4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #105

[Balthazar]

You are right we don't know have actual discovery. But, at the beginning of each thread there is the PCA link and link to pictures. In the pics below one mattress is a twin bed and the one in the forefront is the double bed, which I feel came from XK's room. You can really see the blood.

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It will be interesting to hear what the experts think the location of bloodstains on this mattress mean during the trial. It seems we will hear two versions of this crime: 1 with a single attacker and 2 with at least 2 attackers. JMO.

 

[SteveP]

I am very interested in seeing the traffic stop video of Aug 21, 2022, at 11:40pm, about 5 minutes away from the King Road house, and on a road that is basically a direct line from BK's apartment to 1122. How was he dressed? All in black perhaps? Most of us, I believe, think that after the murders, he quickly shed a pair of dark coveralls, gloves, and black balaclava, before getting into his car and driving away, but have we ever really given thought as to when he donned that attire? Did he leave the house with the coveralls on, or did he stop his vehicle, very close by, as there does seem to be brief periods of time when he may have stopped briefly, based on some of Gray Hughes' video re-enactments, using time stamped video surveillance, and did he jump out and put them on when he felt the time was right for the attacks? Did he always keep the KaBar knife, balaclava, gloves, and shoe covers, and maybe a shower curtain, in the trunk or glove compartment of his car, just in case any particular night out could turn into THAT night? Had he not been stopped by LE on Aug 21, could that have been THAT night? His first time driving very close to the home, between 10pm and 4am, was on July 7, according to cell phone location data, so by late August, he may had already begun formulating a plan. Was Nov 13, 2022 really the first night he decided to murder someone, or was it just the first night that he didn't talk himself out of it, or have his plan interrupted? JMO

 

[Warwick7]

Educated guess: EC was both on and off the bed. Murdered on the bed. The bed took up most of the room. His heft and gravity may have rendered him top heavy, forcing the bed away from the wall enough so that he fell partially into that space. And the bed shifting might be what forced the door shut (if it opened inward. XK might have been killed behind the open door, then the bed shifted, the door shut, and XK's body could have fallen across the doorway, the door closed behind her.

Anybody got an interior photo showing which was the bedroom doors open?

JMO

Yes it is at the beginning of the thread. It is a link of pictures. Her room is in there.

 

[MassGuy]

I am very interested in seeing the traffic stop video of Aug 21, 2022, at 11:40pm, about 5 minutes away from the King Road house, and on a road that is basically a direct line from BK's apartment to 1122. How was he dressed? All in black perhaps? Most of us, I believe, think that after the murders, he quickly shed a pair of dark coveralls, gloves, and black balaclava, before getting into his car and driving away, but have we ever really given thought as to when he donned that attire? Did he leave the house with the coveralls on, or did he stop his vehicle, very close by, as there does seem to be brief periods of time when he may have stopped briefly, based on some of Gray Hughes' video re-enactments, using time stamped video surveillance, and did he jump out and put them on when he felt the time was right for the attacks? Did he always keep the KaBar knife, balaclava, gloves, and shoe covers, and maybe a shower curtain, in the trunk or glove compartment of his car, just in case any particular night out could turn into THAT night? Had he not been stopped by LE on Aug 21, could that have been THAT night? His first time driving very close to the home, between 10pm and 4am, was on July 7, according to cell phone location data, so by late August, he may had already begun formulating a plan. Was Nov 13, 2022 really the first night he decided to murder someone, or was it just the first night that he didn't talk himself out of it, or have his plan interrupted? JMO

I imagine he was dressed normally. He had his phone powered on, which means he almost certainly wasn't planning an attack on that particular night, or on the 22 other trips.

 

[Megnut]

FWIW (The DM) This article is paywalled but also turns up in the DM "archives". I found this bit interesting speaking about his D team:

https://archive.ph/2025.04.17-063057/https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14618245/bryan-kohberger-trial-idaho-murders-mother-sabotage.html#selection-1397.0-1415.103

It goes on to say that it is BK's mother who is encouraging him to plead not guilty.

His mom may have told him that initially, unable to imagine that he -- or really anyone -- could do what he was accused of.

Surely AT has apprised BK of the intergalactic mountain evidence against him and his odds of being found not guilty. Pleading guilty to the charges, straight up without dilution, might have been a fair case for justice, early on. Confess to it all, accept 4 life sentences in exchange for the DP.

Ah, but methinks BK said no. Or refuses to say anything.

