, stalking, planning, possibly even changing his mind once or twice, all ruminations and evidence of premeditation. AJMO

 

[Cool Cats]

I gather from this that Aug 21, 2022 was one of the twenty-three times that BK's cell-phone was consistent with being in the area of 1122 King Road, between July 9, 2022 and Nov 7, 2022, and the video of the night-time traffic stop helps to corroborate some of that expected testimony. If there is a time stamp on the video, and it is later at night, after 10 pm, that will be even stronger corroboration. JMO

Yes, it was after 10:00 pm.

A citation from Latah County Sheriff’s Office, obtained by The Independent, reveals that Kohberger was stopped by police late at night in his Hyundai Elantra on August 21st for failing to wear his seatbelt.

The traffic stop took place at around 11:40 pm at the intersection of West Pullman Road and Farm Road in Moscow, Idaho. This intersection is just 1.7 miles - a five minute drive - from 1122 King Road.

It is not clear what Kohberger was doing in the area at the time. Records show the case – an infraction – was closed in September.

Bryan Kohberger was stopped by police minutes from Idaho murders home in August

At the time of the August incident, Mr Kohberger was driving his white Hyundai Elantra – the same vehicle that would later be at the centre of the investigation into the murders

www.the-independent.com

 

[dalsglen]

A strict vegan, Kohberger would check to make sure that his food had not come into contact with animal products.

SBBM Except for that leather sheath eh

 

[girlhasnoname]

AT succeeded in getting BK associated with Bushy Eyebrows at a viral level.

 

[NCWatcher]

All that about intentionally baggy clothes and lowered chairs in the last thread may be true. But BK has been jailed for nearly 1 1/2 years and it's not surprising some clothes might start to fit differently. And while the "bodybuilding prisoner" is a common image, not everyone in jail fits that stereotype, especially if an incarcerated person prefers bodybuilding through running. Also as this article states

Bryan Kohberger fitted with protective helmet after landing in Idaho

Video posted to Twitter shows sheriff’s deputies placing the protective headgear on the high-profile suspect at an airport near Moscow, Idaho, late Wednesday to ensure he was safely transported to …

nypost.com

BK was transported to Idaho in a suicide vest and that would bulk him up. He was also fitted with a protection helmet at the airport. According to the above link "It is unclear why exactly officers decided to fit Kohberger with the protective helmet, but many on Twitter noted that Idaho permits the open carrying of firearms."

That makes me think BK may have worn a bullet proof vest under his suit to some hearings, at least initially. Certainly he would not have been described as slim or athletic but not muscular in the bulked up formal attire he wore early on.

Kaylee's father made a big point about the suits, Wanted to know who paid for them. But he was unsuccessful in getting that info because of the gag order. KG, Kaylee's mom said it made her sick to see BK in a suit. (Honestly that came as a surprise to me. As a family member I'd think seeing the person would be enough.) She said “(I’ve) never seen another murderer or whatever he is at this point in a case not in handcuffs, not in shackles, one or the other, or both, and in orange.” I'm not sure how often she goes to pre-trial hearings or follows cases in the media. I can't say I see prison garb in real life NC hearings I've attended. But she does in Idaho. https://www.newsnationnow.com/crime...aylee-goncalves-mother-sick-seeing-kohberger/

The defense team may have wanted to shut up the Goncalves and based on the Supreme Court decision about prison garb being prejudicial took the opportunity to make a motion that was accepted. This gave the team other ways to dress BK "innocent." Also people have pointed out lawyers on both sides are acting more casual in Ada Co than in Moscow. So some of it may be context.
MOO

 

[Rolypolyoly]

All that about intentionally baggy clothes and lowered chairs in the last thread may be true. But BK has been jailed for nearly 1 1/2 years and it's not surprising some clothes might start to fit differently. And while the "bodybuilding prisoner" is a common image, not everyone in jail fits that stereotype, especially if an incarcerated person prefers bodybuilding through running. Also as this article states

Bryan Kohberger fitted with protective helmet after landing in Idaho

Video posted to Twitter shows sheriff’s deputies placing the protective headgear on the high-profile suspect at an airport near Moscow, Idaho, late Wednesday to ensure he was safely transported to …

nypost.com

BK was transported to Idaho in a suicide vest and that would bulk him up. He was also fitted with a protection helmet at the airport. According to the above link "It is unclear why exactly officers decided to fit Kohberger with the protective helmet, but many on Twitter noted that Idaho permits the open carrying of firearms."

That makes me think BK may have worn a bullet proof vest under his suit to some hearings, at least initially. Certainly he would not have been described as slim or athletic but not muscular in the bulked up formal attire he wore early on.