He may well refuse to say anything about thst 25 hour period, or any of the days before or after, but lives nothing better than the sound of his voice talking about the future, as if he's got one outside of custody EVER. Bet he loves talking about criminal psychology, as if he's got the pipe, the smoking jacket and an audience that cares.

He knows he has no defense, and I think AT underestimates how little BK cares. He has forced her to defend him and would find this all entertaining and trifling until AT decided his best course was to highlight his adult weirdness and childhood ineptitude in the hopes of creating a leap to serious physical and mental impairment, which has to burn every nerve fiber he's got. Fine by me.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

I imagine he was dressed normally. He had his phone powered on, which means he almost certainly wasn't planning an attack on that particular night, or on the 22 other trips.

Ah, yes, but extra handy for him if his line was always star-gazing. It would make dark clothing make sense, so long as no one thought about it too long. Dark clothing doesn't make stars shine brighter, but as a quick answer paired with garbage small talk (Thai food, anyone?), bet he'd get a free pass and nary another thought.

Answer for everything.
Doesn't believe crosswalks are for him.
Doesn't believe seatbelts save lives.
Probably doesn't believe in speed limits.
Thinks tailgating is Lane management.
Could probably argue for months about angles, skies, constellations, light pollution, and prime viewing so convincingly and exhaustively, no one would think to question a balaclava and search for the weapon.

What I'm saying -- AT didn't invent star-gazing. I believe BK has been using it for months, maybe years, to explain away his nighttime forays. His standard alibry.

jmo

 

[SteveP]

I imagine he was dressed normally. He had his phone powered on, which means he almost certainly wasn't planning an attack on that particular night, or on the 22 other trips.

Good point, that I did not consider. I do think it is possible though, that at least one or more of his many drive-by's was not merely a dry run, but was perhaps also a dress rehearsal, trying to get his timing down, though I believe any of those would have been much later in the evening than 11:40, well after most people were in for the night, and off of the roads. JMO

 

[Boxer]

Yes, it was after 10:00 pm.

A citation from Latah County Sheriff’s Office, obtained by The Independent, reveals that Kohberger was stopped by police late at night in his Hyundai Elantra on August 21st for failing to wear his seatbelt.

The traffic stop took place at around 11:40 pm at the intersection of West Pullman Road and Farm Road in Moscow, Idaho. This intersection is just 1.7 miles - a five minute drive - from 1122 King Road.

It is not clear what Kohberger was doing in the area at the time. Records show the case – an infraction – was closed in September.

Bryan Kohberger was stopped by police minutes from Idaho murders home in August

At the time of the August incident, Mr Kohberger was driving his white Hyundai Elantra – the same vehicle that would later be at the centre of the investigation into the murders

www.the-independent.com

WinCo is there, he was stopped on Farm Rd. Which is the Moscow side of the whole shopping complex.

 

[Sundog]

https://archive.ph/2025.04.17-063057/https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14618245/bryan-kohberger-trial-idaho-murders-mother-sabotage.html#selection-1397.0-1415.103

From this article that was posted above, Howard Blum is predicting that sometime this summer, before the trial, BK's defense team will do the following -

They will appeal to the court that their uncooperative, uncompromising client is preventing them from doing what's in his best interest. His autism prohibits him from making reasonable decisions. Therefore, they will want to take the decision-making power out of his hands. Despite their client's protests, they will ask the court to allow a guilty plea – with the hope that in return the state will forgo the death penalty and accept a life sentence.

I think that Blum's speculation is far-fetched and I don't think that an attorney can go against the wishes of their client with regard to a plea. I think that the most they could do would be to ask to be taken off the case but at this stage in the process, I don't think the judge would allow that.

In any event, I don't think AT will go this route and intends to see this case through with the goal of avoiding a death sentence for BK, and possibly also with the goal of laying the groundwork for an appeal of the case.

 

[NoeticSoul]

Ah, yes, but extra handy for him if his line was always star-gazing. It would make dark clothing make sense, so long as no one thought about it too long. Dark clothing doesn't make stars shine brighter, but as a quick answer paired with garbage small talk (Thai food, anyone?), bet he'd get a free pass and nary another thought.

Answer for everything.
Doesn't believe crosswalks are for him.
Doesn't believe seatbelts save lives.
Probably doesn't believe in speed limits.
Thinks tailgating is Lane management.
Could probably argue for months about angles, skies, constellations, light pollution, and prime viewing so convincingly and exhaustively, no one would think to question a balaclava and search for the weapon.