Kaylee's father made a big point about the suits, Wanted to know who paid for them. But he was unsuccessful in getting that info because of the gag order. KG, Kaylee's mom said it made her sick to see BK in a suit. (Honestly that came as a surprise to me. As a family member I'd think seeing the person would be enough.) She said “(I’ve) never seen another murderer or whatever he is at this point in a case not in handcuffs, not in shackles, one or the other, or both, and in orange.” I'm not sure how often she goes to pre-trial hearings or follows cases in the media. I can't say I see prison garb in real life NC hearings I've attended. But she does in Idaho. https://www.newsnationnow.com/crime...aylee-goncalves-mother-sick-seeing-kohberger/

The defense team may have wanted to shut up the Goncalves and based on the Supreme Court decision about prison garb being prejudicial took the opportunity to make a motion that was accepted. This gave the team other ways to dress BK "innocent." Also people have pointed out lawyers on both sides are acting more casual in Ada Co than in Moscow. So some of it may be context.
MOO

I get your point about BK's length of incarceration so far, and of course that is going to affect his appearance, however a shrinking body due to lack of meaningful exercise doesn't preclude the defence supplying him with a smaller shirt. One would think that a smart presentation would be the best impression their client could give, afterall they made a big thing about him being allowed to wear a suit to hearings and all. I'm sure the budget could stretch to a better fitting shirt. JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/041825+Order+on+Defendants+Motion+in+Limine+RE+Witness+Identification+by+Bushy+Eyebrows.pdf

So, to put to rest all the debate about what DM meant went she described the intruder's body type--i.e. the debate in court about what skinny, athletic but not muscular meant, here are her specific words:

(the day of the victims were found):

D.M. gave the description a third time, repeating he had a mask, he was an inch or two taller than her, he was "basketball player kind of skinny," and a voice she did not recognize.

(same day)
At approximately 1:47 p.m. that same day, D.M. was interviewed at the Moscow Police Department by Detective Lawrence Mowery. During this interview, D.M. reported she saw a white male she did not know, "maybe my height, a few inches taller, skinny, athletic built,"

(four days later)
D.M. described the male as "skinny tone, that basketball kind of type."

(Dec 1, 2022)
D.M. stated she saw a "all black figure about my height, maybe few inches taller, skinny build," wearing a mask.

(NOTE: the above descriptions are all before BK was arrested)

(Dec. 29, 2022)
They asked D.M. whether she had seen a picture of Defendant. She stated she had seen the mug shot, but had "no clue" whether Defendant was the person she saw in her house. /d. at 96:23-97: 19. She explained: From what I remember, I just remember seeing this figure that was, like, not fat, obviously but more of like the skinnier tone build, and some mask on.

(May 15, 2023, grand jury testimony)
D.M. testified she opened her door again and saw "a figure in all black, which I believe was a person. ... I knew the person was white. I don't know how, but I just knew it. Knew it was male. I think I knew that because of the voice. The person was around my height or a few inches taller. ... And then I knew his build wasn't like scrawny, and he wasn't fat, so I figured it was like the basketball toned, lean build."

Typical physique of a serious runner. Lean, but toned.

JMO

 

[Rolypolyoly]

I asked earlier about which door was open.

Did Xana come out to the kitchen to get a drink and maybe let's say wash some catsup or mayo off her hands? If she saw the slider open she would have shut it.

XK saying "someone’s here" has bugged me from the beginning. (I do think it was her.) It was a party house where there were likely random people in and out all of the time and where 5 people lived. There would always be noises. Besides, in the past, how often had KG drunk texted her boyfriend late and he came over?

As for the slider, if BK had left it open and she shut it. Was that enough to prompt her to say "someone's here"?

And why would she just say that outloud? If she did call out "someone's here" who was she talking too? DM said by 4am everyone was in their rooms or asleep. And getting her food from doordash I would imagine she was already trying to be quiet.

I used to think she went to use the bathroom and then saw BK. But, the bathroom is right next to her bedroom. She would have had to have been startled by him in the kitchen.

Could Ethan had woke up and asked her if she would get him a glass of water? If he was slightly awake that could be him she's saying out loud "someone's here."

During those seconds at seeing him did fear set in? She ran to her bedroom but couldn't keep him out. He may have slashed her and at the same time Ethan could have yelled "What's going on!" BK had no choice but to attack him. After that he turns around and says to her that he's there to help...

I have often wondered by the time he stepped away from EC if she had attempted to stand up. Then when he attacked her again, she fell hard. Maybe that's why the neighbors camera picked up the thud.

Bringing this forward as I wasn't in time to reply on the last thread (I got distracted with softball lol).

I think maybe DM slightly misheard, and it's possible that she heard Xana say "Is someone here?" Rather than making the statement "Someone is here", as a result of seeing the sliding door open. Especially if she had just closed it after receiving her delivery?