What I'm saying -- AT didn't invent star-gazing. I believe BK has been using it for months, maybe years, to explain away his nighttime foray.

jmo

BBM I think so too. I feel that he's been an incel and a peeping tom of women and girls since probably HS. May not even be his first murder 'rodeo'.... he just happened to be stupid and leave the sheath. (moo)

eta He's got a very stalky vibe and his selfie at the top of these threads I find very unnerving!!

 

[gremlin444]

This says both found on the floor.

"Police arrived to find Kernodle and Chapin dead on the floor of the second floor. Upstairs, Goncalves and Mogen were dead in one of the beds with visible stab wounds."

Redirect Notice

I've read every court document pretty closely as it has come out.

I am 99% sure that in the legal documents, Ethan's location has not been specified either than in Xana's room. None of them have specified on the bed or on the floor or some other option.

News media has mentioned both bed and floor, usually stating it as fact but not citing the source of their information. I don't think they have any official information about that and are, in most cases, just speculating.

I do recall, as someone stated above, that Ethan's mom said he was found in the bed. I believe that was in a video interview?

 

[NoeticSoul]

https://archive.ph/2025.04.17-063057/https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14618245/bryan-kohberger-trial-idaho-murders-mother-sabotage.html#selection-1397.0-1415.103

From this article that was posted above, Howard Blum is predicting that sometime this summer, before the trial, BK's defense team will do the following -

They will appeal to the court that their uncooperative, uncompromising client is preventing them from doing what's in his best interest. His autism prohibits him from making reasonable decisions. Therefore, they will want to take the decision-making power out of his hands. Despite their client's protests, they will ask the court to allow a guilty plea – with the hope that in return the state will forgo the death penalty and accept a life sentence.

I think that Blum's speculation is far-fetched and I don't think that an attorney can go against the wishes of their client with regard to a plea. I think that the most they could do would be to ask to be taken off the case but at this stage in the process, I don't think the judge would allow that.

In any event, I don't think AT will go this route and intends to see this case through with the goal of avoiding a death sentence for BK, and possibly also with the goal of laying the groundwork for an appeal of the case.

What they could do as they've indicated as a possibility is to request a competency evaluation. But then they'd be screwed if it came back normal or very low on any spectrum or MUCH WORSE!

 

[SteveP]

FWIW (The DM) This article is paywalled but also turns up in the DM "archives". I found this bit interesting speaking about his D team:

https://archive.ph/2025.04.17-063057/https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14618245/bryan-kohberger-trial-idaho-murders-mother-sabotage.html#selection-1397.0-1415.103

It goes on to say that it is BK's mother who is encouraging him to plead not guilty.

The very first sentence in Blum's article contains incorrect information...

For two intense days in a Boise courtroom last week, the prosecution and defense in the forthcoming trial of Bryan Kohberger, the 30-year-old graduate student accused of brutally murdering four University of Idaho students in an off-campus home, engaged in a combative back-and-forth on a multitude of crucial evidentiary issues.

Unless he saw something I didn't, there were not two days of hearings. Two days were set aside, but everything got done in one. Am I the only one who missed this apparent day two? JMO

 

[gremlin444]

I'm going to have to re-read this several times to process this. By the way good work!

You wrote:
"D.M. stated she opened her door a second time when she heard what she thought was crying coming from Kemodle's room. D.M. THEN said she heard a male voice say something to the effect of "it's ok, I'm going to help you."

Just so I have this straight, she heard crying, opened her door again, and that's when she heard a male voice say "It's ok, I'm going to help you."?
 

Correct.

Here is the order of events from what is in the PCA and recent filings over the last month:

--4:00 a.m. approximately: DM woken up by what she thought was sounds of KG playing with her dog upstairs
--"a short time later"--DM hears who she thinks is KG say "there's someone here"--police note XK's Tiktok shows she was likely active on her phone at 4:12 and it could have been her saying it
--DM opens door for the first time, looks out, sees nothing. Closes door.
--DM hears what she thinks is crying/whimper from XK's room
--DM opens her door a 2nd time, while door is open she hears "It's okay, I'm going to help you." Closes door.
--for a reason we are not aware of (not yet stated in the court docs that have been made available, including the PCA), DM opens her door a third time. Sees masked man in black walking towards and past her to kitchen. Closes and locks door. Begins calling roommates.

 

[Warwick7]

Correct.

Here is the order of events from what is in the PCA and recent filings over the last month:

--4:00 a.m. approximately: DM woken up by what she thought was sounds of KG playing with her dog upstairs
--"a short time later"--DM hears who she thinks is KG say "there's someone here"--police note XK's Tiktok shows she was likely active on her phone at 4:12 and it could have been her saying it
--DM opens door for the first time, looks out, sees nothing. Closes door.
--DM hears what she thinks is crying/whimper from XK's room
--DM opens her door a 2nd time, while door is open she hears "It's okay, I'm going to help you." Closes door.
--for a reason we are not aware of (not yet stated in the court docs that have been made available, including the PCA), DM opens her door a third time. Sees masked man in black walking towards and past her to kitchen. Closes and locks door. Begins calling roommates.

Thank you...

 

[Megnut]

Good point, that I did not consider. I do think it is possible though, that at least one or more of his many drive-by's was not merely a dry run, but was perhaps also a dress rehearsal, trying to get his timing down, though I believe any of those would have been much later in the evening than 11:40, well after most people were in for the night, and off of the roads. JMO

We don't know whether or how many times he drove there with his phone off....

 

[Arkay]

Oof, the idea suggested of BK intending to commit necrophilia on Maddie is very painful to read and imagine, IMO.

Since the very beginning I’ve vacillated on whether BK was after Maddie, or after Maddie and Kaylee, or whether he just scouted around to find an approachable house with easy entry.

I do tend to mainly believe, as many do, that his goal was Maddie. Maybe at the Mad Greek, maybe elsewhere, that he fixated on her and she likely was either unaware of him, or she gave him hell if he pestered her at the restaurant.

It could be that there was a perfect storm, for him, that the girl for whom he felt both desire and revenge lived in a house that was easy enough for him to stealthily enter.

Kaylee was RIGHT THERE so he had to kill her as well. I imagine that as we saw in the food truck livestream, KG was not as intoxicated as MM. To my mind that’s why KG was against the wall, because she’d sat up when he approached, and Maddie hadn’t.

I also think he would perhaps have bypassed Xana and Ethan’s room, if not for the fact that XK was awake and eating her Door Dash meal. Then of course Ethan had to be dealt with, as well.


I know this is all old news—-a situation we’ve discussed for over two years now.

I just find myself ruminating today since there are several posts about where Ethan etc. were found.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

BBM I think so too. I feel that he's been an incel and a peeping tom of women and girls since probably HS. May not even be his first murder 'rodeo'.... he just happened to be stupid and leave the sheath. (moo)

eta He's got a very stalky vibe and his selfie at the top of these threads I find very unnerving!!

Murder uniform: gloves, dark coveralls and a balaclava

Works for "star-gazing", works for hot prowling.

I think BK's been watching people sleep for years and maybe even decades.

It's a serious violation of one's personal space, and as such, gives a sense of power, mastery, control, thrill to one who practices to perfect it.

Can I prove it? No. But I can imagine it.

23 times... that's next level.

JMO

 

[gremlin444]

My mind keeps wondering: what led DM to open her door for the third and final time?

She'd already heard the whimper/crying from XK's room, then opened it and heard the male voice saying "It's okay, I'm going to help you," then closed it. From the tight timeline, she had to have reopened it that third time not too long after the 2nd time she opened it.

The security camera picked up the thump/dog barking at 4:17 and the car speeding off at 4:20.

Was it the thump combined with dog barking that led her to open the door for the 3rd time?

 

[Nila Aella]

My mind keeps wondering: what led DM to open her door for the third and final time?

She'd already heard the whimper/crying from XK's room, then opened it and heard the male voice saying "It's okay, I'm going to help you," then closed it. From the tight timeline, she had to have reopened it that third time not too long after the 2nd time she opened it.

The security camera picked up the thump/dog barking at 4:17 and the car speeding off at 4:20.

Was it the thump combined with dog barking that led her to open the door for the 3rd time?

Crying according to the PCA.

D.M. said she heard who she thought was Goncalves say something to the effect of "there's someone here."
D.M. stated she looked out of her bedroom but did not see anything when she heard the comment about someone being in the house.

D.M. said she opened her door a second time when she heard what she thought was crying coming from Kernodle's room.

D.M. said she opened her door for the third time after she heard the crying and saw a figure clad in black clothing

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR29-22-2805/122922+Affidavit+-+Exhibit+A+-+Statement+of+Brett-Payne.pdf

JMO